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Jul 10, 2019 12:19:25   #
jeff smith
 
permafrost wrote:
Yep, that knock out approval rating is in the mid forty range..

The big reason now for trump to stay in office is, as you say, no indictment of a sitting presdient..

So he indeed wants to keep sitting.. safe..

When he get to be a private citizen, he has some hefty charge to look forward toward..

Do you think he can buy his way out and he has so many time?

Do you think the Epstein indictment will affect that ginormous approval???

I don't know . but I think your full of _________ .

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Jul 10, 2019 12:23:32   #
jeff smith
 
permafrost wrote:


this has been reported quite some time ago . it was suppose to be for Billies , "speech" while in Russia . ----- maybe Russian collusion , on the Clinton side ? or should I say , more Russian collusion on the Clinton , side .

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Jul 10, 2019 12:48:30   #
jeff smith
 
PeterS wrote:
1) Where did Russia donate $145,600,000 to the Clinton Foundation? What was the name of the individual who donated it (the name is public record and given on Fox news) and what proof do you have that he was Russian or associated with the Russian government?

2) And the only way "THEY" can be after you is if you are so intertwined with Trump that there is a separation between the two...

3) Russia spent tens of millions trying to influence the American public to v**e for Donald Trump. Donations can be given as a service and not directly as monies...

You are blowing smoke out of your ass based on the amount of propaganda that you are fed each day.
1) Where did Russia donate $145,600,000 to the Cli... (show quote)

Russia , put out info for both Trump and Clinton , to cause as much division as possible . not to help one or the other but to create chaos and division within the American people . - they did not care who won just divide to concur . wasn't it Stallen , after WW2 who said "we will take America without firing a shot ". seems to me that they are still at it . //////////// just because a liberal bimbocrate propaganda "news" machine , does not tell you something does not mean it isn't true . your "news" agencies only tell you what the bimbocratic leadership want them to tell you . , it's just another way they have to manipulate as many as they can into believing that President Trump , is a danger to America . when the only ones he may be a danger to are the swamp rats being either rino. or dem. , who are working for their buddies instead of working for America . //// at the end of the movie "Man of the Year" with Robin Williams , goes something like this " what do politicians and baby diapers have in common ? -- they both need to be changed a lot " I think it is well past time to put term limits on congressional seats .

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Jul 10, 2019 13:32:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
If you mean your version of "good for the country" is L.A., S.F., Chi and DeBlasio's N.Y., high taxes and higher unemployment, legally restricted speech, a system that weaponizes it's taxation and law enforcement agencies against political opposition, confiscation of my firearms, high murder rates and slander-based disrespect for police officers, a "come one, come all" open borders policy and "free" everything for everybody on the taxpayer's hard-earned dinero, thanks for offering, but no.

I'll take what President Trump is offering any day of the week. 😎
If you mean your version of "good for the cou... (show quote)



Where in the heck do you people find the thing you post???

Not a bit of reality..

You say cities are bad? that is because most people live in them..Look up all your claims as "per capita" figures and you find little difference across the nation..

withholding the rights of any part of our society will weaken the nation itself overtime and the orange thing has every intent of doing just that..

Nixon invented the IRS intimidation..

Open borders is not a Democrat policy..

FYI, open borders did work wonders for Ireland and Northern Ireland.. that became a major problem with UK leaving the EU..

trump is offering you a life time of working to pay the tax gift to himself and the very rich..

Living as a 3rd world peasant will be your normal. and that of your kid and grand kids..



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Jul 10, 2019 13:41:39   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
Where in the heck do you people find the thing you post???

Not a bit of reality..

You say cities are bad? that is because most people live in them..Look up all your claims as "per capita" figures and you find little difference across the nation..

withholding the rights of any part of our society will weaken the nation itself overtime and the orange thing has every intent of doing just that..

Nixon invented the IRS intimidation..

Open borders is not a Democrat policy..

FYI, open borders did work wonders for Ireland and Northern Ireland.. that became a major problem with UK leaving the EU..

trump is offering you a life time of working to pay the tax gift to himself and the very rich..

Living as a 3rd world peasant will be your normal. and that of your kid and grand kids..
Where in the heck do you people find the thing you... (show quote)


It seems that the only people, for example, who are censored on "progressive" run social media are conservatives.

It seems that the only people whose speech invitations on campuses invoke disruption, r**ting, arson, without much, if any, objections from faculty are conservatives.

It seems the only people clubbed down by A****a at peaceful demonstrations are conservatives.

Now, imagine how much freedom of speech we conservatives would have in the sort of totalitarian state your kind of politics always,no matter what, 100% leads to.

