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Jun 13, 2019 23:38:07   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Okay guys, the political field here in the United States is getting very scary. I for one support the Constitution of the United States, in all its laws. With that being said, there was an enemy of the United States that created their own constitution

Chapter Ten of the USSR consitution reads like this:

"Chapter X : Fundamental Rights and Duties of Citizens
ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance with its quantity and quality.

The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment.

ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure.

The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people.

ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in the case of sickness or loss of capacity to work.

This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.

ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education.

This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people.

ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life.

The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, pre-maternity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

ARTICLE 123. E******y of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law.

Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law :

a) freedom of speech;

b) freedom of the press;

c) freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;

d) freedom of street processions and demonstrations; These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations - trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sport and defence organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.

ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.

ARTICLE 129. The U.S.S.R. affords the right of asylum to foreign citizens persecuted for defending the interests of the working people, or for their scientific activities, or for their struggle for national liberation.

ARTICLE 130. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to abide by the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to observe the laws, to maintain labour discipline, honestly to perform public duties, and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

ARTICLE 131. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to safeguard and strengthen public, socialist property as the sacred and inviolable foundation of the Soviet system, as the source of the wealth and might of the country, as the source of the prosperous and cultured life of all the working people.

Persons committing offences against public, socialist property are enemies of the people.

ARTICLE 132. Universal military service is law.

Military service in the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army is an honourable duty of the citizens of the U.S.S.R.

ARTICLE 133. To def en d the fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. Treason to the country - violation of the oath of allegiance, desertion to the enemy, impairing the military power of the state, espionage - is punishable with all the severity of the law as the most heinous of crimes.



Now, what is scary about this is that all of the Democrats that are running in 2020 support each and everyone of these rules in the USSR constitution. In 1989, the economy of the USSR collapsed. Thus, the USSR was disbanded by Mikhail Gorbachev.

I hear Joe Biden, AOC, and Bernie Sanders preaching these rules. Look, I may be a Trump Supporter. I may be a conservative and a Republican but it is very disturbing when the party I really did respect starts preaching Russian principles. Read the bolded text above, that is the way they run their country, do you Democrats really want to be the USSR, a failed attempt at Socialism?

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Jun 14, 2019 02:40:18   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Okay guys, the political field here in the United States is getting very scary. I for one support the Constitution of the United States, in all its laws. With that being said, there was an enemy of the United States that created their own constitution

Chapter Ten of the USSR consitution reads like this:

"Chapter X : Fundamental Rights and Duties of Citizens
ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance with its quantity and quality.

The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment.

ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure.

The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people.

ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in the case of sickness or loss of capacity to work.

This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.

ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education.

This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people.

ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life.

The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, pre-maternity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

ARTICLE 123. E******y of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law.

Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law :

a) freedom of speech;

b) freedom of the press;

c) freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;

d) freedom of street processions and demonstrations; These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations - trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sport and defence organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.

ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.

ARTICLE 129. The U.S.S.R. affords the right of asylum to foreign citizens persecuted for defending the interests of the working people, or for their scientific activities, or for their struggle for national liberation.

ARTICLE 130. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to abide by the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to observe the laws, to maintain labour discipline, honestly to perform public duties, and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

ARTICLE 131. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to safeguard and strengthen public, socialist property as the sacred and inviolable foundation of the Soviet system, as the source of the wealth and might of the country, as the source of the prosperous and cultured life of all the working people.

Persons committing offences against public, socialist property are enemies of the people.

ARTICLE 132. Universal military service is law.

Military service in the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army is an honourable duty of the citizens of the U.S.S.R.

ARTICLE 133. To def en d the fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. Treason to the country - violation of the oath of allegiance, desertion to the enemy, impairing the military power of the state, espionage - is punishable with all the severity of the law as the most heinous of crimes.



Now, what is scary about this is that all of the Democrats that are running in 2020 support each and everyone of these rules in the USSR constitution. In 1989, the economy of the USSR collapsed. Thus, the USSR was disbanded by Mikhail Gorbachev.

