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Those who are barred from owning firearms should be barred from v****g!
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Jun 4, 2019 19:52:49   #
Gatsby
 
Crazies and Criminals are properly barred from owning firearms,

and should both be barred from v****g too!

If a person should not be trusted with a gun, why would you trust them with our government?

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Jun 4, 2019 20:23:28   #
John King
 
Gatsby wrote:
Crazies and Criminals are properly barred from owning firearms,

and should both be barred from v****g too!

If a person should not be trusted with a gun, why would you trust them with our government?


Gatsby, although I see your point, I think there is a relevant difference!

I think those considered as "crazies" wouldn't bother with v****g or give it much mind at all. "Criminals", on the other hand, may have been guilty of manslaughter as an accident. Though they took a life, they did so unintentionally. Not being guilty of purposefully committing a crime, they still would fall under the classification of criminal. I would not want to see their rights to v**e taken away.

My problem with the current idea about "v****g for criminals" has more to do with them being able to v**e while in prison. Once time is served, they've paid their dues to society and gain back some of the rights they lost. Then is when they should get their right to v**e restored.

I have a friend who robbed banks without the use of any kind of weapon . . . he just walked in with a note and showed it to a teller . . . no gun . . . no knife . . . just a note! He just wanted cash for his drug habit. He was caught and sent to prison. While there, he became a Christian . . . and changed his life completely. His is a prime example of what kind of person can come out of prison. He deserves to be able to v**e as you or I do . . . to me.

....just my opinion!!!

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Jun 4, 2019 22:08:05   #
Gatsby
 
John King wrote:
Gatsby, although I see your point, I think there is a relevant difference!

I think those considered as "crazies" wouldn't bother with v****g or give it much mind at all. "Criminals", on the other hand, may have been guilty of manslaughter as an accident. Though they took a life, they did so unintentionally. Not being guilty of purposefully committing a crime, they still would fall under the classification of criminal. I would not want to see their rights to v**e taken away.

My problem with the current idea about "v****g for criminals" has more to do with them being able to v**e while in prison. Once time is served, they've paid their dues to society and gain back some of the rights they lost. Then is when they should get their right to v**e restored.

I have a friend who robbed banks without the use of any kind of weapon . . . he just walked in with a note and showed it to a teller . . . no gun . . . no knife . . . just a note! He just wanted cash for his drug habit. He was caught and sent to prison. While there, he became a Christian . . . and changed his life completely. His is a prime example of what kind of person can come out of prison. He deserves to be able to v**e as you or I do . . . to me.

....just my opinion!!!
Gatsby, although I see your point, I think there i... (show quote)


The fact is that your friend is the exception rather than the rule.

Every individual has the right to apply for relief from the dis-abilities imposed by their conviction;

such relief should only be granted on an individual basis, if found appropriate.

You clearly trust your friend with the v**e, would you trust him with a gun?

How about the gang-banger that was in the next cell block?

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Jun 4, 2019 22:11:00   #
Ricktloml
 
Gatsby wrote:
Crazies and Criminals are properly barred from owning firearms,

and should both be barred from v****g too!

If a person should not be trusted with a gun, why would you trust them with our government?


I would be more interested in going back to the system where if you don't pay taxes you don't v**e. That would prevent 49% of Americans who don't pay taxes from electing people that legislate those who do pay taxes money to buy those v**es.

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Jun 4, 2019 22:33:47   #
John King
 
Gatsby wrote:
The fact is that your friend is the exception rather than the rule.

Every individual has the right to apply for relief from the dis-abilities imposed by their conviction;

such relief should only be granted on an individual basis, if found appropriate.

You clearly trust your friend with the v**e, would you trust him with a gun?

How about the gang-banger that was in the next cell block?


There is a great gulf between the right to bear arms and the right to v**e! If you can't see the difference . . . well, sorry about that! It is a ludicrous comparison!

