Why the Constitution created Checks and Balances.
Jun 12, 2019 22:13:30 #
son of witless wrote:
With pleasure. During the aftermath of B******i The Obama Administration blamed the murders on a Video. That was a lie. Inadequate security despite pleas from Ambassador Stevens for more security. The Clinton Foundation getting contributions from the Russians prior to the Uranium One takeover by Russia. The appearance of conflict of interest. The Hillary E-Mail scandal.
Ah, okay, conspiracy theory then, gotcha.
Jun 12, 2019 22:23:58 #
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Ah, okay, conspiracy theory then, gotcha.
No theory, just fact. The Obama Administration's lack of security doomed the Consulate. Hillary ran an illegal E-Mail server.
Jun 12, 2019 22:32:35 #
son of witless wrote:
No theory, just fact. The Obama Administration's lack of security doomed the Consulate. Hillary ran an illegal E-Mail server.
This one is a troll. Leave it!
Jun 12, 2019 23:04:28 #
son of witless wrote:
No theory, just fact. The Obama Administration's lack of security doomed the Consulate. Hillary ran an illegal E-Mail server.
It has been investigated 10 times, 6 of which by Republicans and none found any wrong doing on either Obama's part or on Hillary's part so stop believing all the conspiracy theories about B******i, that ship has sailed, no wrong doing. Was the ball dropped? Yes, was either of them responsible? No, get over it and quit your crying.
As for the e-mail scandal, where is your outrage that Trump administration officials are doing the same thing? You are aware that even Ivanka and Jared are using private servers for official business right? With all the b***hing and crying about it Trump has done, you would think that he would be cracking down on his own administration officials doing the same thing. I guess it is only a crime if you are a Democrat, huh?
You have failed to prove this lying, could it be because you have no proof?
Jun 12, 2019 23:10:49 #
zombinis3
Loc: Southwest
son of witless wrote:
No theory, just fact. The Obama Administration's lack of security doomed the Consulate. Hillary ran an illegal E-Mail server.
Three points on B******i one Obama requested funds but congress didn't give it, two the location he was k**led at was temporary so it didn't qualify for funds. Three the main building was improved.
Here is a quote from the article;
"The State Department made some upgrades to the facility, such as increasing the height of perimeter walls, but the outpost in B******i was designated as a temporary facility. It did not have to meet State Department security standards of other full-time offices, and it was ineligible for some security upgrade money."
But it also determined that the fund shortages weren't the only reason it also stated that it was upper management and the decisions made.
Ronan Farrow says inadequate security funding from Congress leads to tragedies like B******i | PunditFact
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/may/13/ronan-farrow/ronan-farrow-says-inadequate-security-funding-cong/
State Department under Hillary Clinton refused security requests for B******i, Paul Ryan says | PolitiFact Wisconsin
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/oct/07/paul-ryan/state-department-under-hillary-clinton-refused-sec/
Jun 12, 2019 23:29:18 #
Crayons
Loc: St Jo, Texas
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
You have failed to prove this lying, could it be because you have no proof?
It was proven during "Erica the With-Holder of Justice" tenure, That serial numbered weapons from NM and AZ
were tracked through Mexico all the way through Angola to Syria and even some of the same lot were traced to the huge massacre in France...and those few republicans you reference were nothin more that neocon trotsky RINO's
who were only tryin to cover their own butts
Jun 13, 2019 00:32:41 #
Airforceone wrote:
(YES TRUMP SUPPORTERS THE WORD OVERSIGHT IS NOT USED IN THE CONSTITUTION BUT CHECKS AND BALANCES IS USED)
So is the E*******l College. (YES TRUMP SUPPORTERS THE WORD OVERSIGHT IS NOT USED IN THE CONSTITUTION BUT CHECKS AND BALANCES IS USED)
Jun 13, 2019 01:30:41 #
Crayons wrote:
It was proven during "Erica the With-Holder of Justice" tenure, That serial numbered weapons from NM and AZ
were tracked through Mexico all the way through Angola to Syria and even some of the same lot were traced to the huge massacre in France...and those few republicans you reference were nothin more that neocon trotsky RINO's
who were only tryin to cover their own butts
were tracked through Mexico all the way through Angola to Syria and even some of the same lot were traced to the huge massacre in France...and those few republicans you reference were nothin more that neocon trotsky RINO's
who were only tryin to cover their own butts
You do know that program was created under Bush's administration, right?
Jun 13, 2019 01:59:27 #
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Not true. Fast And Furious Did Not Begin Under President BushYou do know that program was created under Bush's administration, right?
Operation Wide Receiver, the Bush operation was run out of Tucson between 2006 and 2007, ending before Bush left office and before Fast and Furious began under Obama in 2009. The differences between it and Fast and Furious are vast, starting with the fact that Wide Receiver produced no dead bodies.
Operation Wide Receiver used the common law enforcement tactic of "controlled delivery" in which the illegal sales of weapons were allowed to take place, the movements of the weapons were closely monitored and the end purchasers were then apprehended. It involved gun-tracing, not gun-walking.
Under the "controlled delivery" of Wide Receiver, agents didn't just write down the serial numbers and let the guns disappear as in Fast and Furious. They closely and physically followed the guns from American dealers to straw purchasers to Mexican buyers.
Most importantly, Wide Receiver was run in close cooperation with Mexican authorities, who were kept in the dark on Fast and Furious.
In contrast ATF agents involved in Fast and Furious have testified that they were ordered not to track the weapons and in cases where interdiction was possible they were ordered to stand down and actually watch the weapons walk.
