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Jun 13, 2019 09:51:33   #
Morgan
 
bahmer wrote:
why is it so sad at least with the old time classic liberal you could reasonably discuss things and come up with plans together with conservatives with just a little give and take on both sides. That was the way it used to be and the country functioned quite well that way. Now with the super liberal left wing socialist type it is constant stalemate and nothing gets done and nothing gets accomplished because one side is so far out that it is like they left the plantation or something. You need to bring your side back and have more normal discussions instead of far out left field demands all the time.
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That's not what I was referring to, it was in reference to putting the wants and desires of a party before country. Party's have to stop grabbing for full control. We need to be a balanced government, not a one-sided party platform, that ignores more than half of the population.

You are still blaming one party. If we both want to get back to a balanced government, both need to listen to the other and flex, rigidity doesn't work, either side has to be able to come to the table and find a compromise, and some old fashion give and take, I agree with you there.

Where do I bring up far left field demands? I don't recall demanding anything on a topic, not my style. I guess it could happen if I felt very strongly about something. I admit I do get strong about protections for the environment.

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Jun 16, 2019 23:16:13   #
debeda
 
Morgan wrote:
This is just a start, I'm open to suggestions from all, the issue of a******n is a hot issue and off the table for now.

These are just some things off the top of my head.Let's all just try and be civil please, humor is appreciated


Many of us would like to see term limits for all reps and the number of times to be reelected.

To see a push for one official language and everyone who comes in to blend with the one common language, no preferences. Language is the thread that ties us all together as one unified nation, two languages won't do that.

Immigration, I would do what other countries do such as Canada, there would be a five-year wait, even with marriage.
No automatic citizenship simply due to being born on our soil, at least one parent has to be a citizen, either natural born or naturized.

I would end gerrymandering

End any exchange of monies from gifts or trade with lobbyist.

Check the integrity of all v****g methods

Reevaluate the e*******l count. No decisions until all v**es are in, have absent ballads be counted first so they are always included. Find a better order to count the states. California should not be one of the last, that eliminates too many people.

Pass a law that whenever there is a cost of living increase every year, that includes increasing the minimum wage, therby avoiding what we have going on now, a possible jump as we will see now can hurt industries. If maintained yearly this wouldn't happen.

Set some environmental regulations to counter g****l w*****g.

Promote healthcare to be a choice of either public or private.

Rein in profit gouging from big Pharma, that we pay the same as our foreign neighbors and not ten times more.

Have different ratings on violence in movies and gaming and to discourage extreme graphic violence from the industry.

As foreign affairs goes, not sure and open to suggestions,

Protect our wildlife preserves, our waters, and air.

Promote more means to recycle garbage from landfills and water.
This is just a start, I'm open to suggestions from... (show quote)


Agree with all. I believe most are already on the Republican platform, tho.
I would like to see our asylum and refugee laws reassessed, and perhaps keeping better track of these people. In other words the same laws would apply to them as to immigrants going through the system.
I would also like to see a return to FCC rules of equal time, so more of us can feel we're getting fair reporting.
I'd also like to see more accountability in Congress, too many on both sides of the aisle will flip on an issue for unknown reasons, leaving their constituents frustrated and powerless.
I would also like a pony for Christmas

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Jun 16, 2019 23:17:47   #
debeda
 
Rose42 wrote:
This sounds mostly good and they should be goals for both parties. Can we add to that getting rid of lobbies? If not how about making it illegal to appoint former lobbyists to government positions as Trump has done - and others - but Trump has taken it to new heights if I recall correctly.

Moldy posted something interesting about garbage recycling a while back but I can't find it. It looked promising.

Definitely need environmental controls. But we can't go overboard to the point where people's lives are put in turmoil. There has to be a balance. IMO this is another good reason to get rid of lobbyists. Big Oil has a powerful lobby. For now alternative energy is dependent on Big Oil and they know it.

How about when Congress can't balance the budget they get a fine. Maybe they'll take it more seriously. When their time is up they go back to the same healthcare the rest of us get. No special privileges.

One more - how about less control by Big Agriculture - particularly Monsanto. They have way too much control over our food. Small farms are squeezed out in favor of corporate farms.

A few off the top of my head.
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Those are good ones, Rose! Food for thought

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Jun 16, 2019 23:18:45   #
debeda
 
Hadenough wrote:
Morgan,

Great list, as far as foreign affairs go we need to cut back on foreign aid, especially when we are borrowing money.
Cut foreign aid to countries that don’t discourage i*****l i*********n. We need to curtail being the police for the world.