I hear Joe Biden, AOC, and Bernie Sanders preaching these rules. Look, I may be a Trump Supporter. I may be a conservative and a Republican but it is very disturbing when the party I really did respect starts preaching Russian principles. Read the bolded text above, that is the way they run their country, do you Democrats really want to be the USSR, a failed attempt at Socialism?
Okay guys, the political field here in the United ... (show quote)

We've had an economy and society based on a mixture of socialism and capitalism since the thirties. Why then do you assume everything associated with socialism is a slippery slope? If that were the case wouldn't we have slipped long before now?

Much to the chagrin of conservatives we live in a Democracy. How then, can we become socialistic if Capitalism delivers a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace?

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Jun 14, 2019 04:05:55   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
We've had an economy and society based on a mixture of socialism and capitalism since the thirties. Why then do you assume everything associated with socialism is a slippery slope? If that were the case wouldn't we have slipped long before now?

Much to the chagrin of conservatives we live in a Democracy. How then, can we become socialistic if Capitalism delivers a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace?


Capitalism does deliver a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace, why change it?

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Jun 14, 2019 08:58:58   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Capitalism does deliver a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace, why change it?

If that were true there would be no discussion of change. If you can't afford either education or health care then you can't say that capitalism is meeting the needs of the majority...

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Jun 14, 2019 10:17:49   #
Lonewolf
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Okay guys, the political field here in the United States is getting very scary. I for one support the Constitution of the United States, in all its laws. With that being said, there was an enemy of the United States that created their own constitution

Chapter Ten of the USSR consitution reads like this:

"Chapter X : Fundamental Rights and Duties of Citizens
ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance with its quantity and quality.

The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment.

ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure.

The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people.

ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in the case of sickness or loss of capacity to work.

This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.

ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education.

This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people.

ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life.

The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, pre-maternity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

ARTICLE 123. E******y of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law.

Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law :

a) freedom of speech;

b) freedom of the press;

c) freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;

d) freedom of street processions and demonstrations; These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations - trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sport and defence organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.

ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.

ARTICLE 129. The U.S.S.R. affords the right of asylum to foreign citizens persecuted for defending the interests of the working people, or for their scientific activities, or for their struggle for national liberation.

ARTICLE 130. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to abide by the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to observe the laws, to maintain labour discipline, honestly to perform public duties, and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

ARTICLE 131. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to safeguard and strengthen public, socialist property as the sacred and inviolable foundation of the Soviet system, as the source of the wealth and might of the country, as the source of the prosperous and cultured life of all the working people.

Persons committing offences against public, socialist property are enemies of the people.

ARTICLE 132. Universal military service is law.

Military service in the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army is an honourable duty of the citizens of the U.S.S.R.

ARTICLE 133. To def en d the fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. Treason to the country - violation of the oath of allegiance, desertion to the enemy, impairing the military power of the state, espionage - is punishable with all the severity of the law as the most heinous of crimes.



Now, what is scary about this is that all of the Democrats that are running in 2020 support each and everyone of these rules in the USSR constitution. In 1989, the economy of the USSR collapsed. Thus, the USSR was disbanded by Mikhail Gorbachev.

I hear Joe Biden, AOC, and Bernie Sanders preaching these rules. Look, I may be a Trump Supporter. I may be a conservative and a Republican but it is very disturbing when the party I really did respect starts preaching Russian principles. Read the bolded text above, that is the way they run their country, do you Democrats really want to be the USSR, a failed attempt at Socialism?
Okay guys, the political field here in the United ... (show quote)


This is exactly what trump invited when he asked the Russians to support his campaign.
Trumps taxes will show he's broke and beholden to Russia. What president in history be leaves a bloody dictators over his own advisors. What president says when I met Kim it was love at first sight.what president after a meeting with Putin goes around and grabbed everyone's notes and tore them up.
What president insists on meeting Putin with only a Russian interpater in the room.
Trump and his family work for Russia no doubt.

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Jun 14, 2019 11:02:18   #
TrueAmerican
 
PeterS wrote:
We've had an economy and society based on a mixture of socialism and capitalism since the thirties. Why then do you assume everything associated with socialism is a slippery slope? If that were the case wouldn't we have slipped long before now?

Much to the chagrin of conservatives we live in a Democracy. How then, can we become socialistic if Capitalism delivers a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace?


No --- ps we live in a constitutional republic !!!!!!

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Jun 14, 2019 13:16:21   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
PeterS wrote:
Much to the chagrin of conservatives we live in a Democracy.


