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Jul 10, 2019 22:58:06   #
Radiance3
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I have heard this excuse plenty of times however,

If you exclude the Citizenship question then by the same reason you must exclude the following questions:

1. "What is your sex?" violation of the 13th/14 amendment as well as the violation of woman suffrage. As well as the Privacy Act of 1973

2, "What is your race, color, or creed?" Violation of the 1st Amendment, 13th Amendment, 14th Amendment, and the Privacy Act of 1973

3. "What is your income level?" Violation of the Privacy Act of 1973

Need I go on?

A census of all persons within the borders of the country is necessary for various reasons. The most basic is how many people are within the borders of the United States.

A census of American Citizens is needed. First you establish the population of the country, then you establish who are register v**ers and citizens. This is important because any action of Congress only affects the American Citizen. Wouldn't it be a good idea, if we know how many of those Citizens we have?

This question, "Are you an American Citizen?" can be used in a variety of ways to improve the country, including the quality of life.

If you have a bill, based upon a certain number of people wouldn't you want to know how many people that is? Since the push is to provide health care for every American citizen, wouldn't it be nice to know how many people that would encompass? Doesn't this number show the cost? But if we eliminate this number then the number would remain unknown. And the unknown will be more scary then the known. So why not make the unknown, known?

Let's also look at something else.... The numbers will have, just like with any statistic an error of margin. So I bring up the issue of a sample of the population. Again the total amount of people divided by the number of citizens, will show a contrast of security.

The total number of the population, minus the total number of citizens, will establish a more accurate number of visitors, and immigrants. Since legal visitors and immigrants are numbered for they entered legally, if we subtract that from the total, then we will have a ball park number of the amount of people who are illegally here. This number will then further, help ICE, as well as Law enforcement into effectively enforcing our laws.

Other statistics could also be understood more accurately as how many american citizens are men, women, children, races, etc. This would establish a means of how to change the country to become more healthy.

Now, if the supreme court is going to continue to block the executive department in exercising their power, then this is an unbalance of power. The Judicial Department cannot break separation of powers. The Executive branch is the most limited branch of government. Congress cannot except in cases of impeachment, Congress cannot prosecute cases. The Judicial Department cannot write or make laws, that is the Judicial branch of government.

Questions on the Census, is clearly a power of Congress, enforced by the Executive Department. The executive department does not need to provide any reason to place a question on the census. That is constitutional. What is unconstitutional is Justices, Supreme Court or otherwise, legislating on the bench. I can understand Justice Roberts opinion, in the fact that he wants a reason to approve the government's case. This is understandable. However, the constitution provides that the government doesn't have to provide a reason.

The problem here is not whether a US citizen question should be applied to the census. The question here is the interpretation of the question and what it is used for. If I was on the Supreme Court, I would have allowed the question, with the usual stipulation that the question could not be used against any American Citizen individually. The question could not be used to target a particular citizen. Non citizens, who are not bound by the Constitution as a citizen is, could however be targeted.

Again it provides incentive for a non-citizen to become a citizen.

Come On guys, this is a common sense, scientific, question. x+y=z, well If I have z, and cannot get x or y how can I solve the problem? If x is the citizen and y is the noncitizen and z is total persons, and all I have is total people, then how can I help x if I do not know how many people are x? Also if you think about it y=A+B, which in common sense is that y=total immigrants, A is the legal immigrant, where B is the i*****l i*******t. So if I cannot determine x, and A is recorded with immigration, and x+A+B=z, where z is the total population of persons with in our borders, then the only two figures that I will know is A and z, z-A will establish the citizen and the i*****l i*******t in the same category. Does the American Citizen want this?
I have heard this excuse plenty of times however, ... (show quote)


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Thanks God Ranger7374 came in. You've placed great answers supporting all the constitutionality of the needs for including the citizenship question.

You have emboldened my prior statements at OPP, and message sent to the president, asking why citizenship must be included in the Census. These must all be presented to the Justice Dept. Please, I hope you present your justifications to the president's office.

I really appreciate your input. Filled with logic, intellectual reasons within the bounds of our constitutional framework that are essential in enumerating the kinds of population living in our country. The purposes are plenty, for policies, and effective government control and services.

The citizenship question was used to be included during the prior year Census. It was president Obama who removed the citizenship question during his administration, labeling it as "r****t". Justification of SC Roberts was also a constitutional blunder, which I believe is legislating in the bench, instead of interpreting the constitution.

President Trump put back the citizenship question, and now, the left, called it r****t. NY Federal Judge appointed by Obama likewise defended Obama's position as "r****t" and unsupportive. Pelosi said, including the citizenship in the Census is to make America "white again." All non-sense!

Not including the citizenship question in the Census grossly violates the constitutional rights of all citizens, violating the rights of the "consent of the governed".

