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Texas Governor Signs Sweeping New Law Protecting Free Speech On College Campuses
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Jun 11, 2019 16:57:37   #
Morgan
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Public and private business isn't bound by the 1st amendment, only the government is.


I believe who can speak on campus should be up to Campus administration and depending on the topic they should be able to refuse. If a person of the KKK or the alt-right wants to hold a meeting in the public square on a public Campus, they should be able to turn it down, with the intention of avoiding a r**t on campus.

If they can't be allowed to do that who is then held responsible for the outcome and the damages that may occur, not to mention people possibly being k**led as with that last KKK in VA.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:01:21   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
Its both and most people know that. This topic is about what's happening in Texas not about what Trump's done.


Liberty Tree wrote:
If it was not for today's liberals none of this would be necessary. They are the greatest h**ers of the Constitution as intended by our founders, especially the Bill of Rights.


Liberals being blamed yet no blame being laid on conservatives.

debeda wrote:
Good for Texas
I think the Trump administration is addressing the techies with antitrust (bout time!)


Trump being named specifically as one that is working towards bringing 1st amendment to the internet, something that can't really be done, nor should it be, as it would require some form threats of banning those sites, something that would be unthinkable. Doesn't that go against conservative values even, well, traditional conservative values anyways. Traditional conservatives do not believe in over-regulating business.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:21:33   #
Morgan
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Trump being named specifically as one that is working towards bringing 1st amendment to the internet, something that can't really be done, nor should it be, as it would require some form threats of banning those sites, something that would be unthinkable. Doesn't that go against conservative values even, well, traditional conservative values anyways. Traditional conservatives do not believe in over-regulating business.


On the topic of free speech wouldn't that null and void gag orders of public research offices? As in Trump withholding public information from the EPA?

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Jun 11, 2019 17:35:41   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Trump being named specifically as one that is working towards bringing 1st amendment to the internet, something that can't really be done, nor should it be, as it would require some form threats of banning those sites, something that would be unthinkable. Doesn't that go against conservative values even, well, traditional conservative values anyways. Traditional conservatives do not believe in over-regulating business.


Yes it should be done. There was a time when liberals would be championing free speech everywhere. Many conservatives are more liberal than today's liberals with regards to free speech.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:56:06   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yes it should be done. There was a time when liberals would be championing free speech everywhere. Many conservatives are more liberal than today's liberals with regards to free speech.


There you go again Rose with these crazy opinions.

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Jun 11, 2019 18:12:11   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
There you go again Rose with these crazy opinions.


Absolutely not. I don't hear any liberals complaining about clamping down on freedom of speech because its not happening to them.

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Jun 11, 2019 18:13:06   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Trump being named specifically as one that is working towards bringing 1st amendment to the internet, something that can't really be done, nor should it be, as it would require some form threats of banning those sites, something that would be unthinkable. Doesn't that go against conservative values even, well, traditional conservative values anyways. Traditional conservatives do not believe in over-regulating business.


Conservatives are being banned in droves now

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Jun 11, 2019 18:24:12   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yes it should be done. There was a time when liberals would be championing free speech everywhere. Many conservatives are more liberal than today's liberals with regards to free speech.


No, Government should NOT be poking their nose into internet based business. Once they get their foot in the door, where will it stop? I am fine with monitoring for fraud on the internet, policing potential human trafficking or other criminal activity on the internet, but policing free speech which internet sites are NOT bound by the 1st amendment nor should they be, the government is the only entity bound by the 1st amendment, as it should be.

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Jun 11, 2019 18:27:33   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
debeda wrote:
Conservatives are being banned in droves now


Nothing to be done about it. It isn't conservative views being banned, it is how extreme the views are, and how those views are being expressed that is initiating these bans, that and if one is choosing to push f**e news. Stay within the ToS of these sites and I will bet you won't get banned.

