woodguru

https://thehill.com/homenews/1230-report/448899-details-of-the-supreme-court-rulings-trump-scolds-mick-mulvaney-for-coughing-krispy-kreme-glaze-waterfall-in-new-york

The Trump administration was looking for a supreme court decision that would have helped in cases where Trump pardons his crime members, where they could face similar state charges.

As an example of how even liberal sites can post spin free information based solely on facts, you can see that even a KOS post is able to get it spin free. My point being that the system of refusing to believe anything said on a site you don't like has serious faults.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/17/1865346/-Breaking-SCOTUS-States-Feds-can-prosecute-for-similar-behavior?utm_campaign=trending

Liberty Tree

Keep that in mind when you trash FOX NEWS

woodguru

I read KOS with an eye toward the spin, my point was that any source has the ability to be correct some of the time, it takes comparing multiple sources to get to the bottom of different things.

I trash KOS and FOX depending on the issue.

What's your take on Manafort being less pardon safe? My opinion is that a pardon would be an injustice, so it's a good call as far as I'm concerned.

Liberty Tree

I disagree with the decision. This allows a person be found innocent in a trial at one level, but then tried for the same offense at a different level. The fact that one may or may not agree with a pardon should not be the issue. Double jeopardy is the issue and this gives governments two shots at a person for the same offense.

bggamers Loc: georgia

for a white-collar crime why put him in solitaire at Rikers prison that's for seriously bad bad people he over 60 his crime wasnt bad enough for a prison-like that

Lonewolf

It's not for a 18 year old who stole a car but he goes their.
Show these white collar criminals March into a real prision might just the attention of those who chose to rip people off. Doctors over prescribing drugs or over charging Medicare.

Common_Sense_Matters

Petty offenders both pretrial (not yet convicted of a crime) and convicted are sent to Rikers Island, yet Paul Manafort is "too good" for Rikers? Most criminals housed there, both pretrial and convicted are there for non-violent crimes and most are there for petty crimes where if something was stolen, it pales in value to the value of Manafort's ill gotten gains, yet Manafort isn't just as bad as the other criminals there? True, there are much worse criminals there than Manafort, but there are also criminals there that aren't nearly as bad as Manafort himself.

Gotta love how Republicans claim to be hardliners where it comes to criminals and criminality, but then if the criminal is a Republican, they should be let off easy. Where is this concern when a petty criminal gets charged and/or convicted? Why should white collar criminals that typically commit much greater value crimes get lighter sentences and better accommodations than petty criminals? Doesn't this encourage white collar criminality? If you can expect much lighter sentences and country club accommodations, what is the deterrent to committing these crimes? The white collar crimes tend to be far more rewarding, especially when you make a risk/rewards comparison than blue collar crimes yet blue collar crimes tend to punish with harsher sentences and much less comfortable accommodations. Where is the fairness? Is a white collar criminal any less guilty?

Rose42

I agree. There are non violent ways to ruin people’s lives.

bggamers Loc: georgia

For your information even the DNC was upset that he was sent there

Common_Sense_Matters

That very well may be but I am not the least bit upset. Just because someone is wealthy, that should not entitle them to better treatment when they break the law, they may get better treatment, but that is wrong.

TrueAmerican

Typical l*****t liberal hypocrite !!!!!!

bggamers Loc: georgia

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO with wealth Rikers has always been for the worst of the worst k**ler gang member serial k**lers what they think this is a way to punish him for being pro trump

bggamers Loc: georgia

He is being put in solitary confinement for 7.5 years he was put there at the request of the district attorney in New York this place is so violent their considering shutting some of it down because the greater portion of inmates are mental and extremely violent. What crime did he commit that he needs to be confined in such a way.This is all about sending a message to Trump no more no less and its a power play I don't care if he's dem or republican this is above and beyond what our laws are supposed to do

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

The assistant AG under Barr said he isn't going to Rikers.

Common_Sense_Matters

It is where they send people BEFORE their trial so that deflates your argument quite nicely I would say. It may be rough there but if petty criminals have to endure it, so can white collar criminals. Maybe this is what we needed all along, to lock up white collar criminals with the average blue collar criminals and maybe corrections reforms will be seriously looked at, worked on and get fast tracked trough.