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Jun 12, 2019 12:26:39   #
sambev
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
To truly repent is to be sorry that you did it and do your best to abstain from doing it in the future, not to go to church, repent your sins, go out and repeat them sans guilt. This whole thing of f**e repentance isn't Christianity, it is more akin to blasphemy. If you truly believe that there is a god and that he knows what is in your "heart", to do that whole pretend repentance thing is like saying that you think you can pull the wool over Gods eyes and he will never know the difference. A REAL Christian will at least try their best to live sin free and should they fail, they repent and do their best to not be a repeat offender.
To truly repent is to be sorry that you did it and... (show quote)


You are absolutely correct, but the human factor prevents us from being perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try every day to be what God wants us to be.

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Jun 12, 2019 13:05:53   #
JediKnight
 
sambev wrote:
What arrogance to claim that you know who is Christian and who is not! Have you never heard of repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus as your Savior. This concept of the blood of Jesus hiding our sins is acceptable to God, but not to the masses who consider themselves as more omnipotent than God. We're all sinners; some are saved and some are not, but only God knows who is who. The fact that your civilized reality includes k*****g babies and legalizing sin says you either don't know God's T***h or you don't care about it. True patriots respect our constitution and our laws; they respect a legally elected president or at least the Office of the President. They respect their fellow Americans even if they don't agree with their beliefs or their actions. They try to change policies or leaders in the v****g booth, not by ugly protests and ugly rhetoric. I am a Christian who supports Trump, and I believe Christian prayers saved us from Hillary, and those Christian prayers will continue to help our president as he works for America.
What arrogance to claim that you know who is Chris... (show quote)


Sam: my so-called "arrogance" is rooted in the very words of Christ: "You will know my disciples by their fruit..." Someone once said, "when you meet someone and they show you who they are - believe them." Trump-and many of his followers show the world their discrimination, r****m, and d******eness every day. Perhaps it is you who needs to pay more attention. Trump has and continues to violate our laws and even has the audacity to tell his minions they can ignore Congressional subpoenas. I'm not sure which planet you're from - but apparently its not this one. Trump was not 'legally' elected as you claim. He lost the e******n by over 3 million v**es - it was the corrupt members of the EC pandering to their mega-donors who installed Trump as the (f**e) president. If you are truly a Christian -and call yourself a Trump supporter -then it is you that we need to pray for as well as Trump. sad.

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Jun 12, 2019 13:09:13   #
JediKnight
 
sambev wrote:
You are absolutely correct, but the human factor prevents us from being perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try every day to be what God wants us to be.


So, since Trump claims he's Christian - along with repenting for the 11,000 lies he has told since being installed -shouldn't he stop the lying? Sam, I know that you've heard "putting lipstick on a pig still leaves you with a pig." God, in His infinite wisdom, also gives us 'discernment' to help us along the path of life. I have discerned that Trump is so lacking in the basic fundamentals of human decency, and therefore, is not fit to be president.

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Jun 12, 2019 18:41:57   #
sambev
 
JediKnight wrote:
So, since Trump claims he's Christian - along with repenting for the 11,000 lies he has told since being installed -shouldn't he stop the lying? Sam, I know that you've heard "putting lipstick on a pig still leaves you with a pig." God, in His infinite wisdom, also gives us 'discernment' to help us along the path of life. I have discerned that Trump is so lacking in the basic fundamentals of human decency, and therefore, is not fit to be president.


Be specific. What are the basic fundamentals of human decency, and when specifically did Trump violate that specific fundamental? God did give us discernment to help us in this life, but He never promised that we would always use it correctly. I have discerned that the Democratic Party is the party of Satan, but I also know I could be wrong.

