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Jun 9, 2019 12:53:53   #
Richard Rowland
 
Pennylynn wrote:
The USS Liberty was a spy ship and was in waters that they should not have been. It was cruising at 28 knots, in accordance with naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The day fighting began, Israel asked the US to remove any American ships from off the coast and to be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels. The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai. Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis (which was a normal reaction) the Israelis responded with the torpedo attack, which k**led 28 of the sailors.

In January 2004, the State Department held a conference on the Liberty incident and also released new documents, including CIA memos dated 13 and 21 June 1967, that say that Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel. The historian for the National Security Agency, David Hatch, said the available evidence “strongly suggested” Israel did not know it was attacking a U.S. ship. Two former U.S. officials, Ernest Castle, the United States Naval Attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in June 1967, who received the first report of the attack from Israel, and John Hadden, then CIA Chief of Station in Tel Aviv, also agreed with the assessment that the attack on the Liberty was a mistake.

It is horrible, but there are THOUSANDS of cases of friendly fire.... One of the worst self-inflicted losses in U.S. military history occurred in April 1994, when F-15 fighters shot down two U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters in the “no fly” zone over northern Iraq. Twenty-six people were k**led, including 15 Americans, military officers from Britain, France and Turkey and five Kurdish workers. They were supporting U.N. humanitarian relief efforts on behalf of Kurds in the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War. The F-15 pilots thought the Black Hawks were Iraqi craft violating the restricted zone.

That is just one example. War produces causalities, you can go back to the history books form 600 AD until now... mistakes happen and people die. I am not saying what happened to the USS Liberty is right, I am saying that Israel admitted the mistake (immediately) and apologized for the tragedy immediately and offered on 9 June to compensate the victims. Israel ultimately paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian r********ns to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. Israel did not try to hide it, unlike the many friendly fire incidents in Vietnam (Hamburger Hill) or even the Pat Tillman.... covered up. So, if you are angry over the Liberty.... where is your anger for the 10 Marines were k**led by U.S. airstrikes ordered by a Marine air controller who mistook their vehicles for enemy forces (2003). Nine British soldiers were k**led on Feb. 17, 1991, when two U.S. Air Force A-10 attack aircraft fired on their armored personnel carriers in southern Iraq, mistaking it for an Iraqi target the Americans were trying to destroy 13 miles to the east. In all, 35 Americans and nine British troops were k**led by friendly fire in the Gulf War. In none of these cases did the guilty step forward and admit their mistake or pay r********ns for those deaths.
The USS Liberty was a spy ship and was in waters t... (show quote)


I'm fully aware of an attempt to minimize an evil deliberate act to sink and k**l all aboard that ship by Israel. You do yourself a disservice pushing this narrative. "Isreal didn't try to hide it." Give me a break, of course not, once they were unsuccessful and knew they had been caught.

Then you bring friendly fire into the mix, friendly fire is an unfortunate mistake, not a deliberate act. You and others know exactly what took place, where the Liberty is concerned, attempting to indicate differently is telling.

I've made my point, I'm done with this topic for the time being.

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Jun 9, 2019 13:03:45   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I'm fully aware of an attempt to minimize an evil deliberate act to sink and k**l all aboard that ship by Israel. You do yourself a disservice pushing this narrative. "Isreal didn't try to hide it" Give me a break, of course not, once they were unsuccessful and knew they had been caught.

Then you bring friendly fire into the mix, friendly fire is an unfortunate mistake, not a deliberate act. You and others know exactly what took place, where the Liberty is concerned, attempting to indicate differently is telling.

I've made my point, I'm done with this topic for the time being.
I'm fully aware of an attempt to minimize an evil ... (show quote)


You clearly stated "I listen to both sides and dismiss what doesn't fit with my philosophy." https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-155645-15.html So, from this we know that you will dismiss facts and opinions that do not fit well in your tribalism mentality. So, discussion with you on any subject will only end with people thinking you a fool. I simply provide a broader picture for any individual who still has a somewhat open mind.

