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May 31, 2014 14:05:21   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
dennisimoto wrote:
Wow! I'm nonplussed.


:thumbup: check &#8730;

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May 31, 2014 19:06:27   #
Singularity
 
marjorie wrote:
singularity Why such a long non-informative post? The t***h can be found in the greatest book of all books on sodomy. I don't need any other reasoning, knowledge, understanding. The Word Of God says it all. It is wrong just as h**e is wrong, so is anger, how about greed, then adultery. Those just a few. Still we are to LOVE those sodomites but abhor the sin of sodomy.

Obviously you didn't read it or you aren't sure what the thread is about....
Fine, except your recommended 3s solution still doesn't sound so loving, marjorie..

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May 31, 2014 19:31:27   #
rumitoid
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
LAWS OF GOD & NATURE
Homosexual 'rights': Suicide for humanity?
Exclusive: Alan Keyes considers implications of 'self-inflicted genocide' on human race

At Barbwire.com I recently read Steve Baldwin’s excellent analysis of the flawed thinking characteristic of self-styled “conservatives” who are part of what he rightly describes as “a headlong rush by many conservatives … in support of various aspects of the homosexual agenda.” Mr. Baldwin questions the assumption that homosexual activity involves an issue of constitutional or civil rights like the one involved in the movement to end law-enforced racial discrimination.

Baldwin’s cogent analysis makes sense, but only if we assume that not all valid claims of right are the result of purely man-made law. So the terms “constitutional rights” and “civil rights” require further clarification. At the time the United States was founded, when the American patriots justified their resistance to the British government’s unjust actions, they referred (in the Declaration of Independence) to “the laws of nature and of nature’s God,” including first of all the determinations of the Creator’s will whereby He endowed all human beings with their “unalienable rights.”

“Constitutional rights” arise in the context of human agreement on the establishment of a constitution. “Civil rights” arise in the context of the human practices, habits and norms connected with the establishment of political societies. Both arise from prior human agreement, by word or deed. But neither necessarily refers to any standard of right that transcends the concurrence of human wills. Both may include respect for God-endowed unalienable rights, but not necessarily.

Only the explicit reference to God-endowed unalienable rights refers to a standard of right that transcends the concurrence of human wills. This does not mean that human concurrence is irrelevant to lawful government. It does mean, however, that only where, by word and deed, human beings agree to respect and implement what is right according to God’s will for human nature, is it their purpose to institute just law and government. When and where they do not so agree, there may be law and there may be government, but the aim of justice cannot be assumed.

This explains the relevance of the question about whether homosexuals are born that way, or not. Human beings are not born with wings, yet we fly. We are not born with the ability to withstand the airless vacuum of outer space, and yet humans have traveled to the moon. But we are born with imagination, self-consciousness, curiosity and rational thought. These faculties have combined to produce effects that extend our activities beyond what once appeared to be the limits of our natural existence.

Homosexuals may argue that the specially combined faculties of human nature have extended human sexual activities, in just this way, beyond what instinctively appears to be their natural limits. Do we forbid people to fly because they were not born with wings? Do we forbid them to travel to the moon because they were not born equipped to withstand the rigors of being in space? Among all the various ways of being in the universe of our experience, isn’t this capacity consciously to extend our reach beyond the limits of our original nature the special quality of our human nature? Isn’t it the one that, above all, distinguishes humanity from the rest?

The answer seems to be both yes and no. It seems to be yes because our everyday experience now confirms the fact that human understanding can redefine the limits of human activity. It therefore redefines, in practice, the nature of human being, for individuals and on the whole. It seems to be no because, as we erase the boundaries of human possibility, we efface the lineaments that distinguish humanity from the not particularly human appearance of the rest of things. Every day we seem to ourselves more knowledgeable, more capable, more powerful – but also less and less distinctly human.

On the whole, homosexual activity epitomizes this dilemma. We call it sexual activity because it involves bodily organs and feelings associated with the activity for which the different sexes appear to exist. Yet, in the strict sense of the term, it is not “sexual” activity at all. The functional difference that distinguishes one sex from the other quite literally has nothing to do with same-sex activity. That activity abstracts from the functionally defined difference in order exclusively to focus on bodily feelings and emotions that are important to the individuals involved, but that are of no consequence, concretely, for the species as a whole.

As individuals, some human beings may find this activity intensely gratifying. But considered on the whole, in terms of its consequences, it implies the nonexistence of humanity. The homosexual couple is not engaged in the act of human procreation. Their activity is not haunted by the possibility of human offspring. It does not imply the reification of their responsibility for the future of humanity as such. The pleasurable satisfaction it involves does not draw individuals away from their particular selves toward a concrete physical union (in the child they conceive) that represents the perpetuation of their being as a whole, their human being. Their ecstasy is more like the highest pitch given off by a guitar string just before the turn of the tuning peg that causes it to break.

Because it is, on the whole, of no consequence, homosexual activity involves no natural right – for every claim of natural right arises from respect for the law of nature, which in turn necessarily requires respect for the nature of law. Law is a sovereign determination that gives and takes account of the whole. When a man and a woman engage in the act of procreation, their individual self-gratification arises in the course of an activity that represents this understanding of law. The information each one contributes toward the nature of the individual child takes account of and passes on the Creator’s information as to the nature of humanity as such.

