Rose42

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Go over to verse 22 - you heard me read this - “false Christs, false prophets will arise, show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.” They can’t lead the elect astray, but they will lead those who are not true believers to follow them. I want to just talk about that for a moment, in a way that perhaps will be interesting to you. There always are false prophets, always false teachers - we know that - always people who claim to be Jesus, claim to be Jesus Christ - some more notable than others.

But as you get to the end of human history, and you get into the period of time called the tribulation, there is a specific fulfillment of this prophecy that I want you to understand, and it has to do with Islam. Most people think of Islam as an utterly distinct religion from Christianity, with no connection to Christianity, right? We’d think that if someone is a Muslim, they - they have absolutely no connection to Christianity - and there are many religions that have no connection to Christianity.

Hinduism has no connection to Christianity, Buddhism has no connection to Christianity, many others have no connection. It’s amazing how many do connect, because Satan wants to counterfeit, and deceive, and get as close to the truth as he can. There are actually confessed evangelical people who think that Muslims not only believe in God - because they are monotheist, believing in one God - but who think that Muslims are okay, because they actually believe in Jesus - and by the way, they do.

Brian McClaren - an emerging church heretic writer - in his book The Secret Message of Jesus says, and I quote, “All Muslims regard Jesus as a great prophet. A shared reappraisal of Jesus’ message could provide a common ground for urgently needed religious dialogue. This reappraisal of Jesus may be our only way of saving a number of religions, including Christianity,” end quote. So, if we want to save Christianity and save other religions, we need to all get together, and that should be easy for us to do, because we can start with the Muslims, because they already believe in Jesus.

A popular speaker and author, Tony Campolo, says, quote: “When we listen to the Muslim mystics as they talk about Jesus and their love for Jesus, I must say it’s a lot closer to New Testament Christianity than a lot of Christians.” Really. So, you think that the Muslim Jesus is the same Jesus? I can help you with that, because they describe Jesus; the Muslim Jesus plays a crucial role in Islamic eschatology. Now, you do know that the Muslims have an eschatology - in other words they have a theology of the end.

They know where they’re going, according to their writings; they know where they’re going. Let me describe the Muslim Jesus to you - this is out of their own writings, the Koran and the Sunnah. The Koran is supposedly the word of Allah - actually the word of Satan, but they think it’s the word of Allah; the Sunnah - the Sunnah are the words of and the works of Mohammed. The Koran, then, constitutes their holy Scripture, and the Sunnah - sometimes called the Hadith - constitutes their holy tradition.

Their theology comes out of the Koran and the Sunnah - just as Roman Catholic theology comes out of the Bible and tradition, or Judaism comes out of the Old Testament and rabbinic tradition, the Muslims have two sources of authoritative truth. In their system, they have Jesus. Jesus was a man; he was not God. He did not die; he went to heaven like Elijah. He did not die; therefore, he did not rise. He did not die; therefore, he did not provide an atonement for anyone, because no one can provide an atonement for anyone else.

He is a man, he is a prophet, he is nothing more. He went to heaven like Elijah, and he’s in heaven right now, standing alongside Allah, waiting for Allah to send him back. In their system, this man, this prophet Jesus, who is now in heaven, never having died, plays a key role in the end times, because he will return from heaven without dying; he will come back when Allah sends him back. Now, the question to ask is, why would Allah want to send Jesus back? He has a lot of prophets to pick from; why does he send Jesus back?

Answer: so that when he shows up, he can correct all the Christians, who have misunderstood who he is. The sources for this, again, the Koran and the Sunnah. The great event of the coming of Christ, or coming of Jesus, is so that this prophet, this man, who comes back, can straighten out the misdirected, misguided, misconceiving Christians, who think He was God who died and rose again and provided atonement - he’ll come back and straighten it out - and by the way, after he gets here, he’ll get married, have children, and die and be buried next to Mohammed - that’s the Muslim Jesus.

In Islamic eschatology, there are three great signs of the end of history; three great signs. There are some lesser signs, or some minor signs, and some major signs. In their eschatology – again, quoting their sources exclusively - there are three great signs of the end of history, and each of them is a man. Let me tell you about those three men. First of all, the first man that will come in the end of history is the Mahdi - M-A-H-D-I - sometimes he’s called the Twelfth Imam.

Every time Ahmadinejad over in Iran gives a speech, he says, “Glory to the Mahdi” – “glory to the Twelfth Imam” - every time; he’s waiting for the coming of the Mahdi. What is he coming to do? He’s coming - listen carefully - to slaughter all who will not worship Allah, convert to Islam - they are identified in their writings as pigs and dogs - and to establish the everlasting world-dominating kingdom of Islam - that’s what he will do.

The Mahdi, or the Twelfth Imam - that means the guided one - is the long-awaited savior; he is the establisher of the final caliphate, and the world must follow him as he takes over, or he will destroy all enemies of Islam. He will come, and he will carry on holy war, and either you convert, or you’re killed by the Mahdi. He will have an army. His army will be a massive army, and his army will go from nation to nation to punish the unbelievers. The holy writings of Islam say that this army will carry black flags, and on those black flags there’ll be one word, and that one word will be the word punishment.

By the way, the Iranian army today carries black flags; they want to be ready for the coming of the Mahdi. He will lead the army of black flags first to Israel, slaughter all the Jews, and then he will establish his rule in Jerusalem on the temple mount - that’s what their literature says - slaughter the Jews, establish his rule on the temple mount. According to their holy writings, the Mahdi will bring rain, and wind, and crops, and wealth and happiness, so that all will love him, and no one will speak of anyone but him.

