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Jul 12, 2019 21:07:19   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
(Continued from above)

The American journalist Louis Fisher, once an enthusiastic chronicler of Soviet economic advances, recounted how much the Soviet Union had changed: “Ubiquitous fear, amply justified by terror, had k**led revolt, silenced protest, and destroyed civil courage. In place of idealism, cynical safety-first. In place of dedication, pursuit of personal aggrandizement. In place of living spirit, dead conformism, bureaucratic formalism, and the parrotism of false clichés.”

So it was in the Soviet Union under Stalin; so it has been in every socialist experiment since the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. The Soviet-N**i agreement was the cracking point for many intellectuals in the West, including the American Louis Fisher, who accused Stalin of building an imperialistic militaristic system in which he is, and his successor will be, “the Supreme S***e Master.” How then, Fisher asked, can anyone interested in the welfare of people and the peace and progress of humanity support such a system? “Because there is rottenness in the democratic world?” he asked and answered, “We can fight the rottenness. What can Soviet citizens do about Stalinism?”

It took decades, but the citizens of all the nations behind the Iron Curtain finally threw off their chains in 1989, and wrote finis to Soviet c*******m. Tragically, there are still more than 1 billion people living today under the Marxist socialist regimes of China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos.

Socialism is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 million victims.

If you were asked how many Jews died in the Holocaust, you would probably respond, “Six million.” We learned the correct answer in our schools and universities, through the books and articles we have read, the movies and television programs we have watched, our conversations with families, friends, and colleagues. There is a continuing campaign to remind us of the Holocaust and to declare, “Never again.” And rightly so. The holocaust carried out by the N**is — their deliberate campaign of genocide — was the greatest evil of the 20th century.

But if you were asked, “How many victims of c*******m have there been?” You would probably hesitate and respond — “Five million? Twenty million? Fifty million?” Few of us would know the right answer: at least 100 million men, women, and children, more than all the deaths of all the major wars of the 20thcentury. C*******m committed the great crime of the last century.

It is a number difficult to comprehend, let alone accept. Surely, you might say, there could not have been that many. But we can be certain of saying that there have been at least 100 million victims of c*******m because of the painstaking research of the editors of The Black Book of C*******m, published by the Harvard University Press. They document that each and every Marxist socialist regime has prevailed by way of a pistol to the back of the head and a death sentence in a forced labor camp.

There is no exception whether in China under Mao Zedong, North Korea under Kim Il Sung, Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh, Cuba under Fidel Castro, Cambodia under Pol Pot, or Ethiopia under Mengistu Haile Mariam.

According to Stephane Courtois, the editor in chief of The Black Book of C*******m, the leading mass murderer is Pol Pot, whose attempt to communize Cambodia resulted in the deaths of one fourth of the country’s population. His closest rival is Mao, under whom as many as 40 million Chinese died in just one socialist campaign — the grossly misnamed Great Leap Forward. Of the Soviet Union’s first two dictators, Lenin and Stalin, Courtois says, “The blood turns cold at its venture into planned, logical and ‘politically collect’ mass slaughter.”

What price socialism? We must not limit ourselves to numbers.

The Chinese philosopher Lin Yutang listed the “little terrors” that prevailed in China — making children of 12 subject to capital punishment, sending women to work in underground coal mines, harassing workers during their lunchtime with threats of prison if they were late returning to work.

There were the costs in terror. One Soviet defector wrote about Soviet life: “We lived in a world swarming with invisible eyes and ears.”

There were the costs in thought control. The content of everything in print and broadcast was limited to authorized “t***hs.” The Soviet press dismissed the 1932-33 forced famine in Ukraine that took the lives of seven million innocents as an anti-c*******t myth. One Western apologist for the regime, Edouard Herr**t, wrote: “I have crossed the whole of Ukraine, and I can assure you that the entire country is like a garden in full bloom.”

There were the costs to the world. There was no crisis anywhere in the world from Southeast Asia to the Caribbean, from sub-Saharan Africa to the Middle East, in which the ideological ambitions of Moscow and its imitators, driven by Marxist-Leninist thought, were not involved throughout the 20th and into the 21st century.

This is the reality of socialism — a pseudo-religion grounded in pseudo-science and enforced by political tyranny. This is the case against socialism — a god that failed, a science that never was, a political system headed for the ash heap of history.”


By: Lee Edwards, Ph.D.

(He is Distinguished Fellow in Conservative Thought
Lee Edwards is a leading historian of American conservatism and the author or editor of 25 books.)

