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Jul 13, 2019 09:44:40   #
moldyoldy
 
The labeling of socialism is a scare tactic. All countries have socialism. We try to do what is best for society.
We thrive on capitalism which uses the infrastructure of socialism. Yet, we want to fight about labels that do not apply because we have hybrid systems.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:51:23   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Socialism is bad for one simple reason: One person or a minority of people decide for the whole country.

This is bad. Socialism cannot work without forcing people to abide by the minorities judgment. This is why I don't like it. People get forced to do things they would not normally do. In order for Socialism to work, the people need to be forced to abide by it.

In America, we are a Republican Democracy. Society drives the government, not the other way around. This could be called socialism with a great problem. The Democracy allows each member(citizen) to voice their opinion to drive the government. But the Republic, bounds the country to the rule of law. This is how our system works in its basic form.

Each citizen is a republic. Each community is thus another level of republic. and the States are a republic, and the Federal government is a republic. Only through the union of lower republics does the community, States, and Feds get their power.

Even though we are a Republic, we are also a Federalist system. The founders combined Socialism, Democracy, Republic, and Federalism into one unique country. Through the Constitution the system is bound together not with force, but through choice.

I am sure you red the Federalist papers, and the history how we go through the Ages, swinging the perpetual pedalium from conservative to liberal and back.

The country was liberal at their founding. They replaced the rule of England with a new country full of promise. As the years went on, through the freedom we have, the country drifted from liberal to conservative and back and forth.

The danger occured when the progressive movement read a book written by Carl Marx. His c*******t manifesto, embodied the extreme socialist, as c*******m. Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler knew that socialism will not work without support. Whereas, the United States works with or without support. That is the difference. Each American has the right to protest any idea they disagree with, and have their chance to persuade the public in dealings with themselves and other nations.

In a socialist state, the people are not the judge, not through the majority. Socialism, like Monarchies, have a very few with ultimate power that can last a lifetime. As far as the Presidency, it only lasts eight years. So the people can change the rules set by the president, and if they see fit, change them in a short period of time, where socialism has proven to fail due to the fact that they resist change.

Socialism has another problem. The other problem is in the quality of life. The wealth of the nation is squandered on the people, making the people dependant on the government. The people should never be dependant on their government because of one simple sin---greed. The lust for power and greed will destroy a socialist country. Evils would be covered up and eventually, Socialism would lead to a dictatorship, incidentally the same way a pure democracy will lead to the same.

Now, removing the need to excel in life, causes the human person to become dependant on the system. If the system fails then those who are dependant on the system also fails. Quality of life deteriorates into oblivion. However, if the people are challenged through their own free will, then the society flourishes in all things.

The failures of Socialism and Democracy comes from people becoming lazy and squandering their wealth. That is why our Republic has safeties in place to persuade the public through freedom to improve their situation.

Looking at Socialism, C*******m, Democracy and Republics, the question must be asked, "Where does the motivation of the people come from? The Government or the people?"

Under that understanding, does the farmer, force his plants to grow? Or does the farmer just give to the plant what the plant needs to grow? The plant decides how to grow, but the farmer restricts the plant in that growth. The farmer is thus acting like the government and the plant acts like society. In a country, the powers to be, have to make a decision. Do we rule from the top down, or the down, up?

If the Government drives the people, the people shall revolt.
If the People drives the Government, the country will flourish.

Freedom through the rule of law(Republic), established by the majority(Democracy), held together by a strong central government(Federalism), shall create an economic system(Capitalism) that will make wealth.

Socialism, C*******m, F*****m, Marxism, all move wealth throughout their country but never generates wealth. Wealth can only be generated if the individual does what is necessary, to provide for their personal prosperity. That prosperity of the single individual joins the prosperity of other individuals and the nation then generates wealth from the powers of the earth. In the other systems, a certain amount of wealth, is then passed to those who do not join in making that wealth. Then the wealth is squandered. Then the wealth runs dry. The lowest of the people first feel the loss of wealth then it goes to the most prosperous and the nation collapses.

C*******m only works if the community is bound by the same belief. The Roman Catholic Church which is separate from the nations practices this with democracy, however it does work because the Catholics are bound by not only the rule of law, and Republican systems, but also they share everything in a common even distribution of wealth. However, greed entered into the system, and that c*******m destroyed the point of the organization and doubt ran like an epidemic and people could not see the difference between dogma, belief, and organization. Not to mention the religion was based on faith, where reason supported that faith.

The American experiment was based on reason where faith supports that reason. Therefore, in a religious sense, c*******m works, but in a reason based system only democratic republics work.