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Jun 11, 2019 18:31:50   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nothing to be done about it. It isn't conservative views being banned, it is how extreme the views are, and how those views are being expressed that is initiating these bans, that and if one is choosing to push f**e news. Stay within the ToS of these sites and I will bet you won't get banned.


to me the libbie views are FAR more extreme. S**k of hearing them everywhere while conservatives get silenced

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Jun 11, 2019 18:32:43   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
Absolutely not. I don't hear any liberals complaining about clamping down on freedom of speech because its not happening to them.


Perhaps it is because they don't want to infringe upon a business' right to enforce their Tos'. There are Tos' for a reason, to be adhered to, not ignored, you comply or they have the right to ban you. Are you implying that we have the right to tell these businesses that they are NOT permitted to enforce compliance with their ToS?

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Jun 11, 2019 18:34:01   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
debeda wrote:
to me the libbie views are FAR more extreme. S**k of hearing them everywhere while conservatives get silenced


If you think a liberal's views are NOT in compliance with the site's ToS, report them to the site by all means.

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Jun 11, 2019 18:44:58   #
Rose42
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
No, Government should NOT be poking their nose into internet based business. Once they get their foot in the door, where will it stop? I am fine with monitoring for fraud on the internet, policing potential human trafficking or other criminal activity on the internet, but policing free speech which internet sites are NOT bound by the 1st amendment nor should they be, the government is the only entity bound by the 1st amendment, as it should be.


That is your opinion.

Their foot is already in the door. Its naive to think it isn't and that Google and other companies aren't working with the government. Of course they are. The internet evolved from Arpanet. Do you really think NSA doesn't have its fingers in it? They have their fingers in everything.

The Obama administration tried to protect net neutrality, the Trump administration nixed it.

The liberal company Google which owns Youtube doesn't like PragerU videos so they censor them. I don't normally watch their videos but have seen a few of the censored ones and saw no violation of terms. Yet they freely allow porn and absolute garbage do they not? Yes they do. It would be different if they were even handed but they aren't. PragerU is suing Google and more power to them.

Google was working on a search engine to censor content for China. I don't know if they're still working on it.

Liberals only give lip service to free speech anymore. I've no doubt conservatives would do the same if the situation were reversed. I don't pretend to know how to solve it but I do know that the public could pressure Facebook and Google to change their ways. Most people are ignorant of how they operate and the scale of their censorship.

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Jun 11, 2019 19:00:45   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
Rose42 wrote:
That is your opinion.

Their foot is already in the door. Its naive to think it isn't and that Google and other companies aren't working with the government. Of course they are. The internet evolved from Arpanet. Do you really think NSA doesn't have its fingers in it? They have their fingers in everything.

The Obama administration tried to protect net neutrality, the Trump administration nixed it.

The liberal company Google which owns Youtube doesn't like PragerU videos so they censor them. I don't normally watch their videos but have seen a few of the censored ones and saw no violation of terms. Yet they freely allow porn and absolute garbage do they not? Yes they do. It would be different if they were even handed but they aren't. PragerU is suing Google and more power to them.

Google was working on a search engine to censor content for China. I don't know if they're still working on it.

Liberals only give lip service to free speech anymore. I've no doubt conservatives would do the same if the situation were reversed. I don't pretend to know how to solve it but I do know that the public could pressure Facebook and Google to change their ways. Most people are ignorant of how they operate and the scale of their censorship.
That is your opinion. br br Their foot is already... (show quote)


I have never watched PragerU videos so I can only take your word on those and I have also not noticed porn on Youtube, probably because I have never looked for porn on Youtube. If you see something that violates their ToS, feel free to report it.

As for "Google was working on a search engine to censor content for China. I don't know if they're still working on it.", China asked specifically for it and it is something that THEIR government condones, ours does not. Our government is supposed to be based on freedoms, shouldn't we stand behind those freedoms? Do you really endorse censorship, banning sites from our internet? Once we start down that road, where will it stop? Someone complains to their representatives about OPP and *poof*, OPP is gone, does that sound good to you?

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Jun 11, 2019 19:29:48   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
If you think a liberal's views are NOT in compliance with the site's ToS, report them to the site by all means.



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