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Jul 10, 2019 14:53:40   #
jeff smith
 
permafrost wrote:
Where in the heck do you people find the thing you post???

Not a bit of reality..

You say cities are bad? that is because most people live in them..Look up all your claims as "per capita" figures and you find little difference across the nation..

withholding the rights of any part of our society will weaken the nation itself overtime and the orange thing has every intent of doing just that..

Nixon invented the IRS intimidation..

Open borders is not a Democrat policy..

FYI, open borders did work wonders for Ireland and Northern Ireland.. that became a major problem with UK leaving the EU..

trump is offering you a life time of working to pay the tax gift to himself and the very rich..

Living as a 3rd world peasant will be your normal. and that of your kid and grand kids..
Where in the heck do you people find the thing you... (show quote)


sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy , then the Kennadys . long before Nixon . ------ as for the tax cut for corp. America , he also took away some of their deductions . I know of this because I have lost some of the deductions that I use to have . there was also a tax break for working people , although temporary , there is legislation in progress to make it permanent. yet as usual the bimbocratic leadership is putting the brakes on that also . any thing they can do to make it difficult for President Trump , to fullfil his campaign promises . the bimbocratic leaders have taken a line from Hitlar, when he was dictating his manifesto , " if you tell a big enough lie enough they will believe " --------how did open boarders help Ireland? ------ living as a third world peasant? well this will surely happen of the dem. campaigners get the white house back . especially if they control the house and senate . watch out America the socialist want to have a take over to DESTROY AMERICA . then we will be living as third world peasants .

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Jul 10, 2019 15:12:10   #
herbie
 
jeff smith wrote:
sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy , then the Kennadys . long before Nixon . ------ as for the tax cut for corp. America , he also took away some of their deductions . I know of this because I have lost some of the deductions that I use to have . there was also a tax break for working people , although temporary , there is legislation in progress to make it permanent. yet as usual the bimbocratic leadership is putting the brakes on that also . any thing they can do to make it difficult for President Trump , to fullfil his campaign promises . the bimbocratic leaders have taken a line from Hitlar, when he was dictating his manifesto , " if you tell a big enough lie enough they will believe " --------how did open boarders help Ireland? ------ living as a third world peasant? well this will surely happen of the dem. campaigners get the white house back . especially if they control the house and senate . watch out America the socialist want to have a take over to DESTROY AMERICA . then we will be living as third world peasants .
sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy... (show quote)


OK it was not the democrats that just gave the top 1% a tax break and not the working class people, it was Trump

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Jul 10, 2019 15:24:35   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
PeterS wrote:
It's conservative's who run around claiming to be the moral majority, claiming to be the most ethical and religiously devout. As part of this, you prosecuted for impeachment a president who lied about having a sexual relationship with an intern. The double standard isn't held by Democrats but by Conservatives who completely disregarded their 'supposed' belief system purely for the prospect of political expediency. Trump admitted to c***ting on every wife he ever had and you didn't care. Trump was caught paying off two of his mistresses and you didn't care. Twenty women have come forward to say that Trump molested them or raped them and you didn't care. Trump screwed banks, contractors, and even his employees while going bankrupt time after time and you don't care.

So long as Trump gives you what you want you don't care about his behavior. He can be completely corrupt in his actions and you don't care.

Democrats don't have a double standard you do and you insist that your representatives enforce it otherwise you will work to v**e them out of office. The irony of this is that the danger of direct democracy is that a majority will impose their will regardless of the common good. This is what you are working for instead of allowing your representatives to work for the good of the country. So the irony of ironies you have become that which you say you are terrified of.
It's conservative's who run around claiming to be ... (show quote)


No, the dems don't have a double standard. Triple or quadruple is more like it. There areDemocrats like Doug Schoen, the kind I grew up with. Then the pathological Clintons who have been known to k**l those who displease them. Or the AOCs. God help her with all the judicial problems that she is facing. Sanders let's face it, just a bitter old man who will screw whoever he can. How do you think he came by his car and house? The useful tools aka supporters from last go 'round. They haven't seemed to learn. All snowflakes haven't learned that socialism is c*******m for the learning impaired. Oh and all those drawing parallels between Trump and Hitler. I'll make it very easy for you. Hitler tyrant, displease him even the slightest and you'd be shot. No court, no presumption of innocence (sound familiar?) DEAD!!! A little like a****a, only thing is, they have bullseyes on their backs.

Terrified of something? Many of us love this country but not the government. No, it's been easily 50 years since we were represented in Congress or the Senate. The same holds true for you if you stop long enough to see it.