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Jun 9, 2019 13:04:17   #
emarine
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Well, I just didn't imagine it, I read it somewhere. So if I read it reported, as I stated it, and you are refuting it based on what you think you know, then obviously one of us has it wrong. I'll ask the same question of you, are you saying the USS Liberty Ship incident is BS?




The books are for profit BS... sensationalism sells … unfortunately friendly fire is a part of war & some people still hold a grudge ...

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Jun 9, 2019 15:22:05   #
Ricktloml
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I agree with you, education is center to family life (aside from business, there are many accomplished scientists, doctors, authors...). I believe there is a second reason. From the time before Jesus it was written that Jews were chosen by G*d. If we are the "chosen" then we have a direct responsibility for making the world a better place....fix what is wrong. The world is not fixed, ergo it must be a failure on the part of the Jews. This line of thought was recently delivered to me in a condemnation of myself and my people. Initially I was angered, shocked, and highly offended. But, thank's be to our Father, I held my tongue and began to think about this, not as a Jew but from a Gentile's respective.... not just any Gentile but, a religious Gentile and I can see how they could think this position has merit. What they are missing... Jews were not selected to do anything more than spread the words of G*d, not to remake the world.
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What an appalling suggestion. Regardless of a persons race or lineage, decency, morality and personal responsibility is what makes the world a better place. I don't know if the gentile who berated you on this subject identified him or herself as a Christian, if he/she did they have an incredibly warped interpretation of the Christian Faith. You are exactly right, God chose the Jews for spiritual reasons, and as the race the messiah would come from. For Christians the Jewish race should be revered as the race our Savior came from. Perhaps anti-Semitism is so prevalent because Satan actively works against God's chosen.

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Jun 9, 2019 15:27:32   #
Ricktloml
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Good points.


How many of these people are devout. Secular liberalism/progressivism/socialism is much more important than their heritage.

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Jun 9, 2019 15:42:07   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Ricktloml wrote:
What an appalling suggestion. Regardless of a persons race or lineage, decency, morality and personal responsibility is what makes the world a better place. I don't know if the gentile who berated you on this subject identified him or herself as a Christian, if he/she did they have an incredibly warped interpretation of the Christian Faith. You are exactly right, God chose the Jews for spiritual reasons, and as the race the messiah would come from. For Christians the Jewish race should be revered as the race our Savior came from. Perhaps anti-Semitism is so prevalent because Satan actively works against God's chosen.
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I believe that the book of Job lays out a kind of metaphor for the Jewish people's.

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Jun 9, 2019 15:54:06   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Why are Jews h**ed and discriminated against all through history?

I have a theory that Jews may have paid more attention to educating their children through the years and better educated people become more successful in business and thus in general become more successful and wealthier than other people. When poor people need to borrow money they don’t borrow it from poor people who have nothing to loan, they borrow it from more successful people who do have the money to loan. But many h**e paying it back and resent the person (bank) they borrowed the money from in the first place. This is why Jews are always portrayed an wealthy money grubbing SOBs.
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In my opinion, there's more than one reason that the Jews are h**ed.
#1. God chose them over all other people to be his own children. Jealousy.
#2. As God's chosen people, they were to spread His word over all the earth. They not only didn't, they worshiped idols.
#3. The Jews have been cursed with the vengeance of God for their addiction to idols. Idolatry.
#4. The Jews are under punishment right now for refusing God's gift of himself in the form of Jesus Christ.
#5. People think the Jews k**led Christ. They didn't and neither did the Romans. Once Jesus had suffered enough, he gave up his own spirit.
The Great Tribulation will wipe out most of the Jews, but a remnant will remain until the end of the seven years.
I believe our blessings from God were and are because when Israel became a nation, we were the big boy on the block and we befriended her. God blessed the US so that we could be in that position when Israel needed us. Our country seemed to start going downhill with Obama and Hillary, I believe, because they wanted to distance the US from Israel.
Just look at the difference with Trump. His stance is STRONG on Israel's side and look at the economic abundance we are enjoying over that of 3 years ago. God said that whosoever blessed Israel, he would bless. God has kept his word!
I wasn't knocking Obama or Hillary...only pointing out their decisions to back away from our friendship with Israel that brought economic bad times on America. It goes back past Obama too. Dems and reps alike.
The only difference is that Trump has restored our faithfulness as an ally and the blessings started rolling in.

