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Jul 9, 2019 12:08:47   #
JoyV
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
At the risk of sounding dumb, what does one's race have to do with answering that question??


Nothing. But the left has found using the race card so useful, they apply it to almost everything they are against.

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Jul 9, 2019 12:13:31   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
JoyV wrote:
Nothing. But the left has found using the race card so useful, they apply it to almost everything they are against.

It's just a cheap way of shutting down an argument. Along with deflection, disinformation, misinformation, reflection, and generally changing the subject. Using the race card, g****r card, N**i card, mysogynist card, homophobe card, xenophobe card, you get the idea. They've even been known to devolve into ad hominem attacks then declare victory when the sensible side simply walks away shaking their heads. Their toolbox is large and varied, they've been doing it for a very long time. The hard part is recognizing these tricks and figuring out the best way to counter them. Ben Shapiro is very good at that. So is Ann Coulter. That's why they h**e them so much.

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Jul 9, 2019 15:44:18   #
Bcon
 
PeterS wrote:
The only reason for the citizenship question is to force an undercount of minorities living in the United States. It is a question directed at race and why it was squashed by the Supreme Court. It would seem not all of the Conservatives on the court are as r****t as those in the remainder of the country...thank god!




As usual, your comments are complete left wing bulls**t. A completely accurate count of citizens and non citizens is essential so that we have less v***r f***d, more accurate distribution of money depending on population, and a myriad of other reasons. It is still just part of democrats lying conspiracies to garner v**es wether legal or illegal. If money isn’t allocated fairly, it is the American citizens who suffer more than the i******s, who should not be here anyway. I am all in favor of ICE raids and deportations. We spend more money on welfare for i*****l a***ns than we do on many things vital to this country. The best thing to happen is for the democrat party to disappear and get America back on stability.

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Jul 9, 2019 15:45:59   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Bcon wrote:
The best thing to happen is for the democrat party to disappear.

Poof! And the nightmare is over, just like that.

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Jul 9, 2019 15:47:12   #
Bcon
 
PeterS wrote:
The only reason for the citizenship question is to force an undercount of minorities living in the United States. It is a question directed at race and why it was squashed by the Supreme Court. It would seem not all of the Conservatives on the court are as r****t as those in the remainder of the country...thank god!


When liberals have no good valid arguments to back up their nefarious ways, they always fall back on r****m. This is ironic because the are and, as history proves, have always been the r****ts of this nation.

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Jul 9, 2019 15:48:29   #
Bcon
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Removing the citizenship question would undermine the number of black citizens. Majority of the i******s consist of Hispanics. Adversely affected would be the black conservative v**ers, and conservative b****s running for e******n.

Removing citizenship question from the Census is unconstitutional. These are the most affected problems.
1.It disenfranchises the Conservative citizen v**ers. I explained that earlier. Due to illegal v****g as proven every e******n. Victory is therefore granted to democrats with more v**es. But huge number are i******s.

2.It also violates the rights of the citizens on the Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson, Jul. 4, 1776. Declaration applied to all citizens only.
Excerpt:
"We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

The redistricting.
3. Due to increase of i*****l a***ns in most democrat states like California, NY, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, etc. Therefore there will be adding more democrat districts.

As a result Democrats will always win the e******n. GOP has no chance of winning. Again that will disenfranchise the citizens of the United States. The citizens mostly provide the largest tax revenue to the federal government. Taxation without representation. We will become the provider but put to s***ery. History repeats itself, only the citizens are adversely affected.
It is therefore unconstitutional. It does not represent the consent of the governed, the citizens.


Citizenship Census has been required since 1970. Why remove now? It is a politicization and abolishment of the citizens' constitutional rights.
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Jul 9, 2019 16:36:43   #
GmanTerry
 
PeterS wrote:
The only reason for the citizenship question is to force an undercount of minorities living in the United States. It is a question directed at race and why it was squashed by the Supreme Court. It would seem not all of the Conservatives on the court are as r****t as those in the remainder of the country...thank god!