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Jun 12, 2019 18:54:32   #
sambev
 
JediKnight wrote:
Sam: my so-called "arrogance" is rooted in the very words of Christ: "You will know my disciples by their fruit..." Someone once said, "when you meet someone and they show you who they are - believe them." Trump-and many of his followers show the world their discrimination, r****m, and d******eness every day. Perhaps it is you who needs to pay more attention. Trump has and continues to violate our laws and even has the audacity to tell his minions they can ignore Congressional subpoenas. I'm not sure which planet you're from - but apparently its not this one. Trump was not 'legally' elected as you claim. He lost the e******n by over 3 million v**es - it was the corrupt members of the EC pandering to their mega-donors who installed Trump as the (f**e) president. If you are truly a Christian -and call yourself a Trump supporter -then it is you that we need to pray for as well as Trump. sad.
Sam: my so-called "arrogance" is rooted ... (show quote)


I suppose you have the credentials to be a fruit inspector. I just don't agree with your claims; the democrats party is the epitome of d******eness, Trump was legally elected according to our e******n laws, as a Christian, I believe, as He has done several times, that God can use anyone he chooses to fulfill His purpose. But, I will take all the prayers sent on my behalf as I humbly proclaim the power of prayer.

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Jun 13, 2019 09:55:45   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
JediKnight wrote:
Every one with the sense God gave a cockroach knows that this booming economy is due to the hard work of Barack Obama....Trump had absolutely nothing, and I do mean nothing to do with it. Why can't republicans take credit for their own work...oh wait....they don't do any work except rob and steal from the treasury....never mind.


JEEZE, I wonder where Obama got the 1.8 Billion dollars from that he gave IRAN? I'll tell you fool, the treasury! Your mama did not call you SUNNY cause your so bright.

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Jun 13, 2019 13:27:57   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
MR Mister wrote:
JEEZE, I wonder where Obama got the 1.8 Billion dollars from that he gave IRAN? I'll tell you fool, the treasury! Your mama did not call you SUNNY cause your so bright.


That $1.7 billion was Iran's money to begin with.

Politifact wrote:
The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan analytic arm of Congress, reviewed this cash t***sfer in a 2018 report. It gave a total of $1.7 billion.

That was the amount that U.S. and Iranian negotiators settled on to resolve an arms contract between the United States and Iran that predated the Iranian revolution in 1979. Iran had paid for military equipment, and it was never delivered.

As of 1990, there were $400 million in that account. Negotiators agreed that accrued interest would add $1.3 billion to the amount, which is a lot of money — but 25 years is a long time for interest to build up the balance.

The United States sent the money to Iran in euros, Swiss francs and other currencies. Trump embellished when he mentioned barrels and boxes. Reports at the time said the money was packed and loaded onto pallets, similar to how other bulk goods are shipped.
The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisa... (show quote)


You call into question someone else's intelligence when it is you that doesn't have their facts straight, project much do we? Perhaps you need to look into what sources you get your information from, they don't seem very reliable.

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Jun 13, 2019 16:13:50   #
JediKnight
 
sambev wrote:
Be specific. What are the basic fundamentals of human decency, and when specifically did Trump violate that specific fundamental? God did give us discernment to help us in this life, but He never promised that we would always use it correctly. I have discerned that the Democratic Party is the party of Satan, but I also know I could be wrong.


Sam: for one, Trump has c***ted on each wife with the previous one = adultery. Trump has told numerous lies each day since he started campaigning = habitual lying. Trump used campaign funds to pay off two mistresses to hide adulterous affairs = cover up. Trump has openly bashed people from multiple races and cultures, including the disabled and children. Trump has called for and accepted opposition research from hostile foreign governments = illegal. Trump has openly supported r****m and discrimination -"there were good people on both sides" and he continues to this day to misrepresent the immigration problem. Trump keeps lying that "all these i******s from Mexico...." when in fact the majority of those immigrants are from Central America -not Mexicans. Trump continues to violate the Emoluments Clause by encouraging foreigners to stay at his hotels and golf clubs. Trump continues to defy our most basic traditions as well as our laws by refusing to release his financials -even after he lied multiple times on the campaign trail. And, what about the wall Mexico is going to pay for? Declaring non-existent "emergencies" to steal money from the defense budget is NOT Mexico paying for the wall. What about that great new health care plan Trump claimed was ready to go on Day One -or his plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days? I could go on and on...but you know all of this already, and apparently you have chosen to turn a blind eye to the wolf in the henhouse. sad. "Don't cast your pearls before the swine."-Jesus Christ

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Jun 13, 2019 16:21:29   #
JediKnight
 
sambev wrote:
I suppose you have the credentials to be a fruit inspector. I just don't agree with your claims; the democrats party is the epitome of d******eness, Trump was legally elected according to our e******n laws, as a Christian, I believe, as He has done several times, that God can use anyone he chooses to fulfill His purpose. But, I will take all the prayers sent on my behalf as I humbly proclaim the power of prayer.