After the crime spree of the porch monkey, Clinton, Holder well all of the administration, Trump is righting the country. You do know that we were heading for WWIII and a depression? Had Hillary been elected we would have been months in. That may mean the earth would have been destroyed.

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Jul 10, 2019 17:53:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
It seems that the only people, for example, who are censored on "progressive" run social media are conservatives.

It seems that the only people whose speech invitations on campuses invoke disruption, r**ting, arson, without much, if any, objections from faculty are conservatives.

It seems the only people clubbed down by A****a at peaceful demonstrations are conservatives.

Now, imagine how much freedom of speech we conservatives would have in the sort of totalitarian state your kind of politics always,no matter what, 100% leads to.
It seems that the only people, for example, who ar... (show quote)




gee,

So I have to pay more attention to social media and go on campus so i can make a comment on what you tell me is going on.. never heard it other then canceling h**e speech and the event in California 2 years ago.. I must be so behind..

Your comment on A****a i find surprising considering all the times video of right wing thugs punching out a****a demonstrators have gleefully been posted on OPP.

Your rights are very important and will always be supported by Democrats and with the help of the ACLU and other groups we will see that they are not violated..

Equal right for all are part of our platform..

The only totalitarian state being pursued in this nation is the orange one desired by the orange con man..



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Jul 10, 2019 18:11:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jeff smith wrote:
sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy , then the Kennadys . long before Nixon . ------ as for the tax cut for corp. America , he also took away some of their deductions . I know of this because I have lost some of the deductions that I use to have . there was also a tax break for working people , although temporary , there is legislation in progress to make it permanent. yet as usual the bimbocratic leadership is putting the brakes on that also . any thing they can do to make it difficult for President Trump , to fullfil his campaign promises . the bimbocratic leaders have taken a line from Hitlar, when he was dictating his manifesto , " if you tell a big enough lie enough they will believe " --------how did open boarders help Ireland? ------ living as a third world peasant? well this will surely happen of the dem. campaigners get the white house back . especially if they control the house and senate . watch out America the socialist want to have a take over to DESTROY AMERICA . then we will be living as third world peasants .
sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy... (show quote)


read this from wiki,,, seem much ado if the target is one "us" and no mention if the target is one of "them"

Nixon
Main article: Watergate scandal
In 1974, a Bill of Impeachment against President Richard Nixon was approved by the House Judiciary Committee that included charges that his administration attempted to use the IRS in a discriminatory manner:

RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours...
Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States...
He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to... cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.[7

G. W. Bush
The NAACP was audited in 2004 after its chairman criticized then-President George W. Bush for failing to address the group, becoming the first president to do so since Herbert Hoover.[9] The IRS informed the NAACP that the audit was prompted by then-NAACP-chairman Julian Bond's speech, which "condemned the administration policies of George W. Bush on education, the economy and the war in Iraq."[10] Although the IRS maintained that the audit was an attempt to determine whether the NAACP had involved itself in a political campaign, the NAACP and Democratic Party representatives characterized the audit as an attempt to stifle criticism of Bush, intimidate NAACP members, and harm the NAACP's get-out-the-v**e campaign.[9][10]

According to the Huffington Post in 2004, the Wall Street Journal reported that the IRS audited the liberal group Greenpeace at the request of Public Interest Watch, a group funded by Exxon-Mobil. [11] Exxon-Mobil said it was not aware of the IRS audit, nor did it have a role in initiating the audit.[12]

According to the Tampa Bay Times PolitiFact the allegation that the IRS during the Bush Administration targeted liberal groups is "Mostly False".[13]

Obama
Main article: IRS targeting controversy
In May 2013, the IRS admitted it had subjected conservative political groups to closer scrutiny in their applications for tax-exempt status based on particular keywords in their names. The agency has maintained that low-level employees took it upon themselves to do this. However, Republicans argue that the refusal of Lois Lerner (at the time was Director of the IRS's Exempt Organizations Unit) to testify before Congress, twice citing her Constitutional right against self-incrimination, suggests involvement by higher-level employees. An internal report by the agency's Inspector General cited "ineffective management" as the cause and indicated that the IRS "will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future." [14] Congress continues to investigate the possibility that Lerner or other high-level officials were involved in improper political targeting. Republican lawmakers say the IRS has improperly withheld and destroyed evidence, while Democrats argue that Republicans are attempting to keep the controversy alive for political purposes.

