herbie

but it was not on there for a lot of years and Obama was not the president back then, why must you always make everything the democrats fault ? Republicans just can`t own up to any of what they have done ?

Bcon

Sorry herbie, study your history. Go back to before the civil war and continue to the present. Who couldn’t accept the freedom of the salves? Democrats—-+ Who started all the Jim Crow turmoil? Democrats—- Who started the Ku Klux Klan? Democrats.
Who opposed every piece of legislation that was helpful to the b****s, like the free v****g rights? Democrats Who are and were the biggest r****ts in the congress and in the country? Democrats. You are so far out in left field that a course in American history might open your eyes. But that is too tough to follow. It is easier to just let yourself be programmed by your l*****t, socialists leaders.

Bcon

The reason the democrats are always at fault, is because of the actions they take to tear down American society. Any more questions?

herbie

as usual ask an i***t a question and get an i***ts answer

Bcon

Okay, prove me wrong, if you are able. Just because you don’t like or don’t comprehend the answer doesn’t Mae it wrong. It makes you look foolish.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

I just told him that if SCOTUS has a problem with a question that has been asked since 1880, re-word it to read What is your TIN number. What's that? Don't know what it is? Are you a citizen? Just pulling your chain, Amazon asks it of all new authors. They had me going for a minute until I asked my CPA.

herbie

democrats are not tearing down American society, prove to me that the republicans are not.

herbie

that is not something that all would know, I know it because i am in the mortgage business. Tax Identification Number ( TIN )

Bcon

Just because you say they are not, is not proof. As for conservatives, just look at Trumps record. Best president since Reagan. Thank God Obama is gone and Hillary lost her bid for e******n. Still waiting for your proof.

herbie

it would be nice if you had proof, just you saying the dems are the ones does not make it the t***h. you tell me to prove it yet you have no proof, not really something you can actually prove

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Radiance3 - President Trump is not the problem. I'm sure he would love to have the citizenship question on the census form. The problem is the courts, including the Supreme Court which apparently ruled against the inclusion of the citizenship question. The Justice Department seems to believe they have a way to legally add it. We will see.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Radiance3

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I know. The Supreme Court instead of following the constitution, has engaged in political correctness. I will insist the citizenship be included in the Census. It grossly violates the citizens' constitutional rights, and the consent of the governed.

EconomistDon

Oh Herbie, you just stuck your foot in your mouth big time. Since YOU made the claim, you go first. Give us examples of r****m among Republicans. After you fail miserably, I will provide a long list of examples of r****m among Democrats. Don't let me down Herbie. We can't wait to see your list. Remember --- if you don't give us a factual list to back up your claim, you are essentially admitting to a h**eful lie about Republicans.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I have heard this excuse plenty of times however,

If you exclude the Citizenship question then by the same reason you must exclude the following questions:

1. "What is your sex?" violation of the 13th/14 amendment as well as the violation of woman suffrage. As well as the Privacy Act of 1973

2, "What is your race, color, or creed?" Violation of the 1st Amendment, 13th Amendment, 14th Amendment, and the Privacy Act of 1973

3. "What is your income level?" Violation of the Privacy Act of 1973

Need I go on?

A census of all persons within the borders of the country is necessary for various reasons. The most basic is how many people are within the borders of the United States.

A census of American Citizens is needed. First you establish the population of the country, then you establish who are register v**ers and citizens. This is important because any action of Congress only affects the American Citizen. Wouldn't it be a good idea, if we know how many of those Citizens we have?

This question, "Are you an American Citizen?" can be used in a variety of ways to improve the country, including the quality of life.

If you have a bill, based upon a certain number of people wouldn't you want to know how many people that is? Since the push is to provide health care for every American citizen, wouldn't it be nice to know how many people that would encompass? Doesn't this number show the cost? But if we eliminate this number then the number would remain unknown. And the unknown will be more scary then the known. So why not make the unknown, known?

Let's also look at something else.... The numbers will have, just like with any statistic an error of margin. So I bring up the issue of a sample of the population. Again the total amount of people divided by the number of citizens, will show a contrast of security.

The total number of the population, minus the total number of citizens, will establish a more accurate number of visitors, and immigrants. Since legal visitors and immigrants are numbered for they entered legally, if we subtract that from the total, then we will have a ball park number of the amount of people who are illegally here. This number will then further, help ICE, as well as Law enforcement into effectively enforcing our laws.

Other statistics could also be understood more accurately as how many american citizens are men, women, children, races, etc. This would establish a means of how to change the country to become more healthy.

Now, if the supreme court is going to continue to block the executive department in exercising their power, then this is an unbalance of power. The Judicial Department cannot break separation of powers. The Executive branch is the most limited branch of government. Congress cannot except in cases of impeachment, Congress cannot prosecute cases. The Judicial Department cannot write or make laws, that is the Judicial branch of government.

Questions on the Census, is clearly a power of Congress, enforced by the Executive Department. The executive department does not need to provide any reason to place a question on the census. That is constitutional. What is unconstitutional is Justices, Supreme Court or otherwise, legislating on the bench. I can understand Justice Roberts opinion, in the fact that he wants a reason to approve the government's case. This is understandable. However, the constitution provides that the government doesn't have to provide a reason.

The problem here is not whether a US citizen question should be applied to the census. The question here is the interpretation of the question and what it is used for. If I was on the Supreme Court, I would have allowed the question, with the usual stipulation that the question could not be used against any American Citizen individually. The question could not be used to target a particular citizen. Non citizens, who are not bound by the Constitution as a citizen is, could however be targeted.

Again it provides incentive for a non-citizen to become a citizen.

Come On guys, this is a common sense, scientific, question. x+y=z, well If I have z, and cannot get x or y how can I solve the problem? If x is the citizen and y is the noncitizen and z is total persons, and all I have is total people, then how can I help x if I do not know how many people are x? Also if you think about it y=A+B, which in common sense is that y=total immigrants, A is the legal immigrant, where B is the i*****l i*******t. So if I cannot determine x, and A is recorded with immigration, and x+A+B=z, where z is the total population of persons with in our borders, then the only two figures that I will know is A and z, z-A will establish the citizen and the i*****l i*******t in the same category. Does the American Citizen want this?