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Jul 11, 2019 14:37:28   #
Bcon
 
herbie wrote:
it would be nice if you had proof, just you saying the dems are the ones does not make it the t***h. you tell me to prove it yet you have no proof, not really something you can actually prove


Did you read my first reply. Check your history. Who has done more to hold b****s down? Democrats. Who has strived to lift them up Nd employ them? Republicans.
Disput itifyou can, but I doubt you can.

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Jul 11, 2019 14:41:55   #
Bcon
 
herbie wrote:
but it was not on there for a lot of years and Obama was not the president back then, why must you always make everything the democrats fault ? Republicans just can`t own up to any of what they have done ?


What,Herbie, exactly have the republicans done? No hedging, straight answer, if you are capable.

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Jul 11, 2019 14:46:37   #
Bcon
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Oh Herbie, you just stuck your foot in your mouth big time. Since YOU made the claim, you go first. Give us examples of r****m among Republicans. After you fail miserably, I will provide a long list of examples of r****m among Democrats. Don't let me down Herbie. We can't wait to see your list. Remember --- if you don't give us a factual list to back up your claim, you are essentially admitting to a h**eful lie about Republicans.


You will be waiting a long time to ge a sensible answer from Herbie. He jut parrots what his leftwingnuts tell him. No thoughts of his own.

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Jul 11, 2019 14:48:02   #
Bcon
 
herbie wrote:
democrats are not tearing down American society, prove to me that the republicans are not.


Is that your well thought out answer? Come on Herbie, don’t tax your brain so hard.

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Jul 11, 2019 14:50:03   #
Bcon
 
herbie wrote:
it would be nice if you had proof, just you saying the dems are the ones does not make it the t***h. you tell me to prove it yet you have no proof, not really something you can actually prove


I gave you my proof in the first history lesson. Apparently it was too hard for you to comprehend. Go back and read it slowly. I typed it very slow just for you.

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Jul 11, 2019 16:58:21   #
Abel
 
Bcon wrote:
The citizen question was on the census form for many years. I am unsure when it was removed, but I believe it was under Obama. If it was legal before, why not now?


Left wing politics; it helps their c**p.

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Jul 12, 2019 09:34:23   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
Abel wrote:
Left wing politics; it helps their c**p.


citizenship has noting to do with RACE. I am now 80 years old, the question was always there until BO removed it. Time to put it back, Dems are wrong we cannot feed the whole world and give them health care and welfare to boot. We can't do it for Citizens who certainly should be at the front of the line. It was their hard work, genius, and frugality that made America.

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Jul 12, 2019 11:40:58   #
Radiance3
 
Owl32 wrote:
citizenship has noting to do with RACE. I am now 80 years old, the question was always there until BO removed it. Time to put it back, Dems are wrong we cannot feed the whole world and give them health care and welfare to boot. We can't do it for Citizens who certainly should be at the front of the line. It was their hard work, genius, and frugality that made America.

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The census has been conducted every decade since 1790 to get a national head count used most critically to decide the distribution of congressional representation. At first it was conducted by U.S. marshals, but later surveys were sent to most American households, with census workers helping those who didn't promptly return their surveys.

The last time a citizenship question was among the census questions for all U.S. households was in 1950. That form asked where each person was born and, in a follow-up, question asked, "If foreign born — Is he naturalized?"
In 1960, there was no such question about citizenship, only about place of birth.

In 1960, the census asked respondents what country they were born in but not whether they were naturalized citizens.

In 1970, the Census Bureau began sending around two questionnaires: a short-form questionnaire to gather basic population information and a long form that asked detailed questions about everything from household income to plumbing. The short form went to most households in America.

The long form was sent to a much smaller sample of households, 1 in 6. Most people didn't get it.

Starting in 1970, questions about citizenship were included in the long-form questionnaire but not the short form. For instance, in 2000, those who received the long form were asked, "Is this person a CITIZEN of the United States?"
Questions: Long Form..
12.Where was this person born?
13. Is this person a citizen of the United States?

Due to the current added tens of millions of i*****l a***ns in the US, it is most important to include the citizenship question to determine the types of residents living in the US. The purposes are varied. One is for redistricting of states with increase in population. Without knowing how many citizens, the rights of the i******s versus the rights of the citizens are equal when it should not. Citizens v**e, while illegal must not.

In 2010, Obama entirely removed the citizens question from the long form.
In 2019, the constitution's 3 balance of power does not exist anymore. President Trump could not exercise his executive powers taken over by the SC Justice.

The Bureau of Census is under the Commerce Dept. And the Commerce Dept. is under the Executive Branch. The president has its duties to exercise under that branch. However currently, the Justice Dept. and Congress has overridden that president Trump's authority. What happened to the constitution that was developed to have the 3 branches of government with equal defined functions?

It was removed by Obama in 2010. If Obama at the Executive Branch could remove it, therefore president Trump at the Executive branch has the right to put it back. But he was stripped off of that power by the Justice Dept. recently, violating president Trump's constitutional rights. That Justice System act was legislating, not interpreting the constitution. Our constitution therefore is violated, where the Executive branch becomes subservient to the 2 powers of the Justice and Congress. It is unconstitutional.

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