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Jul 10, 2019 18:31:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jeff smith wrote:
sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy , then the Kennadys . long before Nixon . ------ as for the tax cut for corp. America , he also took away some of their deductions . I know of this because I have lost some of the deductions that I use to have . there was also a tax break for working people , although temporary , there is legislation in progress to make it permanent. yet as usual the bimbocratic leadership is putting the brakes on that also . any thing they can do to make it difficult for President Trump , to fullfil his campaign promises . the bimbocratic leaders have taken a line from Hitlar, when he was dictating his manifesto , " if you tell a big enough lie enough they will believe " --------how did open boarders help Ireland? ------ living as a third world peasant? well this will surely happen of the dem. campaigners get the white house back . especially if they control the house and senate . watch out America the socialist want to have a take over to DESTROY AMERICA . then we will be living as third world peasants .
sorry perafrost . the IRS sceem started with Teddy... (show quote)


Not going to do volumes of writing to show each part of the tax bill. it was written for the very rich, the orange guy got a section all for real estate developers. only 2 temps for big money.. bring off shore money to this country was one of them.

Don`t you just love that pending pending legislation stuff.. good luck on that..

"fulfill his promises"... such a chuckle.... so much he takes a cheer for is nothing..

Look at the NAFTA agreement.. not sure it has passed yet.. but he changed nearly nothing but the name.. now he wants a head on Mount Rushmore for none accomplishment..

Ireland... ok, you must know about the long war which came down to Catholic vs Protestant..

that being English vs Irish..

the nation came to be the 2 nation per religious view..

But they had to trade to have an economy..

When the EU got going, the border between the nations was opened. they now went back and forth at will.
No paper work, passports licence etc.. maybe Id stuff.. both counties did very well, the war stopped early on..

Only on of those countries went along with BREXIT.. the other stayed with the EU..

So the original biggest problem was how the nation could continue with the mutual economy..

When this is a done deal they will need all the passport, documents from the old days unless an agreement could be reached..

So that was the original stumbling block of the action which cost the PM her job.. and still goes on.

Biggest lie...LOL that has been the republican tactic for decades. 20 years spent lying about lady Hillary..
And as they proved that h**e and lies work.. the will be much more of the same for 2020.

Peasants.... ask some farmers how they like being the "patriotic champions" of the orange con job..

How is that right to work law coming for you?

If the orange does not get more approval rating numbers, will the war be in Iran or South America???



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Jul 10, 2019 18:39:53   #
moldyoldy
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
No, the dems don't have a double standard. Triple or quadruple is more like it. There areDemocrats like Doug Schoen, the kind I grew up with. Then the pathological Clintons who have been known to k**l those who displease them. Or the AOCs. God help her with all the judicial problems that she is facing. Sanders let's face it, just a bitter old man who will screw whoever he can. How do you think he came by his car and house? The useful tools aka supporters from last go 'round. They haven't seemed to learn. All snowflakes haven't learned that socialism is c*******m for the learning impaired. Oh and all those drawing parallels between Trump and Hitler. I'll make it very easy for you. Hitler tyrant, displease him even the slightest and you'd be shot. No court, no presumption of innocence (sound familiar?) DEAD!!! A little like a****a, only thing is, they have bullseyes on their backs.

Terrified of something? Many of us love this country but not the government. No, it's been easily 50 years since we were represented in Congress or the Senate. The same holds true for you if you stop long enough to see it.

After the crime spree of the porch monkey, Clinton, Holder well all of the administration, Trump is righting the country. You do know that we were heading for WWIII and a depression? Had Hillary been elected we would have been months in. That may mean the earth would have been destroyed.
No, the dems don't have a double standard. Triple ... (show quote)


You forget Nixon, Reagan gave us the crack and cocaine epidemic, trump, the worst of all is still digging his grave

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Jul 10, 2019 19:00:46   #
jeff smith
 
permafrost wrote:
read this from wiki,,, seem much ado if the target is one "us" and no mention if the target is one of "them"

Nixon
Main article: Watergate scandal
In 1974, a Bill of Impeachment against President Richard Nixon was approved by the House Judiciary Committee that included charges that his administration attempted to use the IRS in a discriminatory manner:

RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours...
Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States...
He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to... cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.[7

G. W. Bush
The NAACP was audited in 2004 after its chairman criticized then-President George W. Bush for failing to address the group, becoming the first president to do so since Herbert Hoover.[9] The IRS informed the NAACP that the audit was prompted by then-NAACP-chairman Julian Bond's speech, which "condemned the administration policies of George W. Bush on education, the economy and the war in Iraq."[10] Although the IRS maintained that the audit was an attempt to determine whether the NAACP had involved itself in a political campaign, the NAACP and Democratic Party representatives characterized the audit as an attempt to stifle criticism of Bush, intimidate NAACP members, and harm the NAACP's get-out-the-v**e campaign.[9][10]

