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Jul 9, 2019 14:58:06   #
proud republican (a regular here)
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Having a question about US citizenship in the census does not change the number of people in America. No one said that if you were not an American citizen, you would not be counted. However, financial planning is different when figuring out what the country needs to allow for its citizens, as against finances necessary for the people who are here legally but not citizens, and the illegal invaders do not deserve the same services. The first foolish move was to provide medical care, education, housing and food for those law breakers without requiring anything in return, and not even limiting those gifts to a short period while arrangements are being made to return them to the country from wence they came.
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All good points,NPP!!!

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Jul 9, 2019 15:08:51   #
no propaganda please (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
All good points,NPP!!!


Thank you. By the way NPP is doing better, the lunge infection is almost gone and he will be back to posting probably tomorrow.That will give me time to harvest melons and peas before the rabbits eat them all.

SWMBO

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Jul 9, 2019 15:18:07   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Having a question about US citizenship in the census does not change the number of people in America. No one said that if you were not an American citizen, you would not be counted. However, financial planning is different when figuring out what the country needs to allow for its citizens, as against finances necessary for the people who are here legally but not citizens, and the illegal invaders do not deserve the same services. The first foolish move was to provide medical care, education, housing and food for those law breakers without requiring anything in return, and not even limiting those gifts to a short period while arrangements are being made to return them to the country from wence they came.
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Spot on...

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Jul 9, 2019 15:19:04   #
Carol Kelly (a regular here)
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Having a question about US citizenship in the census does not change the number of people in America. No one said that if you were not an American citizen, you would not be counted. However, financial planning is different when figuring out what the country needs to allow for its citizens, as against finances necessary for the people who are here legally but not citizens, and the illegal invaders do not deserve the same services. The first foolish move was to provide medical care, education, housing and food for those law breakers without requiring anything in return, and not even limiting those gifts to a short period while arrangements are being made to return them to the country from wence they came.
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Wish I’d said that

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Jul 9, 2019 15:19:54   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Wish I’d said that


Me too~

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Jul 9, 2019 15:56:52   #
sisboombaa
 
To all posters

What is the big deal about this census question? It could serve no purpose unless it is answered honestly. Honesty is in short supply from what I see. Also an illegal immigrant does not have to reply to any census. Will the census form include a definition of what "citizen" is? Will it include natural born, green card, temporary visa, etc.? How many more questions will be added over the years and for what reason? Will the government change the need for a 10 year census to a 1 year census? One wonders.

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Jul 9, 2019 20:40:42   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
Why is asking if you are a Citizen of the United States is racist????.....Only in America!!! You go to any other country and ask if you are a citizen of this country...and its a no big deal...I bet if it was obama who would of asked this question,there would be no problem...Sick!!!..It's not about illegal aliens who should not be in this country in the first place..Its about President Trump asking this question..and Dems trying to undermine his Presidency!!!..Sick!!!!
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And why must it be eliminated for being racist while these questions are not.
*What is this person’s ancestry or ethnic origin?
*What is this person’s race?
*Is this person Spanish/Hispanic/Latino?
*a. Does this person speak a language other than English at home?
Yes
No → Skip to 12
b. What is this language?
c. How well does this person speak English?
*Where was this person born?
In the United States — Print name of state.
Outside the United States — Print name of foreign country, or Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.
*When did this person come to live in the United States? Print numbers in boxes.

None of these questions were eliminated. If the issue were racism, wouldn't asking your race qualify more as racism than asking if you are a citizen?

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Jul 9, 2019 20:45:10   #
proud republican (a regular here)
 
JoyV wrote:
And why must it be eliminated for being racist while these questions are not.
*What is this person’s ancestry or ethnic origin?
*What is this person’s race?
*Is this person Spanish/Hispanic/Latino?
*a. Does this person speak a language other than English at home?
Yes
No → Skip to 12
b. What is this language?
c. How well does this person speak English?
*Where was this person born?
In the United States — Print name of state.
Outside the United States — Print name of foreign country, or Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.
*When did this person come to live in the United States? Print numbers in boxes.