Yes, I agree that God can and does use anyone he chooses to fulfill His purpose. I believe God is using Trump to remind us of how far off the righteous path we have wandered, just as God allowed "bad kings" to exist in the days of the Old Testament. But to think that God approves of Trump is to defy all the teachings and laws God gave Moses to pass down to us on Mount Sinai. If you know God, you would know that God does not make mistakes, but He does allow us freedom of choice. Those crooked EC people and the corrupt republicans made a choice to install Trump -and it wasn't for the betterment of the country. I suspect that those politicians who support Trump are just as corrupt as Trump is (it may even be that Trump has some dirt on them such as taking bad money from Russia through the NRA) - or - they want to be just like him when they grow up. I don't know Trump personally -so I do not h**e him - I just don't like the h**e, discrimination, and d******eness Trump peddles. So, I pray for him, people like him, and the rest of us every day....you are now included in my prayers.

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Jun 13, 2019 19:52:22   #
sambev
 
We will never agree. Just because I don't see things as you do doesn't me make always wrong nor does it always give you the power of correctness. While I don't claim to know the answers to everything, I do know who holds tomorrow, and I pray that God will turn our country around by changing hearts. I don't really need you to pray for me. I can talk to God all by myself.

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Jun 13, 2019 19:59:09   #
sambev
 
And apparently you have chosen to believe the spin put on all these things by the l*****ts. Your information is flawed, skewed, and dishonest. You see, I am appalled that someone so seemingly intelligent has bought into so many liberal lies. But I would suppose it's necessary in order to make one's beliefs seem proper.

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Jun 14, 2019 11:13:38   #
JediKnight
 
sambev wrote:
We will never agree. Just because I don't see things as you do doesn't me make always wrong nor does it always give you the power of correctness. While I don't claim to know the answers to everything, I do know who holds tomorrow, and I pray that God will turn our country around by changing hearts. I don't really need you to pray for me. I can talk to God all by myself.


Sam; you are missing the point -we actually do agree: "Just because I don't see things as you do doesn't make me always wrong nor does it always give you the power of correctness..." We both know who holds tomorrow, and yes, it is only God who has the power to change hearts. Finally, you may not want me to pray for you - but guess what - there's nothing you can do about it. "Lean not upon thy own understanding Sam...." peace be unto you.

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Jun 14, 2019 11:24:32   #
JediKnight
 
sambev wrote:
And apparently you have chosen to believe the spin put on all these things by the l*****ts. Your information is flawed, skewed, and dishonest. You see, I am appalled that someone so seemingly intelligent has bought into so many liberal lies. But I would suppose it's necessary in order to make one's beliefs seem proper.


Sam: I consider several sources -not just one like Fox. I listen to what the people being talked about are actually saying and doing. Have you not witnessed with your own eyes and ears Trump's incessant lying -even when there was no need to lie? You have seen the nearly 20 women come forward with sexual accusations against Trump -do you not believe them? If not, do you believe those who accused Cosby? You have seen the evidence that Trump is an (deliberate) adulterer -do you think God approves of that? Your bible is full of examples of "fallen men" -yet each one, including Satan, began as a sound, solid, good person who happened to make bad choices. Trump could repent and change too -but at this point it appears he has no thought to do so. Did you really believe that Mexico would pay for a wall, or that Trump could defeat ISIS in 30 days? Have you yet realized that over 20 of our major corporations are now losing billions due to the tax cut and tariffs Trump has inflicted upon us? I don't know what you see in the man which earns your support -but it is you who is being dishonest -with yourself. You know the Lord - you know that God wants what is good and best for us....sorry buddy, but Trump is NOT it. God allows us to choose our path while allowing us to order our steps. Put your trust and faith in God....not in man.

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