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Jul 12, 2019 21:22:20   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Nickolai wrote:
Conservatives cant read beyond little singular two letter words such as their favorite me, me, me, me, me Public education was invented in the US and copied around the world and supported by the citizenry and improved upon the US while movement conservatism has undermined it for the last 66 years


Let me know if you have any difficulties with the more than “little singular two letter words”....

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Jul 12, 2019 22:10:51   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Nickolai wrote:
In the great depression of the 1930's millions were joining the Socialist and C*******t parties and along with labor was brewing-- revolution FDR spoke with the economic elites and informed them that 28 million Americans had no visible means of support and since the capitalist couldn't or couldn't hire people the government needed to intervene to allieviate the human suffering. Some people along the eastern sea board were living on boiled dandelions. Top tax rates were raised to near 70 % and the government hired 15million men But the rich resented having to pay taxes to support stupid working men and after the war committed to destroying the Socialist and C*******t parties. With the aid of propaganda they wiped them out as Movement Conservatism began to rise and by 1962 were violating the tenants of the 1935 National Labor Relations Act
In the great depression of the 1930's millions wer... (show quote)


You sir are delusional Sir.. why in HELL would we capitulate to the c*******t Scourge that WE have been fighting.. I say your view is WAY the Fk off!..This country has been fighting c*******m since at Least Mc Carthy.. while he was a Bad man that ultimately started using his power to take on and slander folks that were NOT c*******t but that sympathized with them. and those that pissed him off.. I'd say he was accurate in tryin to beat down the c*******t sourge that has TRIED to take over our way of life!! I dont give a damn How old you are.. you look rather like an antique so I'll remind you.. we have fought the russians the germans and current c*******t leaning .. that think our f**g means bring all your tired n hungry.. guess what.. that was when the US thought they'd actually come to this country legally bc they want what we have and it DAMN sure is NOT what the Libtards in this country want.. we have fought against c*******ts since the 50s roughly.. get a grip.. don't give a s**t HOW old you are.. I have aunts that died with tatoo's on them.. survivors of the holocaust... and dont' forget the Armenians that were also slaughtered.. there really isn't that much of a spread between Socialism and C*******m t***h be told.. and it Sickens me.. to the point of Hurl.. I WOULD RATHER DIE ON MY FEET THAN LIVE ON MY KNEES!!!. I only hope I am dead before that BULLS**T gets here...its frankly too close for me!!.. why can't older I***TS get this.. we do NOT want to be Socialist or C*******t!!! get a freakin CLUE!!

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Jul 12, 2019 22:29:37   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Nickolai wrote:
Exploited by the US with economic sanctions to starve the people into giving up their President just as we did in cuba for 60 years


You sir are a fool!!! straight up.. do you NOT remember this country fighting against c*******m and do you KNOW how close c*******m and socialism are apart considering.. I am NOT sorry but I do NOT want my tax dollars to pay for a whore's a******n!!!>. sorry keep her freakin legs shut.. it is NOT my responsibility to Pay for her Fuckery!!..I do NOT want to pay for Freakin I******S I do NOT want to pay for those that do not want to work.. NOT MY FREAKIN JOB!! I want MY country Back.. not this I***T zone of Libtards messin with what is RIGHT!!... did not authorize this as a tax payer and if those I v**ed for can't figure that the hell out than I have NO need for their silly asses either!!

your an old guy.. how many wars has this country been involved in regarding c*******m.. let's see.. WW11 Korea, Viet Nam??? and NOW you old folks think C*******m is all good?? because it isn't that far a stretch between socialism and c*******m!! Bottom line YOU think that I should give the Gov't everything I have and let them dole it out as they see fit.. Fk and THAT!! ..

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Jul 12, 2019 22:34:44   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Larai wrote:
What's disturbing...My opinion, from what I've gathered around history, and current posts on this site and others, regarding s***ery.. is that Libs seem to think all white conservatives were s***e owners...meaning back during the civil war and before.. ancestors.. ffs!.. contrary to Hollywood not everyone could afford a s***e so if they were able to procur a s***e they damn sure didn't beat he/she.. back then the mentality for the poor, I'd no sooner beat this s***e than I would my favorite ox.. Also, folks need only look to africa.. samalia, haite etc.. that sold their own people into s***ery, the dutch east india company, otherwise known as "black birders" brought them here.. But yep.. pretty much the wealth of cities and countries was built on the backs of s***es..and Indentured servants..
What's disturbing...My opinion, from what I've gat... (show quote)

Egypt, Greece, Rome, Constantinople, any empire was built by s***es. Not a good thing, but humanity advanced with every empire. And all benefitted from their success. Same as today, planners, investors, engineers, and laborers. Nothing gets done without that.
And, today, because of the success of building empires, there are no s***es.