ATF Special Agent John Dodson has testified how in one instance guns were sold to known illegal buyers who took them to a stash house. Against orders from his superiors, Dodson kept the stash house under surveillance and when a vehicle showed up to t***sfer the weapons to their ultimate destination, he called for an interdiction team to move in, seize the weapons and arrest the traffickers. His superiors refused, and the guns disappeared without surveillance.
Jun 13, 2019 03:21:03 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Not true. url=https://www.investors.com/politics/... (show quote)
Quote:
TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - We've all heard about Operation Fast and Furious and how federal authorities illegally let guns walk into Mexico.
What we haven't heard about is the operation that started it all ... right here in Tucson.
It's called Operation Wide Receiver, a much smaller version of its more well-known successor -though just as botched, according to at least one former ATF informant.
What we haven't heard about is the operation that started it all ... right here in Tucson.
It's called Operation Wide Receiver, a much smaller version of its more well-known successor -though just as botched, according to at least one former ATF informant.
Both operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner.
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"So the following Monday morning I contacted an agent at the Tucson headquarters for ATF downtown, the federal building," Detty says. "And he asked me to come in, bring my paperwork and talk with him. That was the beginning of Operation Wide Receiver."
Operation Wide Receiver started in 2006 and predated Fast and Furious by about two years.
Operation Wide Receiver started in 2006 and predated Fast and Furious by about two years.
Yes, they had different operational names and perhaps the first one was conducted a bit better, but they were both flawed, both were conducted by the same agency and neither of the programs were initiated by high ranking administration officials in Washington. The faults lie with the ATF. Do the incidentals cross high level administration officials' desks? Yes, but as much as crosses their desks, do we really expect that they know all the details unless a real issue arises that grabs their attention?
Edit: As for the assertion, "The differences between it and Fast and Furious are vast, starting with the fact that Wide Receiver produced no dead bodies.". How very naive of you, you do know what guns are used for do you not? Just because we don't know how many and who, doesn't mean there isn't a body count.
Just in case you decide to use the cop out that all the guns were accounted for, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-17/the-guns-that-got-away
There was also the point you claimed that there was close coordination on the "Wide Receiver" operation with Mexican officials but even that claim is disputed, https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/emails-rebuff-republican-suggestion-that-bush-era-gun-walking-was-always-coordinated-with-mexico
Jun 13, 2019 03:32:45 #
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Yes, they had different operational names and perh... (show quote)
Fast and Furious / Project Gunrunner
Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation Part I of III
Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation Part II of III
Jun 13, 2019 03:43:13 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
First link is rehash of already known facts, second link I downloaded for later perusal as I have no intention of reading 212 pages at this late hour. Please look over my last minute edit on previous post.
Jun 13, 2019 06:34:50 #
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Does the House NOT have the authority to initiate impeachment proceedings? Does the Senate NOT have the authority to Try a president for high crimes and misdemeanors? How can congress be expected to conduct those tasks if they had not the authority to conduct investigations? Think before you type.
Your statement proves my point. The Democrats want to initiate investigations in all directions in hopes of finding grounds for impeachment. Their goal has never been legitimate oversight, but impeachment. They said that before he took office. They have the power to impeach, but the do not have the right to impeach out of h**e and with the sole goal of destroying a political enemy. I will not ask you to think before responding, because that would be asking the impossible. You will just repeat all the left wing talking points.
Jun 13, 2019 06:58:19 #
Ronald Hatt
Loc: Lansing, Mich
Airforceone wrote:
Well as I read the right wing using there out of t... (show quote)
Where was the "oversight", on the Clinton Cartel, & the Russia connection?..... The 33,000+ erased e-mails, from "K**lery"? The oversight on the half "million"$ paid to slick perverted Willie, & monies "flow into" the Clinton Foundation, from many of America's enemies around the world? Where was the "oversight", on Hillary, that bashed, & destroyed a dozen communication devices? ** How about Hillary, as Secretary of state, selling 20% of America's Plutonium, to the { WHO?}....The Russians, & the 175 million going into the Clinton Coffers?**{where are these "Checks & balances"?} You Libtards, are about to "realize", Justice....Mr Barr is going to educamate you left wing nut cases, as to the criminality of your entire party......they have started with the FBI, CIA, DNC, & the Clinton Foundation, the t***h about the Obama Admn. & it's criminality........Y'all, are going to be "Jerked out of your pants, with integrity, & Realization!
It's coming to a court near you......get yourself a good seat! You gunna "love" what happens next!
Why do you "SLiberals", always ignore the obvious criminality of your defunct party?.....
Jun 13, 2019 07:58:13 #
Airforceone wrote:
Well as I read the right wing using there out of t... (show quote)
Could you tell me where those checks and balances were for the 8 of obama? I didn't see it when he was allowed to send over 2,000 weapons to the worst bunch of murderers this side of the Pecos and the other side too. With a gutless Congress finding his Attorney General in contempt of Congress then not prosecute letting over 600 k*****gs go without justice. I didn't see them when he murdered thousands of innocent including 500 children all across Africa Or when he murdered American children without due process. I didn't see them when he pulled his genocide of 130,000 of the ones he told America he had to save. I haven't seen either one, check or balance since the Patriot Act. It sure is funny that some SOB that missed all obama's out right treasonous acts, criminal doings,and Constitution violations now thinks he's some Constitutional expert
This is the crap that is just more reason for a bloody Revolution. Dirty obama gets away with genocide, illegal wars, TREASON arming Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, ISIS, and even the drug cartels, sent billions in cash to Iran with out authority and sold our uranium to Russia while screwing our allies at every opportunity This slug should have rotted from the tree by now and you are l*****t enough to say Trump violated the Constitution. You wouldn't know the Constitution if it walked up, introduced it's self then slapped the s**t out of you. Just a bad joke.
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