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Jun 9, 2019 16:11:30   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
amadjuster wrote:
Well, Oswald was the shooter and Ruby was an associate of the Mob. Were you there, or do you just read weird books?


It's been proven, I believe, that no shooter in the world could make the shots that Qswald supposedly made.
It's also been proven that "the" bullet couldn't have been the one because it wasn't deformed at all.
It's also been proven that there was more than one shooter.
This was confirmed by the release of the JFK papers that were hidden for 25 years.

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Jun 9, 2019 16:21:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
maximus wrote:
In my opinion, there's more than one reason that the Jews are h**ed.
#1. God chose them over all other people to be his own children. Jealousy.
#2. As God's chosen people, they were to spread His word over all the earth. They not only didn't, they worshiped idols.
#3. The Jews have been cursed with the vengeance of God for their addiction to idols. Idolatry.
#4. The Jews are under punishment right now for refusing God's gift of himself in the form of Jesus Christ.
#5. People think the Jews k**led Christ. They didn't and neither did the Romans. Once Jesus had suffered enough, he gave up his own spirit.
The Great Tribulation will wipe out most of the Jews, but a remnant will remain until the end of the seven years.
I believe our blessings from God were and are because when Israel became a nation, we were the big boy on the block and we befriended her. God blessed the US so that we could be in that position when Israel needed us. Our country seemed to start going downhill with Obama and Hillary, I believe, because they wanted to distance the US from Israel.
Just look at the difference with Trump. His stance is STRONG on Israel's side and look at the economic abundance we are enjoying over that of 3 years ago. God said that whosoever blessed Israel, he would bless. God has kept his word!
I wasn't knocking Obama or Hillary...only pointing out their decisions to back away from our friendship with Israel that brought economic bad times on America. It goes back past Obama too. Dems and reps alike.
The only difference is that Trump has restored our faithfulness as an ally and the blessings started rolling in.
In my opinion, there's more than one reason that t... (show quote)


Pardon my interruption, but with respect I disagree with more than a few of your observations. First, the Jew was chosen to spread the word....very true. The word was spread by Jews..... all the apostles of Jesus were Jews. With the exception of Saul who may have been a Jew by birth only. Even in biblical times, the law on worship of idols, although they did not destroy them, was strictly enforced. As the Mishnah [of] Tractate Avodah Zarah is clear, a Jew could not even sell articles that could be used for worship of idols. Indeed, in the Mishnah it is written, (4:7) that the Jewish elders were asked in Rome why G*d does not destroy idols if He h**es them so. To this the elders replied that men worship the sun, moon, and stars and G*d refuses to destroy the world He has created “because of fools.” If, on the other hand, He were to destroy only those idols for which the world has no use, this would confirm the worshipers of the idols that were not destroyed that these alone had power. Even now, our Synagogues are not adorned with things that could be bowed to or worshiped. In the end days many people will die.... I do not think that any nation will be spared. If G*d takes the majority of the Jew, then so be it... it is not our will that shall come to pass.

I could tell you the t***h about the USA (during WWI and WWII) and their attitude toward the Jew, but it would make you angry, and that is not my intent.

As for the obama, he simply preferred muslims over the Jew. He insulted the PM, he refused to meet with him, and if he could pass a law to hamper the Jew...he had his "pen and phone."

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Jun 9, 2019 16:24:00   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Pardon my interruption, but with respect I disagree with more than a few of your observations. First, the Jew was chosen to spread the word....very true. The word was spread by Jews..... all the apostles of Jesus were Jews. With the exception of Saul who may have been a Jew by birth only. Even in biblical times, the law on worship of idols, although they did not destroy them, was strictly enforced. As the Mishnah [of] Tractate Avodah Zarah is clear, a Jew could not even sell articles that could be used for worship of idols. Indeed, in the Mishnah it is written, (4:7) that the Jewish elders were asked in Rome why G*d does not destroy idols if He h**es them so. To this the elders replied that men worship the sun, moon, and stars and G*d refuses to destroy the world He has created “because of fools.” If, on the other hand, He were to destroy only those idols for which the world has no use, this would confirm the worshipers of the idols that were not destroyed that these alone had power. Even now, our Synagogues are not adorned with things that could be bowed to or worshiped. In the end days many people will die.... I do not think that any nation will be spared. If G*d takes the majority of the Jew, then so be it... it is not our will that shall come to pass.