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Jul 12, 2019 22:35:46   #
Nickolai
 
4522chief wrote:
If our capitalist system is so screwed up,
how did we become the great country that we are and why do so many people want to come here? I am so sick and tired of people putting down our country.




It got that way through greed Capitalist imperialism exploiting s***e labor and land stolen from the aborigines then expansion into others territories and exploitation of Latin America imperialism through proxy wars propping up right wing dictators willing to k**l their own people on behalf of and making the world safe for Capitalism

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Jul 12, 2019 22:46:31   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Egypt, Greece, Rome, Constantinople, any empire was built by s***es. Not a good thing, but humanity advanced with every empire. And all benefitted from their success. Same as today, planners, investors, engineers, and laborers. Nothing gets done without that.
And, today, because of the success of building empires, there are no s***es.


Absolutely!

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Jul 12, 2019 22:49:55   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Nickolai wrote:
It got that way through greed Capitalist imperialism exploiting s***e labor and land stolen from the aborigines then expansion into others territories and exploitation of Latin America imperialism through proxy wars propping up right wing dictators willing to k**l their own people on behalf of and making the world safe for Capitalism


So you yearn for the aboriginal life?
Change happens violently by our lights, but the result is that the aboriginal ways are replaced by advancements.
You and Squaw Warren can live in a teepee, but I like my American modern energy guzzling house.
Dafuq is so great about living as a primitive or a Muslim?

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Jul 12, 2019 22:58:40   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
So you yearn for the aboriginal life?
Change happens violently by our lights, but the result is that the aboriginal ways are replaced by advancements.
You and Squaw Warren can live in a teepee, but I like my American modern energy guzzling house.
Dafuq is so great about living as a primitive or a Muslim?


I LOVE my toyota 4runner. I get 25 mpg on the highway.. and don't have to plug my car into a charging station.. OH YEAH and by the way.. you have to plug them into wait..you guessed it.. an ELECTRICAL charging station. so hypocrisy abounds Liberals don't want to use fosil fuel but that is what charges their sweet little hybrid cars.. brought to you by OPEC!!!.. ROLLS MY EYES!! YEA I guess you could say that i've had it with the Libtard brigade and their bulls**t!!

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Jul 12, 2019 23:05:24   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Larai wrote:
I LOVE my toyota 4runner. I get 25 mpg on the highway.. and don't have to plug my car into a charging station.. OH YEAH and by the way.. you have to plug them into wait..you guessed it.. an ELECTRICAL charging station. so hypocrisy abounds Liberals don't want to use fosil fuel but that is what charges their sweet little hybrid cars.. brought to you by OPEC!!!.. ROLLS MY EYES!! YEA I guess you could say that i've had it with the Libtard brigade and their bulls**t!!


Toured the Airstream Mobile Home plant today.
What a slice of America. 100% American made.
Until gasoline is replaced by a more efficient fuel, I will drive my gas hog luxo cruisers until I decide that I want something else.
Maybe even buy a motor home for kicks.

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Jul 12, 2019 23:11:18   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Toured the Airstream Mobile Home plant today.
What a slice of America. 100% American made.
Until gasoline is replaced by a more efficient fuel, I will drive my gas hog luxo cruisers until I decide that I want something else.
Maybe even buy a motor home for kicks.


Right On..!!!

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Jul 12, 2019 23:13:45   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
David Seaman wrote:
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really: I’m interested in hearing what you fear or like about it. Public Schools are good, right? Public Works- road maintenance, parks, electric. And public service like police and fire, courts, tax assessors- all of it to support We The People. And the places that privatized public services screwed us. The Prison system is the perfect example.
But we *are* a socialist country. The root word, social, refers to Society. We are tribal people. We do not do well on our own- isolated. And the US hasn’t fought an honest war since 1945. I have so many younger friends who enlisted and served tour after tour in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some died there, others died after they returned. What does the Middle East War (2003 -present) have to do with our way of life? What were my friends fighting for?
I seriously welcome the opportunity to learn from you; to share our ideas.
Let’s start with “socialist.” For 17 of my 32 years working I taught public school. I served the public. I’ve been in the trenches of service to my country. Instead of a rifle I carried a baton, lesson plans, and an iPod. But service just the same.
Are services that benefit the whole society a bad thing or a good thing and how are we defining “social”?
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really... (show quote)


Socialism is bad for one simple reason: One person or a minority of people decide for the whole country.

This is bad. Socialism cannot work without forcing people to abide by the minorities judgment. This is why I don't like it. People get forced to do things they would not normally do. In order for Socialism to work, the people need to be forced to abide by it.