No. We don’t!

I know this has been explained to you time and again. So let’s flip the script. Convince me, and the rest here that disagree with you, why you keep repeating this. A democracy is rule by a majority, * half plus one * - other than the e******n to House of Representatives, where else does this take place? Certainly not to pass an amendment to the constitution, or, to override a veto by the President, among other things... please, convince me/us.

PeterS wrote:
We've had an economy and society based on a mixture of socialism and capitalism since the thirties. Why then do you assume everything associated with socialism is a slippery slope? If that were the case wouldn't we have slipped long before now?

How then, can we become socialistic if Capitalism delivers a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace?

Pleasant reassurances crop up regularly in commentaries these days to the effect that we now have a "mixed economy." This is good, the commentators say, and a reason why there’ll be continued prosperity along with a measure of stability. The mixed economy, it’s argued, tends to give us the best of both worlds; we can have the productivity of traditional free enterprise combined with the wis­dom and objectivity of an all-wise, all-protective government.

But what reassures people the most is the implication that the major changes in the structuring of the economy are now behind us, and that the present mix is the pattern for the future. We face not socialism, but a rather com­panionable arrangement much like the present, in which certain busi­nesses will be owned and operated by the government, some will be owned and operated by the private sector, while still others will be privately owned and managed but must operate under government control. There’s something in this succotash to please the proponents of every social philosophy, and many of the commentators only stop short of saying that the mixed economy is really the long-sought millennium.

Quite likely, however, the mixed economy is more mirage than mil­lennium. The belief that the econ­omy will continue indefinitely in its present mix is probably an il­lusion based on wishful thinking, because there are too many ideas in force and trends in motion that portend more major changes and continuous adjustments in the direction of increased collectivism. We have not arrived at a "mixed economy"; instead, we are really on a journey toward a thoroughly socialist one. There are several reasons why this is so.

One reason why the mixture will become more socialistic is that socialists are the real archi­tects of the present state of affairs; and in their view, a "mix" is really only a t***sitional phase. This is not to label as "socialist" the legislators and other political leaders of the past few decades who sponsored and v**ed for the laws that changed the economy. Most of them were highly in fa­vor of the traditional American patterns. But the ideas and pro­posals which they adopted were formulated and sk**lfully offered in piecemeal fashion by men who frankly despised capitalism and believed it to be the cause of much human suffering. They were not out to modify the existing sys­tem; they were bent on replacing it; and for the most part, this is still the purpose of the writers and intellectuals who supply most of the basic ideas which later ap­pear as legislation.

The socialists probably won their most important victory with the gradual adoption of their view of property rights — something which may have happened as long as 50 or 75 years ago. They view property possession and control as a privilege granted by the state, revocable at any time the state re­quires use of the property or the holder uses it in a "socially un­desirable" manner. The traditional American view was that property rights were almost as important as a man’s right to life and should be modified only under the most extraordinary circumstances. But the view that property pos­session is a privilege rather than a right gradually won favor. The result has been the extension of government control into every ac­tivity, usually on the grounds that people are abusing their privileges or not meeting their obligations.

Another reason for the contin­uing socialist drift is that the mixed economy has an unstable tendency caused by the pleadings of special interest groups. This in­stability seems unavoidable. The chief tools of the legislators and political managers in dealing with special interest groups are subsi­dies and regulations.

One difficulty with subsidies is that they never quite answer the problems or the wants of those subsidized. At the same time, grants to certain groups always inspire others to seek similar favors. Subsidizing seems to be a self-perpetuating process. The tax­ing and inflation necessary to sub­sidize certain groups soon pinches almost everybody, with the result that further subsidies are de­manded.

The same self-perpetuating proc­ess seems to apply to government regulation, with each special in­terest group pleading for tighter regulation of its competitors or its adversaries but not of its own affairs. Human nature being what it is, such developments are fairly predictable; but in any case they do nothing to stabilize the mix be­tween socialism and freedom. An­other tendency of socialist trends is that once a measure of social­ism is accepted, it continues to grow during prosperity and ad­versity; either condition will pro­pel the economy further down the collectivist pathway. If the econ­omy is prospering, the advocates of central planning quickly take credit and offer the tantalizing suggestion that if some govern­ment intervention has done this much good, more will do even bet­ter. Their cudgel is the memory of 1929 and the Great Depression, and they never tire of resurrect­ing this stupendous disaster and reminding us that only the benev­olent hand of government prevents a repetition.