This simultaneous respect for the nature of the individual as a whole and the nature constituted by the whole of all such individuals is the hallmark of the natural law. Human sexual activity in the true sense (i.e., the activity of human procreation) is the concrete paradigm of this respect. Respect for the nature of human sexual activity, therefore, implies respect for the authority of the natural law. The special combination of human faculties allows human beings to act without such respect. But just as homosexual activity implies the extinction of humanity as such, so acting without respect for the natural law implies the extinction of humanity as a whole.

This reveals the supreme irony of the contemporary debate over law-enforced respect for so-called homosexual rights. In their clamor about g****l w*****g, poverty or an end to r****m, those who advocate such respect pretend to be “humanitarians.” Yet they seek to discard our respect for the activity that implements the law (of the Creator) intended to preserve and perpetuate the nature of humanity as, in and of ourselves, we know it to be.

We do not forbid people to fly because they are born without wings. So the advocates of law-enforced respect for homosexuality may argue. But if and when they propose that, as a species, we should, like Icarus, fly into the sun, what then? If genocide is wrong for this or that race of human beings, how can self-inflicted genocide be right for humanity as a whole?

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/homosexual-rights-suicide-for-humanity/#Ae1huzJWJJKV8V8p.99
LAWS OF GOD & NATURE br Homosexual 'rights': S... (show quote)


Something to consider. Hermaphrodites exist. The reasoning after that should be perfectly clear as to how to view these supposed "same sex" mergers, which can be in keeping with natural and God's law.

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May 31, 2014 20:19:13   #
marjorie
 
singulary The love that's God's love is not what probably fits into your mind set. Its beyond tolerance, kindness, gentleness. Its what one has that makes one have a desire to bring those sodomy persons into the Family of Beluvers in Christ Jesus. That's the love of Jesus Christ.

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May 31, 2014 20:51:46   #
rumitoid
 
rumitoid wrote:
Something to consider. Hermaphrodites exist. The reasoning after that should be perfectly clear as to how to view these supposed "same sex" mergers, which can be in keeping with natural and God's law.


It is abundantly clear by billions of births and recent advances in DNA technologies that g****r is a spectrum. Some individuals are strongly disposed to one sex or the other by genetic predispositions. This is undeniable science (consider the hermaphrodite).

Does this acting on the heterosexual disposition, which also accounts for the majority and all manner of recognized sin, such as adultery and fornication, get a prize? The argument is, yes, there are those with this bent that by that bent are no better, or worse, in God's eyes than those with a seemingly homosexual bent. But is it a homosexual bent?

The attraction in a homosexual relationship is not the appeal of same sex but a perceived difference in sexuality masked by appearances. The terms this LBGT community use to describe their roles makes that plain. The a*********n God spoke of could very well be the actual and unnatural same sex attraction that is very much choice and goes against natural and God's law.

The LBGT makes a choice as much as the predisposed heterosexual makes a choice. Definitely not all of course but not nearly a greater number than adulterers and fornicators.

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May 31, 2014 20:54:38   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
dennisimoto: Try a little harder...like displaying this behavior in public doesn't fog little mines, or I have two mommies or two daddies...does it tend to go against the grain? I truly believe it can destroy a society...take a look back at Greece and Rome!


Greece & Rome went down for the same reason that America is going down now. Apathy. People have stopped getting involved in their own destiny. P.S. have you been to Greece or Rome lately? Hardly unpopulated.

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May 31, 2014 20:55:15   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
Something to consider. Hermaphrodites exist. The reasoning after that should be perfectly clear as to how to view these supposed "same sex" mergers, which can be in keeping with natural and God's law.


I am sure that you know that hermaphrodites exist. I believe that the condition is caused by hormone problems in the womb, and is cong*****l not genetic. As far as I know they have some sex organs of each sex and are sterile, at least I haven't heard of any being fertile. It is a common condition in cattle. If a cow has a bull calf and a heifer calf, there is a strong possibility that the female is sterile, and has some male reproductive organs. In cattle they are called free martins, and I think the condition is more common in beef cattle than in dairy cattle. Since we can eat nature's mistakes there is little economical problem when one arrives. I know earthworms are true hermaphrodites, being fertile in both sexes so they can self fertilize, don't know if it happens in other similar animals. That's as much as I know about hermaphrodites, except that it does happen in dogs, and they usually appear female, but when they never come in season or they go to be spayed the condition is discovered. If you know more than that I would love to know about it, like to keep my learning up to date.

Yes, g****r identity is a spectrum that doesn't seem to have any genetic cause except to the extent that everything we are has a genetic origin, that's why we develop into humans and not ducks.. Except for hermaphrodites, there are two sexes. I have never found any indication that there is a genetic cause for hermaphrodites, just malfunction if the hormone system in uterus.

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May 31, 2014 20:57:36   #
rumitoid
 
A repeat I do not want lost:
It is abundantly clear by billions of births and recent advances in DNA technologies that g****r is a spectrum. Some individuals are strongly disposed to one sex or the other by genetic predispositions. This is undeniable science (consider the hermaphrodite).