In America, we are a Republican Democracy. Society drives the government, not the other way around. This could be called socialism with a great problem. The Democracy allows each member(citizen) to voice their opinion to drive the government. But the Republic, bounds the country to the rule of law. This is how our system works in its basic form.

Each citizen is a republic. Each community is thus another level of republic. and the States are a republic, and the Federal government is a republic. Only through the union of lower republics does the community, States, and Feds get their power.

Even though we are a Republic, we are also a Federalist system. The founders combined Socialism, Democracy, Republic, and Federalism into one unique country. Through the Constitution the system is bound together not with force, but through choice.

I am sure you red the Federalist papers, and the history how we go through the Ages, swinging the perpetual pedalium from conservative to liberal and back.

The country was liberal at their founding. They replaced the rule of England with a new country full of promise. As the years went on, through the freedom we have, the country drifted from liberal to conservative and back and forth.

The danger occured when the progressive movement read a book written by Carl Marx. His c*******t manifesto, embodied the extreme socialist, as c*******m. Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler knew that socialism will not work without support. Whereas, the United States works with or without support. That is the difference. Each American has the right to protest any idea they disagree with, and have their chance to persuade the public in dealings with themselves and other nations.

In a socialist state, the people are not the judge, not through the majority. Socialism, like Monarchies, have a very few with ultimate power that can last a lifetime. As far as the Presidency, it only lasts eight years. So the people can change the rules set by the president, and if they see fit, change them in a short period of time, where socialism has proven to fail due to the fact that they resist change.

Socialism has another problem. The other problem is in the quality of life. The wealth of the nation is squandered on the people, making the people dependant on the government. The people should never be dependant on their government because of one simple sin---greed. The lust for power and greed will destroy a socialist country. Evils would be covered up and eventually, Socialism would lead to a dictatorship, incidentally the same way a pure democracy will lead to the same.

Now, removing the need to excel in life, causes the human person to become dependant on the system. If the system fails then those who are dependant on the system also fails. Quality of life deteriorates into oblivion. However, if the people are challenged through their own free will, then the society flourishes in all things.

The failures of Socialism and Democracy comes from people becoming lazy and squandering their wealth. That is why our Republic has safeties in place to persuade the public through freedom to improve their situation.

Looking at Socialism, C*******m, Democracy and Republics, the question must be asked, "Where does the motivation of the people come from? The Government or the people?"

Under that understanding, does the farmer, force his plants to grow? Or does the farmer just give to the plant what the plant needs to grow? The plant decides how to grow, but the farmer restricts the plant in that growth. The farmer is thus acting like the government and the plant acts like society. In a country, the powers to be, have to make a decision. Do we rule from the top down, or the down, up?

If the Government drives the people, the people shall revolt.
If the People drives the Government, the country will flourish.

Freedom through the rule of law(Republic), established by the majority(Democracy), held together by a strong central government(Federalism), shall create an economic system(Capitalism) that will make wealth.

Socialism, C*******m, F*****m, Marxism, all move wealth throughout their country but never generates wealth. Wealth can only be generated if the individual does what is necessary, to provide for their personal prosperity. That prosperity of the single individual joins the prosperity of other individuals and the nation then generates wealth from the powers of the earth. In the other systems, a certain amount of wealth, is then passed to those who do not join in making that wealth. Then the wealth is squandered. Then the wealth runs dry. The lowest of the people first feel the loss of wealth then it goes to the most prosperous and the nation collapses.

C*******m only works if the community is bound by the same belief. The Roman Catholic Church which is separate from the nations practices this with democracy, however it does work because the Catholics are bound by not only the rule of law, and Republican systems, but also they share everything in a common even distribution of wealth. However, greed entered into the system, and that c*******m destroyed the point of the organization and doubt ran like an epidemic and people could not see the difference between dogma, belief, and organization. Not to mention the religion was based on faith, where reason supported that faith.

The American experiment was based on reason where faith supports that reason. Therefore, in a religious sense, c*******m works, but in a reason based system only democratic republics work.

Does this make sense? Because it is only the principles i wrote here. There is also another aspect of this, that is called the human person.

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Jul 12, 2019 23:55:56   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Socialism is bad for one simple reason: One person or a minority of people decide for the whole country.

This is bad. Socialism cannot work without forcing people to abide by the minorities judgment. This is why I don't like it. People get forced to do things they would not normally do. In order for Socialism to work, the people need to be forced to abide by it.

In America, we are a Republican Democracy. Society drives the government, not the other way around. This could be called socialism with a great problem. The Democracy allows each member(citizen) to voice their opinion to drive the government. But the Republic, bounds the country to the rule of law. This is how our system works in its basic form.