How can you believe that? The reason for the census is to count CITIZENS so that it may be determined how many representatives are needed in congress to represent the CITIZENS. I******s are not allowed to v**e and they were never intended to be counted as citizens for the purpose of apportioning representives. Your argument just wants to have the sanctuary cities get more representives by counting the i******s. Admit that counting i******s just allows the left to pack congress and the E*******l College with left leaning representives. Your party should try representing real live middle class Americans for a change.

Semper Fi

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Jul 9, 2019 16:51:40   #
Bcon
 
GmanTerry wrote:
How can you believe that? The reason for the census is to count CITIZENS so that it may be determined how many representatives are needed in congress to represent the CITIZENS. I******s are not allowed to v**e and they were never intended to be counted as citizens for the purpose of apportioning representives. Your argument just wants to have the sanctuary cities get more representives by counting the i******s. Admit that counting i******s just allows the left to pack congress and the E*******l College with left leaning representives. Your party should try representing real live middle class Americans for a change.

Semper Fi
How can you believe that? The reason for the censu... (show quote)


When did you ever consider that the left wing nuts of the country tried to be fair? They are the most self serving selfish individuals that are determined to k**l this country and it’s principles no matter what happens. They don’t care about anything except themselves and the hell with what is right. Just read the posts from any liberal that writes in to this site and you will see the proof of that. They refuse to answer any question that they disagree with because it would show their true, anti American ways.

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Jul 9, 2019 17:09:48   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
ACP45 wrote:
"NPR, quoting the Urban Institute, says the census threatens to put “more than 4 million people at risk of being undocumented.” The headline warns the addition of the question could lead to “worst undercount of black, Latinx people in 30 years.”

But the framing implies Trump is the first U.S. President to include a question on citizenship, when in fact Trump is simply following the established and understandable tradition of asking those who fill out the form if they’re actually Americans.

The charge against Trump is one that demands reframing – Obama was the first to not include a question on citizenship, naturalization, or nativity in almost 200 years. The Trump administration is simply undoing Obama’s 8-year effort to distort the status quo."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-07/trumps-citizenship-question-isnt-controversial-obama-deleting-it-shouldve-been

In short, it is pretty obvious that NPR has gotten this issue wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512/fact-check-has-citizenship-been-a-standard-census-question
"NPR, quoting the Urban Institute, says the c... (show quote)


You are so right. If it was such a bad idea the Dems would have gotten rid of it long before 2010. But it seems they were not such a r****t org. at that time. Now everything not of their view, it is r****t, bigoted, Islamophobic or other such dog whistle's, or as the Dems call it,when conservatives say a statement they, the Dems, disagree with.

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Jul 9, 2019 17:16:21   #
cherylhepler
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Hi Linda,
The 22 million i******s could have lots of districts to add. Therefore democrats will always win the e******n. No chance for GOP's.

As reported, it will approximately cost $15.6 billion to conduct this Census. But the most important element is not included. "The Citizenship Question"
Taxation without representation.

The $15.6 billion paid by us taxpayers has become the political correctness of Mr. Obama.

Mr. President must include "us- the citizens". I emailed him last July 5th, to include the citizenship question in the Census, and explained the reasons why it is necessary. Omission will be a violation of our constitutional rights. Good day!
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Jul 9, 2019 17:27:00   #
cherylhepler
 
The allotment of representatives from each state is supposed to be based on US citizens. The census count should not include non-citizens for the purpose of determining how many representatives are issue each state. Those non-citizens if included in the census count could easily be considered foreign influence in our government.

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Jul 9, 2019 19:07:39   #
Mr. Rogers
 
ACP45 wrote:
"NPR, quoting the Urban Institute, says the census threatens to put “more than 4 million people at risk of being undocumented.” The headline warns the addition of the question could lead to “worst undercount of black, Latinx people in 30 years.”