Does this make sense? Because it is only the principles i wrote here. There is also another aspect of this, that is called the human person.
Socialism is bad for one simple reason: One person... (show quote)


Detailed and accurate. Well done, Ranger.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:55:25   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The labeling of socialism is a scare tactic.

No. It’s not. It’s despotism is marked in volumes of text.
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All countries have socialism. We try to do what is best for society.

Charity(ies) are far more effective producing far better results.
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We thrive on capitalism which uses the infrastructure of socialism.

Can you explain that? To me, that makes little to no sense.
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Yet, we want to fight about labels that do not apply because we have hybrid systems.

We didn’t start out like that, but thanks to F.D.R. this statement is more true than false.

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Jul 13, 2019 10:03:33   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
Reward them for treason.


I'm beginning to see the Deep State is totally convinced that Trump is the treasonous one violating their laws as they see them. We see the Deep State as treasonous, violating our laws as written by the Founders. We have two governments now, warring for supremacy, and it is difficult to see who is on the Founders' side. Seems to be few willing to stand up and fight for America, most content to sit back and hope for a position with whomever wins the battle.

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Jul 13, 2019 10:14:40   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I'm beginning to see the Deep State is totally convinced that Trump is the treasonous one violating their laws as they see them. We see the Deep State as treasonous, violating our laws as written by the Founders. We have two governments now, warring for supremacy, and it is difficult to see who is on the Founders' side. Seems to be few willing to stand up and fight for America, most content to sit back and hope for a position with whomever wins the battle.



Yes Sir, we're in a civil war. The c*******ts are almost unimpeded.

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Jul 13, 2019 10:31:59   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yes Sir, we're in a civil war. The c*******ts are almost unimpeded.


And they are many.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:26:48   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yes Sir, we're in a civil war. The c*******ts are almost unimpeded.


Indeed we are. The socialist democrat party is intent on destroying the Republic as we know it, thus changing it to their Utopian vision of everything free and the government takes care of your every need. Didn't work out too well in Cuba, now did it?

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Jul 13, 2019 11:47:29   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Indeed we are. The socialist democrat party is intent on destroying the Republic as we know it, thus changing it to their Utopian vision of everything free and the government takes care of your every need. Didn't work out too well in Cuba, now did it?


No, it didn't.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:49:12   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The labeling of socialism is a scare tactic. All countries have socialism. We try to do what is best for society.
We thrive on capitalism which uses the infrastructure of socialism. Yet, we want to fight about labels that do not apply because we have hybrid systems.


This quote is inaccurate, socialism uses the infrastructure of capitalism. For it is capitalism that creates wealth and socialism that redistributes that wealth. Capitalism came first.

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Jul 13, 2019 12:08:29   #
moldyoldy
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
We didn’t start out like that, but thanks to F.D.R. this statement is more true than false.


I see your problem, you look at everything through your lens of hatred

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Jul 13, 2019 12:29:35   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
moldyoldy wrote:
I see your problem, you look at everything through your lens of hatred


Yeah! You see everyone else's problem. Take a break from your r****t socialist hatred and look at yourself.

What and who you support is all evil.

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Jul 13, 2019 12:31:25   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
I see your problem, you look at everything through your lens of hatred


Lol... hatred!? Where’s the h**e?

I see your problem, when asked to explain something you said, you ignore it. Why is that?

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Jul 13, 2019 12:38:49   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Lol... hatred!? Where’s the h**e?

I see your problem, when asked to explain something you said, you ignore it. Why is that?


Be very careful, old molded will retrieve something from his coveted bible Snopes or his progressive lexicon Politico...he's very religious about not giving his own opinion unless it's h**e filled and slanderous.

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Jul 13, 2019 12:52:28   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
byronglimish wrote:
Be very careful, old molded will retrieve something from his coveted bible Snopes or his progressive lexicon Politico...he's very religious about not giving his own opinion unless it's h**e filled and slanderous.


Thank you, Byron. I actually wouldn’t mind where his explanation came from, providing something/anything, would make one appear more intelligent than ignoring someone’s inquiry. Even a h**e filled slanderous opinion would be something... I won’t be holding my breath though.

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Jul 13, 2019 13:06:53   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
moldyoldy wrote:
I see your problem, you look at everything through your lens of hatred


You know mold, you seem like a pretty bright guy, so that begs the question of me, why are you a liberal/progressive/socialist democrat? Many times, you post great thought provoking posts that gives me pause and objectively think about your subject. Most other times though you come out as a clueless lefty loon exhibiting your TDS affliction and abject Trump hatred. Try looking through your lens once in a while~

As far as hatred through my lens goes, there is little, with a few exception; I h**e hypocrisy, p********a, murders, rapists, r****m, c*******m and socialism to name a few. Even after suffering through 8 years of the halfricans reign, I never h**ed the man, simply his policies~

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