Does this acting on the heterosexual disposition, which also accounts for the majority and all manner of recognized sin, such as adultery and fornication, get a prize? The argument is, yes, there are those with this bent that by that bent are no better, or worse, in God's eyes than those with a seemingly homosexual bent. But is it a homosexual bent?

The attraction in a homosexual relationship is not the appeal of same sex but a perceived difference in sexuality masked by appearances. The terms this LBGT community use to describe their roles makes that plain. The a*********n God spoke of could very well be the actual and unnatural same sex attraction that is very much choice and goes against natural and God's law.

The LBGT makes a choice as much as the predisposed heterosexual makes a choice. Definitely not all of course but not nearly a greater number than adulterers and fornicators.

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Jun 1, 2014 09:29:42   #
Singularity
 
rumitoid wrote:
Something to consider. Hermaphrodites exist. The reasoning after that should be perfectly clear as to how to view these supposed "same sex" mergers, which can be in keeping with natural and God's law.

There are a number of viable combinations of sex c********es in humans.
XX (male),
XY (female),
XXY (Klinefelter's syndrome),
XXX, (Triple X syndrome)
XYY, (Jacob's syndrome)
and XO (Turner's syndrome),
and other, more rare examples of 4, 5 or more sex c********es

They all contain the X c********e. Interestingly, there has been no combinations found that contain only Y: YO (Y, missing X), YY, or YYY syndromes.

Besides chromosomal a******lities, there are numerous genetic loci which undergo various types of mutations which cause predictable changes which affect appearance, anatomy and physiology of sex organs and secondary sex characteristics.

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Jun 1, 2014 10:21:27   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Singularity wrote:
There are a number of viable combinations of sex c********es in humans.
XX (male),
XY (female),
XXY (Klinefelter's syndrome),
XXX, (Triple X syndrome)
XYY, (Jacob's syndrome)
and XO (Turner's syndrome),
and other, more rare examples of 4, 5 or more sex c********es

They all contain the X c********e. Interestingly, there has been no combinations found that contain only Y: YO (Y, missing X), YY, or YYY syndromes.

Besides chromosomal a******lities, there are numerous genetic loci which undergo various types of mutations which cause predictable changes which affect appearance, anatomy and physiology of sex organs and secondary sex characteristics.
There are a number of viable combinations of sex c... (show quote)


Out of curiosity, how many of these a******lities are fertile, and how many are capable of having a sexual response such as ejaculation even if no egg or sperm is produced? How many of these a******lities are obvious without genetic tests? Next question- how many of the homosexual population have these genetic a******lities, and how many of the children who believe they are the sex they don't appear to be have been tested and determined to have these genetic conditions? Hopefully you will be able to help me understand by telling me where I can find the data if it exists. Always willing to learn new things. Thanks.

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Jun 1, 2014 11:24:18   #
marjorie
 
rumitold Sin is sin right on. Its not what one thinks, its what the ALMIGHTY says in HIS WORD. Not just in mind. Not just in ones heart. Not in ones will. But what God says. you can describe all these so called c********es be they a******l or wh**ever and it leads to a sinful nature its wrong and God still has a LOVE for that person but needs to come into the relationship of the LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST.

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Jun 1, 2014 12:15:45   #
Singularity
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many of these a******lities are fertile, and how many are capable of having a sexual response such as ejaculation even if no egg or sperm is produced? How many of these a******lities are obvious without genetic tests? Next question- how many of the homosexual population have these genetic a******lities, and how many of the children who believe they are the sex they don't appear to be have been tested and determined to have these genetic conditions? Hopefully you will be able to help me understand by telling me where I can find the data if it exists. Always willing to learn new things. Thanks.
Out of curiosity, how many of these a******lities ... (show quote)

What? You don't know how to do a scientific literature search and evaluate the validity and usefulness of the data and claims made on your own? That would explain a lot...

Edit: Its pretty clear you never went to medical school or studied biology in high school if you never heard of these conditions. One begins to understand more and more...

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Jun 1, 2014 12:26:22   #
marjorie
 
nopropagandaplease I'm very sure that you are very knowledgeable of the scientific literature search and data needed to make your statements. What else do you use to put this knowledge, understanding and then wisdom. You know GOD'S WISDOM?

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Jun 1, 2014 12:40:34   #
Singularity
 
marjorie wrote:
nopropagandaplease I'm very sure that you are very knowledgeable of the scientific literature search and data needed to make your statements. What else do you use to put this knowledge, understanding and then wisdom. You know GOD'S WISDOM?

Right! The 3s solution... Shoot, Shovel and Shut Up AKA murder!
(When you, marjorie, clearly denounce the use of murder instead of penicillin to treat an STD, I will stop bringing it up.)

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Jun 1, 2014 13:37:44   #
marjorie
 
singularity Always interesting how a person takes a simple ole saying and keeps it as there thought pattern pertaining to someone who has no desire to do the 3's. My desire is to use the WORD OF GOD and His LOVE as CHRIST JESUS has done for all. He gave HIS LIFE for Even you SINGULARITY.

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