According to the Huffington Post in 2004, the Wall Street Journal reported that the IRS audited the liberal group Greenpeace at the request of Public Interest Watch, a group funded by Exxon-Mobil. [11] Exxon-Mobil said it was not aware of the IRS audit, nor did it have a role in initiating the audit.[12]

According to the Tampa Bay Times PolitiFact the allegation that the IRS during the Bush Administration targeted liberal groups is "Mostly False".[13]

Obama
Main article: IRS targeting controversy
In May 2013, the IRS admitted it had subjected conservative political groups to closer scrutiny in their applications for tax-exempt status based on particular keywords in their names. The agency has maintained that low-level employees took it upon themselves to do this. However, Republicans argue that the refusal of Lois Lerner (at the time was Director of the IRS's Exempt Organizations Unit) to testify before Congress, twice citing her Constitutional right against self-incrimination, suggests involvement by higher-level employees. An internal report by the agency's Inspector General cited "ineffective management" as the cause and indicated that the IRS "will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future." [14] Congress continues to investigate the possibility that Lerner or other high-level officials were involved in improper political targeting. Republican lawmakers say the IRS has improperly withheld and destroyed evidence, while Democrats argue that Republicans are attempting to keep the controversy alive for political purposes.
read this from wiki,,, seem much ado if the target... (show quote)

wel , ,l first off Nixon , was impeach for the Watergate break in not using the IRS , so did Rosevelt , kennady and several other Pres. use the IRS to scrutinize opposition groups . ---- who else did Bush have audited ? ---- obumer , was a very good track hider . he is as dirty as they come . so many scandles in that house , it was pathetic .

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Jul 10, 2019 19:15:16   #
jeff smith
 
permafrost wrote:
Not going to do volumes of writing to show each part of the tax bill. it was written for the very rich, the orange guy got a section all for real estate developers. only 2 temps for big money.. bring off shore money to this country was one of them.

Don`t you just love that pending pending legislation stuff.. good luck on that..

"fulfill his promises"... such a chuckle.... so much he takes a cheer for is nothing..

Look at the NAFTA agreement.. not sure it has passed yet.. but he changed nearly nothing but the name.. now he wants a head on Mount Rushmore for none accomplishment..

Ireland... ok, you must know about the long war which came down to Catholic vs Protestant..

that being English vs Irish..

the nation came to be the 2 nation per religious view..

But they had to trade to have an economy..

When the EU got going, the border between the nations was opened. they now went back and forth at will.
No paper work, passports licence etc.. maybe Id stuff.. both counties did very well, the war stopped early on..

Only on of those countries went along with BREXIT.. the other stayed with the EU..

So the original biggest problem was how the nation could continue with the mutual economy..

When this is a done deal they will need all the passport, documents from the old days unless an agreement could be reached..

So that was the original stumbling block of the action which cost the PM her job.. and still goes on.

Biggest lie...LOL that has been the republican tactic for decades. 20 years spent lying about lady Hillary..
And as they proved that h**e and lies work.. the will be much more of the same for 2020.

Peasants.... ask some farmers how they like being the "patriotic champions" of the orange con job..

How is that right to work law coming for you?

If the orange does not get more approval rating numbers, will the war be in Iran or South America???
Not going to do volumes of writing to show each pa... (show quote)


talk , talk , talk . all I hear is bimbocrate bull dung . all from your "liberal bimbocratic news machine" . this President has done more FOR this country than the last 3 or 4 have done combined . yet your " news media does nothing but put him down . wake up some day . as for Ireland and England , well that's their problem to work out . if it comes down to having to have a passport . then what has really changed . nothing. go back to business the old fationed way . I don't work in a state with right to work as far as I know. --- approval ratings . war . I don't think it will be in Iran or south America . this is not something he want any where . that's just the MSM you listen to . manipulating as many people as they can to believe that Trump , is a danger to America . when the only thing that President Trump , is a danger to is the rinos. and bimbos. in congress that want to work for their buddies and special interest groups , instead of the American , people . term limits for all congressional seats is what is needed .

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Jul 10, 2019 20:23:04   #
moldyoldy
 
jeff smith wrote:
wel , ,l first off Nixon , was impeach for the Watergate break in not using the IRS , so did Rosevelt , kennady and several other Pres. use the IRS to scrutinize opposition groups . ---- who else did Bush have audited ? ---- obumer , was a very good track hider . he is as dirty as they come . so many scandles in that house , it was pathetic .


Since you are stuck on the IRS, the reason that Lerner targeted certain groups is because the brand new citizens united law bought out so many 501c groups with questionable legality.

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