None of these questions were eliminated. If the issue were racism, wouldn't asking your race qualify more as racism than asking if you are a citizen?
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Agree!!!!!

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Jul 9, 2019 20:46:28   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
The purpose of the census is to count everyone living in the U.S. as accurately as possible without regard to citizenship, eligibility to vote or documentation. The citizenship question was very specifically designed with the express purpose of reducing the accuracy of the census to meet political goals. As far as it being racist the documents from the top republican redistricting strategist specifically mentions that rigging it with the citizenship question would disadvantage people of color and advantage non Hispanic whites. How is that not racist?
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Rigged? So the census has always been rigged and Obama was the first one to ever notice and UNrig it?

How can it disadvantage people of color who are citizens?

And how can asking your race be acceptable to those crying racism, yet asking if you are a citizen be racist?

And no. The census is used for far more than simply knowing how many people are living in the country. If that were all it was, there would be no need for all the myriad questions asked.

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Jul 9, 2019 20:55:09   #
proud republican (a regular here)
 
JoyV wrote:
Rigged? So the census has always been rigged and Obama was the first one to ever notice and UNrig it?

How can it disadvantage people of color who are citizens?

And how can asking your race be acceptable to those crying racism, yet asking if you are a citizen be racist?

And no. The census is used for far more than simply knowing how many people are living in the country. If that were all it was, there would be no need for all the myriad questions asked.


These people are totally nuts!!!...I have never seen people who hate America more,then today's Democratic Party..Kind of sad to see yesterday's Democratic Party to disappear....

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Jul 9, 2019 21:06:50   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
https://amac.us/census-must-abide-constitution-asking-citizenship-key/


Although Article I, Section 2 does not specify that it is citizens which must be counted; it does specify that this will be used to determine each state's representation in the House of Representatives. Since only citizens can vote, it is logical to conclude the enumeration was to count citizens in each state.

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. "

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Jul 9, 2019 21:07:31   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
Bullosi said the stupidest thing about Citizenship question.."Trump wants to make America white again" as though only white people are citizens of the United States...So dumb!!!!!....
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So dumb AND so RACIST!

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Jul 9, 2019 21:11:57   #
proud republican (a regular here)
 
JoyV wrote:
So dumb AND so RACIST!


Her whole new Democratic Party is becoming racist and dumb!!!

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Jul 9, 2019 21:15:12   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
The citizenship question was included on the 1950,1970, 1980, 1990, and 2000 census. Why is it a problem now? Because in the past ten years there has been such a huge increase in wetbacks and nearly 3 million anchor babies born to those wetbacks.
Here is an example of what happens when incarcertated prisoners are counted in a census. How they affect the results.
https://www.facingsouth.org/2009/09/prisoners-of-the-census-how-the-incarcerated-are-counted-distorts-our-politics.html


This statement, "Less well reported is the way the census counts prisoners, which results in political distortions that undermine the principle of one person, one vote." shows the fallacy many are taught in schools. Our country was NOT set up for mob rule. There is NO American principle of one person, one vote! At least not at the national level. That would make us a democracy instead of a republic.

But other than that blunder, the reasoning in the article is sound.

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Jul 9, 2019 21:26:20   #
JoyV (a regular here)
 
sisboombaa wrote:
To all posters

What is the big deal about this census question? It could serve no purpose unless it is answered honestly. Honesty is in short supply from what I see. Also an illegal immigrant does not have to reply to any census. Will the census form include a definition of what "citizen" is? Will it include natural born, green card, temporary visa, etc.? How many more questions will be added over the years and for what reason? Will the government change the need for a 10 year census to a 1 year census? One wonders.
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What is a citizen is very clear defined by our constitution. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

This question is not being added. It is being reinstituted. It is not a new question!

Why would a citizen not answer the question honestly? The constitutional purpose of the census is an enumeration for the purpose of choosing how many representative seats a state gets. For that, we only need an accurate count of citizens. Over the years, many other purposes have been put to the census. But the only purpose required by our constitution is, how many citizens in each state to determine how many seats each state is entitled to in the House of Representatives. So if illegals avoid the census, it won't harm our governing process.

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