But what if a 1929 should occur even with the present controls? Socialists would never question whether existing controls helped bring on collapse. They would sim­ply blame the crash on the greed and short-sightedness of managers in the private sector. The business managers’ attempts to protect themselves would be condemned as antisocial. Even in recent busi­ness recessions of brief duration, managers come in for considerable criticism from government officials when they make logical opera­tional adjustments such as inven­tory reductions and staff layoffs. Such criticism may be expected to reach hurricane proportions in the event of a truly deep depression. And the result would be taken as justification for more government control of business activities.

In this kind of a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation, what can individuals do to check the drift toward socialism? It does little good to warn of "creeping" or "galloping" socialism, because most people long ago lost their fear of it. "If this be socialism, let’s have more of it!" they say, when praising the merits of a pet program. It also is of little avail to defeat specific socialist measures, for collectivism has been accepted up and down the line and persists as a hydra-headed monster. An individual who defeats it on one issue looks up to find ten new issues confronting him. Nor does it help much to point to the fail­ures of socialism in other coun­tries, because many feel that it’s not a fair comparison. They say that the U.S., with its vastly su­perior technology and resources, has the edge on many smaller countries. The achievements of the free enterprise system ought to be a good argument against inter­vention, but people prefer to be­lieve that competitive enterprise will continue to produce lavishly no matter how much it is altered and regimented.

Possibly there is no way to halt the socialistic trend at this mo­ment. No way has been found for a country to remain in a condi­tion of freedom when a large num­ber of its citizens favor certain forms of socialism; sooner or later, their feelings are bound to become expressed in the laws and economy of the country. These feelings may be based on false hopes and deceptions foisted upon them by unscrupulous leaders and clever propagandists; but if false ideas are accepted, they are for a time the reality one has to face. Though it may be clear to a few in­dividuals that these false ideas will someday produce grim results, there’s little that can be done if the majority insists that bad ideas and bad laws must run their course.

There is hope, however, in the good common sense of individuals, which can be trusted in the long run to spot falsehood and to do something about it. There’s been considerable disillusionment lately with majority rule, which many had thought to be a panacea for the world’s problems. Majorities, it’s being learned, can institute tyrannies quite as harsh as those imposed by one-man despotisms. But individuals can learn to do better than they have done, and so can ruling majorities. This cor­recting process may not work smoothly and automatically, and for a time the power of the ma­jority in the United States may even be supplanted by a ruling elite, as seems to be happening now in Britain. Yet the long term future for good ideas is bright, for the simple reason that freedom works, while regimentation fails.

T***h is not determined by a show of hands, and the fact that people will not v**e for what is right does not destroy the t***h. Crushed to earth, t***h always rises again and challenges men to re-examine what they have done. That will be easier to do, in social affairs, if believers in the ideas of freedom stick to their principles and forget such passing illusions as the belief in the permanency of the mixed economy.

By: Melvin D. Barger

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Jun 14, 2019 13:33:06   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Okay guys, the political field here in the United States is getting very scary. I for one support the Constitution of the United States, in all its laws. With that being said, there was an enemy of the United States that created their own constitution

Chapter Ten of the USSR consitution reads like this:

"Chapter X : Fundamental Rights and Duties of Citizens
ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance with its quantity and quality.

The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment.

ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure.

The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people.

ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in the case of sickness or loss of capacity to work.

This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.

ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education.

This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people.

ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life.

The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, pre-maternity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

ARTICLE 123. E******y of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law.

Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law :

a) freedom of speech;

b) freedom of the press;

c) freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;

d) freedom of street processions and demonstrations; These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations - trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sport and defence organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.

ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.

ARTICLE 129. The U.S.S.R. affords the right of asylum to foreign citizens persecuted for defending the interests of the working people, or for their scientific activities, or for their struggle for national liberation.

ARTICLE 130. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to abide by the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to observe the laws, to maintain labour discipline, honestly to perform public duties, and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

ARTICLE 131. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to safeguard and strengthen public, socialist property as the sacred and inviolable foundation of the Soviet system, as the source of the wealth and might of the country, as the source of the prosperous and cultured life of all the working people.