But the framing implies Trump is the first U.S. President to include a question on citizenship, when in fact Trump is simply following the established and understandable tradition of asking those who fill out the form if they’re actually Americans.

The charge against Trump is one that demands reframing – Obama was the first to not include a question on citizenship, naturalization, or nativity in almost 200 years. The Trump administration is simply undoing Obama’s 8-year effort to distort the status quo."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-07/trumps-citizenship-question-isnt-controversial-obama-deleting-it-shouldve-been

In short, it is pretty obvious that NPR has gotten this issue wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512/fact-check-has-citizenship-been-a-standard-census-question
"NPR, quoting the Urban Institute, says the c... (show quote)


Will undocumented individuals be penalized for admitting the t***h in the census? The purpose of the census is to get an accurate count of the number of people residing in America. Including the citizenship question in the survey will save time, money and the effort to acquire this information from other sources. Responses to this question should be limited to and only used for the purpose of data.

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Jul 9, 2019 19:17:37   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Mr. Rogers wrote:
Will undocumented individuals be penalized for admitting the t***h in the census? The purpose of the census is to get an accurate count of the number of people residing in America. Including the citizenship question in the survey will save time, money and the effort to acquire this information from other sources. Responses to this question should be limited to and only used for the purpose of data.


If it only asks for their name, no. If it wants more specific information, yes it could come back to bite them. The most specific it should be is to ask for zip code.

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Jul 9, 2019 19:52:33   #
Mr. Rogers
 
By data I mean to keep a separate tally of the responses to this question (by scanning census forms through a computer) without any reference to the person who completed it.

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Jul 9, 2019 19:58:25   #
Radiance3
 
ACP45 wrote:
"NPR, quoting the Urban Institute, says the census threatens to put “more than 4 million people at risk of being undocumented.” The headline warns the addition of the question could lead to “worst undercount of black, Latinx people in 30 years.”

But the framing implies Trump is the first U.S. President to include a question on citizenship, when in fact Trump is simply following the established and understandable tradition of asking those who fill out the form if they’re actually Americans.

The charge against Trump is one that demands reframing – Obama was the first to not include a question on citizenship, naturalization, or nativity in almost 200 years. The Trump administration is simply undoing Obama’s 8-year effort to distort the status quo."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-07/trumps-citizenship-question-isnt-controversial-obama-deleting-it-shouldve-been

In short, it is pretty obvious that NPR has gotten this issue wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512/fact-check-has-citizenship-been-a-standard-census-question
"NPR, quoting the Urban Institute, says the c... (show quote)

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Ladies and Gentlemen,
The inclusion of the "Citizenship" question in the Census, is not yet assured. Few hours ago, a liberal Federal Judge in NYC, issued a decision not to allow the Citizenship question at the Census form.

I am not sure how DOJ Barr will resolve this problem. I hope he does find a solution. This is very critical, if you only know the reasons why. It also is a gross violation of our Constitutional Rights.

I've enumerated already the various reasons at OPP, why we need the number of citizens living in the United States. This is our country. It is for policy issues and servicing to the governed.

I sent a letter to the president's office on Jul. 5th, with all the justifications and constitutionality of the inclusion of the citizenship question. I am not going to stop until this is done. I am feeling so upset right now, after hearing the NY liberal Federal Judge decision. The Judge had political reasons. Not including the citizenship question is gross violation of our constitutional rights.

Please write the president. Please don't be silent on this. If not included, what happened to the "Consent of the Governed?". Do we allow this, and submit to the political pressure? Their reason for omission is political versus our constitutional rights. Where is the SC on this? Roberts is also liberal political hack.

We are the people, we are the reasons why the system was prepared. Please don't give up ladies and gentlemen. We will lose our republic, our democratic process.

GOP will have no chance of winning if the government doesn't know how many citizens are in our country. Why do we surrender our rights to the i*****l a***ns for socialist democrat control? While we feed them and provide them everything just because of the politics of those on the left. This is a rift off.

The Justice system is wrong!! Please don't give up, my fellow citizens



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