Each citizen is a republic. Each community is thus another level of republic. and the States are a republic, and the Federal government is a republic. Only through the union of lower republics does the community, States, and Feds get their power.

Even though we are a Republic, we are also a Federalist system. The founders combined Socialism, Democracy, Republic, and Federalism into one unique country. Through the Constitution the system is bound together not with force, but through choice.

I am sure you red the Federalist papers, and the history how we go through the Ages, swinging the perpetual pedalium from conservative to liberal and back.

The country was liberal at their founding. They replaced the rule of England with a new country full of promise. As the years went on, through the freedom we have, the country drifted from liberal to conservative and back and forth.

The danger occured when the progressive movement read a book written by Carl Marx. His c*******t manifesto, embodied the extreme socialist, as c*******m. Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler knew that socialism will not work without support. Whereas, the United States works with or without support. That is the difference. Each American has the right to protest any idea they disagree with, and have their chance to persuade the public in dealings with themselves and other nations.

In a socialist state, the people are not the judge, not through the majority. Socialism, like Monarchies, have a very few with ultimate power that can last a lifetime. As far as the Presidency, it only lasts eight years. So the people can change the rules set by the president, and if they see fit, change them in a short period of time, where socialism has proven to fail due to the fact that they resist change.

Socialism has another problem. The other problem is in the quality of life. The wealth of the nation is squandered on the people, making the people dependant on the government. The people should never be dependant on their government because of one simple sin---greed. The lust for power and greed will destroy a socialist country. Evils would be covered up and eventually, Socialism would lead to a dictatorship, incidentally the same way a pure democracy will lead to the same.

Now, removing the need to excel in life, causes the human person to become dependant on the system. If the system fails then those who are dependant on the system also fails. Quality of life deteriorates into oblivion. However, if the people are challenged through their own free will, then the society flourishes in all things.

The failures of Socialism and Democracy comes from people becoming lazy and squandering their wealth. That is why our Republic has safeties in place to persuade the public through freedom to improve their situation.

Looking at Socialism, C*******m, Democracy and Republics, the question must be asked, "Where does the motivation of the people come from? The Government or the people?"

Under that understanding, does the farmer, force his plants to grow? Or does the farmer just give to the plant what the plant needs to grow? The plant decides how to grow, but the farmer restricts the plant in that growth. The farmer is thus acting like the government and the plant acts like society. In a country, the powers to be, have to make a decision. Do we rule from the top down, or the down, up?

If the Government drives the people, the people shall revolt.
If the People drives the Government, the country will flourish.

Freedom through the rule of law(Republic), established by the majority(Democracy), held together by a strong central government(Federalism), shall create an economic system(Capitalism) that will make wealth.

Socialism, C*******m, F*****m, Marxism, all move wealth throughout their country but never generates wealth. Wealth can only be generated if the individual does what is necessary, to provide for their personal prosperity. That prosperity of the single individual joins the prosperity of other individuals and the nation then generates wealth from the powers of the earth. In the other systems, a certain amount of wealth, is then passed to those who do not join in making that wealth. Then the wealth is squandered. Then the wealth runs dry. The lowest of the people first feel the loss of wealth then it goes to the most prosperous and the nation collapses.

C*******m only works if the community is bound by the same belief. The Roman Catholic Church which is separate from the nations practices this with democracy, however it does work because the Catholics are bound by not only the rule of law, and Republican systems, but also they share everything in a common even distribution of wealth. However, greed entered into the system, and that c*******m destroyed the point of the organization and doubt ran like an epidemic and people could not see the difference between dogma, belief, and organization. Not to mention the religion was based on faith, where reason supported that faith.

The American experiment was based on reason where faith supports that reason. Therefore, in a religious sense, c*******m works, but in a reason based system only democratic republics work.

Does this make sense? Because it is only the principles i wrote here. There is also another aspect of this, that is called the human person.
Socialism is bad for one simple reason: One person... (show quote)



The Socialists/C*******t party is currently working overtime trying to o*******w our Republic. They are known as the Deep State.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:10:29   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
The Socialists/C*******t party is currently working overtime trying to o*******w our Republic. They are known as the Deep State.


The Deep State must have already been assured of being the powers at the top of the borderless one government world with Islam as the policing force that the lefties dream about.
With America and Russia and Israel as sovereign nuclear powers, their dream is impossible.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:24:12   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
The Deep State must have already been assured of being the powers at the top of the borderless one government world with Islam as the policing force that the lefties dream about.
With America and Russia and Israel as sovereign nuclear powers, their dream is impossible.


Reward them for treason.

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