I could tell you the t***h about the USA (during WWI and WWII) and their attitude toward the Jew, but it would make you angry, and that is not my intent.

As for the obama, he simply preferred muslims over the Jew. He insulted the PM, he refused to meet with him, and if he could pass a law to hamper the Jew...he had his "pen and phone."
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Their is a 180 difference between Holy days and Holidays too.

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Jun 9, 2019 17:03:28   #
Iliamna1
 
I do know that Israel was predicted to become a stumbling block to the nations. And Israel is. I also know that Divine blessings are on the nations that bless Israel.

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Jun 9, 2019 17:11:25   #
truthiness
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Well, first off, I don't know any to revile. But for general reasons: The assassination of JFK, the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty Ship, and the 9-11 false f**g for starters,

,,,
Christians make a grave error when they choose to revile Jewish people because such reviling is antithetical to Christ's teaching of forgiveness: Matt 18:21:
"Then came Peter unto him and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but until seventy times seven."

All interpretations find that "seventy times seven" was not meant to mean you do not have to forgive the 491st offense, but rather that it means you must always forgive.

God gave no commandment or even allowance to Gentiles to persecute Jews because of the death of Jesus.

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Jun 9, 2019 18:14:59   #
Richard Rowland
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You clearly stated "I listen to both sides and dismiss what doesn't fit with my philosophy." https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-155645-15.html So, from this we know that you will dismiss facts and opinions that do not fit well in your tribalism mentality. So, discussion with you on any subject will only end with people thinking you a fool. I simply provide a broader picture for any individual who still has a somewhat open mind.


An open mind? Ya mean one that accepts disinformation rather than t***h.

Moving on: The written word of the Rabbis over the centuries have become elevated to the status of Torah. In their Talmud, anyone who does not have a Jewish mother is a "goy." A "goy" is a "non-human being. He/she becomes "human" if they are a Jewish convert. Even then, they are still a "Samaritan." If you are a "Christian" you are worse than a "goy." In the Talmud it is written that "Jesus Christ is in hell burning in His own excrement." The "Jewish educators" do not even mention Christianity in their "world religion" classes." The Jewish families shun any of their members who become a Christian.

I wonder what those who have emersed themselves in Christian belief have to say about being considered little more than a piece of garbage if one isn't a Jew. Unless I missed it, it's also interesting that this information hasn't been refuted by the forum's Jewish presence.

Matter of fact, I've heard the Talmud has a lot of stuff to say about how the goy can be exploited without conscience, by Jews.

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Jun 9, 2019 18:46:16   #
Paybacktimeishere
 
Pennylynn: Why Are JEWS h**ed...etc.....etc.

I believe you did a very good job, to
clarify many of the Trials & Tribulations, in re;
to War. There are alway’s mistake’s & Colateral Damage, as well as The ‘FOG’ of War, that I do not wish on anyone, or anything! Let’s ALL pray, that we don’t end up
in a WORLD WAR THREE, FIASCO, but, AMERICA, COMES FIRST, no matter what super, unworldly, Secret Weapon’s we have to
Deploy!?
Respectfully,
Payback

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Jun 9, 2019 19:34:18   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Ricktloml wrote:
What an appalling suggestion. Regardless of a persons race or lineage, decency, morality and personal responsibility is what makes the world a better place. I don't know if the gentile who berated you on this subject identified him or herself as a Christian, if he/she did they have an incredibly warped interpretation of the Christian Faith. You are exactly right, God chose the Jews for spiritual reasons, and as the race the messiah would come from. For Christians the Jewish race should be revered as the race our Savior came from. Perhaps anti-Semitism is so prevalent because Satan actively works against God's chosen.
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