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Jun 5, 2019 00:20:15   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Gatsby wrote:
Crazies and Criminals are properly barred from owning firearms,

and should both be barred from v****g too!

If a person should not be trusted with a gun, why would you trust them with our government?


Those who want to disarm law abiding Americans and abolish the 2nd Amendment should be barred from v****g.

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Jun 5, 2019 07:42:52   #
Big dog
 
Gatsby wrote:
Crazies and Criminals are properly barred from owning firearms,

and should both be barred from v****g too!

If a person should not be trusted with a gun, why would you trust them with our government?


What about all their other rights ? Why not just disallow all the rights of a convicted felon ? That would make almost half the population non people.

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Jun 5, 2019 09:01:53   #
TrueAmerican
 
Ricktloml wrote:
I would be more interested in going back to the system where if you don't pay taxes you don't v**e. That would prevent 49% of Americans who don't pay taxes from electing people that legislate those who do pay taxes money to buy those v**es.


And crush the demoncRAT base !!!!!!

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Jun 5, 2019 12:43:53   #
F.D.R.
 
I think anyone collecting welfare shouldn't be allowed to v**e. If they're not smart enough or responsible enough to hold a job they shouldn't be picking our government officials.

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Jun 5, 2019 13:31:12   #
Ricktloml
 
F.D.R. wrote:
I think anyone collecting welfare shouldn't be allowed to v**e. If they're not smart enough or responsible enough to hold a job they shouldn't be picking our government officials.


There will always be members of society who genuinely need help. But it is ludicrous that 49% of Americans don't pay taxes and then v**e for people who give them their money. I personally like a flat-tax, and I think EVERYONE should pay some amount. Those who have particularly low incomes could pay as little a 1/2 of a percent. But EVERYONE needs to have skin in the game. No one should be able to v**e themselves an income derived from someone else's labor.

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Jun 5, 2019 21:42:03   #
Reaper13
 
Big dog wrote:
What about all their other rights ? Why not just disallow all the rights of a convicted felon ? That would make almost half the population non people.


I’m a felon. Show me where there is an amendment to the 2nd that says I can’t have a right to protect my life. I have gotten into arguments on this site with other i***ts about this same thing. In the 1800’s you could be a felon and spin release from federal prison you were issued a good horse, rifle and a silver dollar. I know i’ve Heard it. There are laws saying felons can’t have firearms. Those laws are unconstitutional. PERIOD!

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Jun 5, 2019 21:53:53   #
Big dog
 
Reaper13 wrote:
I’m a felon. Show me where there is an amendment to the 2nd that says I can’t have a right to protect my life. I have gotten into arguments on this site with other i***ts about this same thing. In the 1800’s you could be a felon and spin release from federal prison you were issued a good horse, rifle and a silver dollar. I know i’ve Heard it. There are laws saying felons can’t have firearms. Those laws are unconstitutional. PERIOD!


Those laws don’t seem too much like real laws, otherwise my long guns would not have been returned to me when I was released from jail. The officer at the evidence room was confused but one phone call and he put the guns in my hands. If I’m not allowed to have a gun, they could,and SHOULD have arrested me before I got to my car.
That was 35 years ago and I’ve legally purchased long guns since then.

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Jun 5, 2019 22:00:49   #
woodguru
 
There's a whole lot of people who should be barred from owning guns for being nut cases and having violations of domestic violence types. For instance if you've been forced to take anger management classes should you be able to possess guns? I think not.

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Jun 5, 2019 22:04:30   #
woodguru
 
And I will say... hard right wingers tend to have their anger management issues, their domestic violence, their orders to stay away. It would be a bit hard on the hard right to get harsh with mental health and anger management.

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Jun 5, 2019 22:10:40   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
And I will say... hard right wingers tend to have their anger management issues, their domestic violence, their orders to stay away. It would be a bit hard on the hard right to get harsh with mental health and anger management.


No more than on the hard left. Different side of the same coin

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