Persons committing offences against public, socialist property are enemies of the people.

ARTICLE 132. Universal military service is law.

Military service in the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army is an honourable duty of the citizens of the U.S.S.R.

ARTICLE 133. To def en d the fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. Treason to the country - violation of the oath of allegiance, desertion to the enemy, impairing the military power of the state, espionage - is punishable with all the severity of the law as the most heinous of crimes.



Now, what is scary about this is that all of the Democrats that are running in 2020 support each and everyone of these rules in the USSR constitution. In 1989, the economy of the USSR collapsed. Thus, the USSR was disbanded by Mikhail Gorbachev.

I hear Joe Biden, AOC, and Bernie Sanders preaching these rules. Look, I may be a Trump Supporter. I may be a conservative and a Republican but it is very disturbing when the party I really did respect starts preaching Russian principles. Read the bolded text above, that is the way they run their country, do you Democrats really want to be the USSR, a failed attempt at Socialism?
Okay guys, the political field here in the United ... (show quote)


Sadly......"Way too many", Demoncrat v**ers, are of extremely low IQ, & don't really "shiv a git".....as long as they are promised a bunch of free crap, & no prosecution of just about every law. It's the "New", Demoncrat Party! Welcome to Sodom, & Gomorrah.....Modern age!

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Jun 14, 2019 13:57:11   #
Cuda2020
 
PeterS wrote:
We've had an economy and society based on a mixture of socialism and capitalism since the thirties. Why then do you assume everything associated with socialism is a slippery slope? If that were the case wouldn't we have slipped long before now?

Much to the chagrin of conservatives we live in a Democracy. How then, can we become socialistic if Capitalism delivers a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace?


The right is busy instilling fears from the past. The USSR was under a dictatorship which is what a socialist structure is akin to in the past. It’s an unreasonable argument made only to deter people from v****g for a candidate from the Democratic Party. Democrats enjoy the benefits of capitalism just as much as the right, the only difference I see are the two different ideologies behind them. One following Ayn Rand, eat or be eaten, or we are a village and though we work and grow independently we also support one another.

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Jun 14, 2019 15:22:34   #
Ricktloml
 
[quote=Ranger7374]Okay guys, the political field here in the United States is getting very scary. I for one support the Constitution of the United States, in all its laws. With that being said, there was an enemy of the United States that created their own constitution

Chapter Ten of the USSR consitution reads like this:

"Chapter X : Fundamental Rights and Duties of Citizens
ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance with its quantity and quality.

The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment.

ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure.

The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people.

ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in the case of sickness or loss of capacity to work.

This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.

ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education.

This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native language, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people.

ARTICLE 122. Women in the U.S.S.R. are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life.

The possibility of exercising these rights is ensured to women by granting them an equal right with men to work, payment for work, rest and leisure, social insurance and education, and by state protection of the interests of mother and child, pre-maternity and maternity leave with full pay, and the provision of a wide network of maternity homes, nurseries and kindergartens.

ARTICLE 123. E******y of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law.

Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.

ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law :

a) freedom of speech;

b) freedom of the press;

c) freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;

d) freedom of street processions and demonstrations; These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations - trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sport and defence organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.

ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.

ARTICLE 129. The U.S.S.R. affords the right of asylum to foreign citizens persecuted for defending the interests of the working people, or for their scientific activities, or for their struggle for national liberation.

ARTICLE 130. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to abide by the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to observe the laws, to maintain labour discipline, honestly to perform public duties, and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

ARTICLE 131. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to safeguard and strengthen public, socialist property as the sacred and inviolable foundation of the Soviet system, as the source of the wealth and might of the country, as the source of the prosperous and cultured life of all the working people.

Persons committing offences against public, socialist property are enemies of the people.

ARTICLE 132. Universal military service is law.

Military service in the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army is an honourable duty of the citizens of the U.S.S.R.

ARTICLE 133. To def en d the fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. Treason to the country - violation of the oath of allegiance, desertion to the enemy, impairing the military power of the state, espionage - is punishable with all the severity of the law as the most heinous of crimes.



Now, what is scary about this is that all of the Democrats that are running in 2020 support each and everyone of these rules in the USSR constitution. In 1989, the economy of the USSR collapsed. Thus, the USSR was disbanded by Mikhail Gorbachev.