Yes, that is certainly a key issue

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Jun 16, 2019 23:22:38   #
debeda
 
emarine wrote:
I personally think there should be an open season for prodding lobbyists with pitchforks... as long as there is no h**e involved … just pure fun... ...


and torches? Like the old Frankenstein movies

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Jun 16, 2019 23:24:04   #
debeda
 
maryjane wrote:
I would add these. 1. End all legal immigration other than business and tourists, for at least 25 years to give us breathing space to get our country back on track and force assimulation of those millions already here. 2. Stop any/all government/public actions in anything but English (printing documents, reading and speaking the citizenship oath in English only/no interpreters/no changes in the oath for anyone for any reason, no drivers licenses without proficiency in English and proof of auto insurance and proof of citizenship. 3. Do all things needed to guard every inch of our southern border 24/7 and let no unauthorized foreigners into the USA for any reason, including women and children/no entry, period. 4. Provide each involved nation and embassy with a list of all their unaccompanied minor citizens in our country illegally and give them two weeks to prepare to accept custody of their minor citizens for immediate t***sport home. Do this with all minors in detention and all those arriving daily. Once caught up, start rounding up those already in our country. T***sport of the minors and t***sfer of custody to their embassy here and observation of removal from the USA will be handled and observed by border ICE agents and/or US Marshalls. 5. We need Congress to create law: 1. Ending chain migration, Visa lottery, giving preference to third world nations for immigrants, 2. Ending citizenship for refugees/asylees. Restricting grants of refuge/asylum to proof of government persecution based on religion, political views, no more stupid reasons like gangs/poverty/abuse/lack of jobs/climate/death in family/poor government
I would add these. 1. End all legal immigration ... (show quote)


Those are good

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Jun 16, 2019 23:25:19   #
debeda
 
JFlorio wrote:
As I said before you come across as an "old time" classic liberal. That is someone who has differing views from us dyed in the wool conservatives but wants what's best for the country. Many of our goals are the same. We just see different ways of reaching them. My dad used to say (he was a football coach) that there were many ways to get a football across the goal line, Each way was worth six points, so you kids, usually my sister and I, shut up and quit arguing. Todays left is not about country, they seem to be more about everyone else's country. It also seems to me way to many people and especially politicians on both sides are more about party than country.
As I said before you come across as an "old t... (show quote)


Well said, JFlorio, and AGREED

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Jun 16, 2019 23:29:34   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
My friend, can't you see that moderates from either/both sides see the problem just as prevalent from the ultra conservatively zealous political partisans

For example, it was failed Indiana GOP Senatorial candidate Richard Mourdock who was quoted as saying, "I have a mindset that says bi-partisanship ought to consist of democrats coming to the republican point of view."

That particular quote was considered a major factor for his defeat in a predominately red state, and rightfully so.
My friend, can't you see that moderates from eithe... (show quote)


I dunno, it seems, at least at the federal level, that moderates no longer exist. And honestly, in Washington, as so often here on OPP, any disagreement with the "progressive" point of view results in a charge of being far right, alt right, n**i, troglodyte, etc

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Jun 17, 2019 10:04:02   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
debeda wrote:
Agree with all. I believe most are already on the Republican platform, tho.
I would like to see our asylum and refugee laws reassessed, and perhaps keeping better track of these people. In other words the same laws would apply to them as to immigrants going through the system.
I would also like to see a return to FCC rules of equal time, so more of us can feel we're getting fair reporting.
I'd also like to see more accountability in Congress, too many on both sides of the aisle will flip on an issue for unknown reasons, leaving their constituents frustrated and powerless.
I would also like a pony for Christmas
Agree with all. I believe most are already on the ... (show quote)


I'd love to see all of congress peoples tax returns going back 5 years. See just how much their wealth has increased since becoming congressman.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:03:44   #
debeda
 
JFlorio wrote:
I'd love to see all of congress peoples tax returns going back 5 years. See just how much their wealth has increased since becoming congressman.


Oh, yes, for SURE!!!! So many of them get rich c***ting the rest of us

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Jun 17, 2019 11:11:59   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
My friend, can't you see that moderates from either/both sides see the problem just as prevalent from the ultra conservatively zealous political partisans

For example, it was failed Indiana GOP Senatorial candidate Richard Mourdock who was quoted as saying, "I have a mindset that says bi-partisanship ought to consist of democrats coming to the republican point of view."

That particular quote was considered a major factor for his defeat in a predominately red state, and rightfully so.
My friend, can't you see that moderates from eithe... (show quote)


At $22 trillion national debt we had better come with some major cuts to our spending or this country will go down in a blazing glory and our youth will wonder what happened. Forget all of the socialized programs and giving of foreign aid we are in hock over our eyeballs and we had better get a handle on it real quick or prepare for the end and the end won't be pretty I am afraid.

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Jun 18, 2019 10:03:57   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
bahmer wrote:
At $22 trillion national debt we had better come with some major cuts to our spending or this country will go down in a blazing glory and our youth will wonder what happened. Forget all of the socialized programs and giving of foreign aid we are in hock over our eyeballs and we had better get a handle on it real quick or prepare for the end and the end won't be pretty I am afraid.
At $22 trillion national debt we had better come w... (show quote)


Too many takers and not enough givers. California is the perfect example. Beautiful state, plenty of resources, Quite a group of millionaires and billionaires at the top, shrinking middle class, and the largest homeless population in the United States. California also has the largest disparity between haves and have nots. Will be our first third world state. This is what happens when liberals control almost the entire state. Everything I have listed is fact. Their solution; pass a bill giving i******s healthcare. Damn dumbest people on earth. Not the ones at the top; the i***ts who keep v****g for them.

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