I hear Joe Biden, AOC, and Bernie Sanders preaching these rules. Look, I may be a Trump Supporter. I may be a conservative and a Republican but it is very disturbing when the party I really did respect starts preaching Russian principles. Read the bolded text above, that is the way they run their country, do you Democrats really want to be the USSR, a failed attempt at Socialism?[/quote

All these in the Democrat/socialist Party are promising the same false promises that the USSR, and more recently Hugo Chavez promised Venezuela. And should they fool enough people, we will get the same results that all these countries have.

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Jun 15, 2019 10:57:04   #
Seth
 
PeterS wrote:
If that were true there would be no discussion of change. If you can't afford either education or health care then you can't say that capitalism is meeting the needs of the majority...


The very thinking you espouse, Peter, did not originate in the United States, at least not among average Americans.

It is planted material, run like a tape loop by a socialist controlled education system and a gullible mainstream media, as well as dupes and dumbjohns in Hollywood who are so far removed from the realities of everyday Americans that what they think isn't even relevant.

The entire socialism oriented doctrine of the Democrats, the hammering of left wing thought and propaganda you defend comes right out of the Marxist playbook. The same things were done in iron curtain countries to indoctrinate their youth and propagandize the adults.

Capitalism creates boundless opportunity when government isn't taxing and regulating it into the ground, treating it as evil and running it out of the country while essentially bribing large segments of society with entitlements as a way of dissuading them from seeking their respective pieces of said opportunity through hard work and the drive to be independent.

Look around you.

Millions of immigrants from places like India, China and Africa are taking advantage of our capitalist system, starting at the bottom, working hard and becoming successful while Americans who think like you do remain financially stagnant because they are spoiled, expecting their country to hand them everything on a platter.

Isn't it interesting that since Trump cut corporate taxes and s**tcanned Obama's job k*****g regulations, employers are actually having a rough time filling newly created employment openings and, having to compete for good employees, raising compensation without government having to artificially inflate wages?

What you and the rest of the portsiders here don't seem to comprehend is that the lot of you are "Johnny-come-latelies," that the country was running much more smoothly before this new breed of Democrats came along to sabotage what was working and that the problems you believe we still have were created, to begin with, by the very politicians who needed them to push their anti-capitalist agenda.

The largest obstacle today's Democrats face to actually achieving anything but fleeting power in Washington is their (like your) total lack of understanding of human nature and, for that matter, the nature of the American people as a whole.

But that's okay, November 2020 is only 17 months away, and at that time what I said above will be borne out as the Democrats are once again v**ed to minority status.

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Jun 15, 2019 12:36:07   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
PeterS wrote:
We've had an economy and society based on a mixture of socialism and capitalism since the thirties. Why then do you assume everything associated with socialism is a slippery slope? If that were the case wouldn't we have slipped long before now?

Much to the chagrin of conservatives we live in a Democracy. How then, can we become socialistic if Capitalism delivers a sufficient quality of life for the majority of our populace?


We live in a Republic not a democracy. You should learn about the difference's between the two.

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Jun 15, 2019 12:38:27   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Lonewolf wrote:
This is exactly what trump invited when he asked the Russians to support his campaign.
Trumps taxes will show he's broke and beholden to Russia. What president in history be leaves a bloody dictators over his own advisors. What president says when I met Kim it was love at first sight.what president after a meeting with Putin goes around and grabbed everyone's notes and tore them up.
What president insists on meeting Putin with only a Russian interpater in the room.
Trump and his family work for Russia no doubt.
This is exactly what trump invited when he asked t... (show quote)


No doubt you live in a fairy land with out any rational thoughts.

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Jun 15, 2019 14:09:02   #
PeterS
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
No --- ps we live in a constitutional republic !!!!!!

Good. Then you don't need to v**e in the next e******n!

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Jun 15, 2019 14:17:03   #
PeterS
 
Louie27 wrote:
We live in a Republic not a democracy. You should learn about the difference's between the two.

A republic is a form of democracy. Ours shares the principles of a Republic and a Democracy.

Snip>>I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to v**e for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

For those who deny us being a democracy simply need to not v**e in the next e******n. Do that and I will agree that we are a republic. But v**e, and you agree with me that we are a democracy...

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