Their writings say the Mahdi will come and make - at first - a peace agreement with the Jews and the West for seven years; the reign of Mahdi lasts seven years, in which he establishes Islam on the earth. Their holy writings say this: the Mahdi will come riding on a white horse - and it even says in their writings, “As it says in Revelation 6:1 and 2.” Saddam Hussein, by the way, painted murals of this Mahdi on a white horse all over Baghdad - and he comes carrying a sword to kill the infidels.

When the Mahdi arrives, he will discover hidden scriptures - he will discover them, interestingly enough, somewhere near the Sea of Galilee - and there will be there hidden scriptures, hidden gospels, and a hidden Torah, and they will be the true scriptures, which will be used by the Mahdi to show the Jews and the Christians they were wrong - that their scriptures were the false scriptures. Let me summarize: the Mahdi will be a messianic figure. He will be a descendant of Mohammed. He will be an unparalleled, unequaled leader.

He will come out of a crisis of turmoil. He will take control of the world. He will establish a new world order. He will destroy all who resist him. He will invade many nations. He will make a seven-year peace treaty with the Jews. He will conquer Israel and massacre the Jews. He will establish Islamic world headquarters at Jerusalem. He will rule for seven years, establish Islam as the only religion. He will come on a white horse with supernatural power. He will be loved by all people on earth.

If that sounds familiar, that is a precise description of the biblical Antichrist – absolutely, step-by-step-by-step-by-step - the Bible’s Antichrist is their Mahdi. We know that the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is the Antichrist; they use that verse to describe their Mahdi. Why am I giving you all this? Because the description of the Mahdi is exactly the description of the biblical Antichrist, the beast of Revelation 13; and you go into any kind of a study of that, and you will find that all the details match up perfectly.

The Bible’s Antichrist is Islam’s savior and world conqueror, who establishes a universal Islamic kingdom - and there’s a second sign, a second person, and it is Jesus. The Mahdi is not Jesus; The Mahdi is greater than Jesus - and that’s important to their system, because if you have somebody greater than Jesus, then the Christians were wrong – so, Jesus will return. Yes, Muslims believe that Jesus will come again; they believe in the return of Jesus - not the true Jesus, the Jesus of Islam - not God, didn’t die, didn’t rise, didn’t provide a sacrifice for sin, but he does return.

He’s a prophet, and he comes back, and he has one purpose when he comes back, and that is to assist and aid the Mahdi. He returns - listen to this - as a radical Muslim; he comes back as a radical Muslim - he will arrive, by the way, at a minaret near Damascus - and he will come back holding the wings of two angels, who flew him down to meet the gathering army of the Mahdi in the east, the army of the black flags. Jesus, when he comes back, will pray to the Mahdi, who is greater than he. He will acknowledge the Mahdi as his lord. He will make a pilgrimage to Mecca.

He will worship Allah, and thus he will lead all Christians who will follow him to reject their notion of Jesus and accept the real Jesus, who is nothing but a prophet and a man. He will establish worldwide Sharia law. He will become the greatest Muslim evangelist, and he will be the final witness on the day of judgment against non-Muslims. Christians everywhere will affirm that they were wrong - that the gospel is wrong, the New Testament is wrong, He didn’t die, He didn’t rise, He isn’t God, He isn’t the Son of God - he himself will come back and point out how wrong we’ve been.

He will correct all misinterpretations and all misrepresentations. Let me quote what their literature says: “He will shatter crosses” - that’s metaphoric for the destruction of the church, a symbol of Christianity, being placed in the church. “He will kill pigs. He will abolish the tax on non-Muslims because there won’t be any living non-Muslims - can’t tax dead people - and then he will do one more thing: he will kill the Islamic Antichrist; he will kill the Islamic Antichrist.

“Then he will die and be buried by Mohammed, but not until he has destroyed Christianity by revealing who he really is.” Who is this? You compare what he does to the false prophet in the book of Revelation - chapter 13, 16, 19, 20 refer to the beast’s coming out of the earth, the false prophet - who aids and abets the Antichrist. He is - as the Mahdi is the exact replica of the Antichrist, the Jesus prophet in Islam is the exact parallel to the false prophet, who aids and abets the Antichrist.

One of their writings says he espouses the cause of the Mahdi. He is the Mahdi’s executioner, he is the Mahdi’s enforcer, he is the Mahdi’s prophet, and it is he who kills the Antichrist. That leads me to the third person: the Antichrist will show up - the Muslims call him Dajjal - he is the great deceiver. He comes to earth on a mule, and he’s blind in one eye. He is an infidel. He is a false miracle worker - this Antichrist, this Islamic Antichrist - but you know who he claims to be?

He claims to be Jesus, the son of God; he claims to be deity. He will attempt to stop the Mahdi and the true Jesus, but the true Jesus will slaughter him. This is their view of the true Christ; our Jesus is their Antichrist; our Antichrist is their redeemer. It is a satanic counterfeit that is in complete reverse. “The army” - this is a quote - “The army of Satan will be led by a person who will claim to be Jesus Christ.” There will be a great battle. The Muslim Jesus will fight the false Jesus and kill him and establish Islam forever.

The truth is, the true Jesus will destroy the Antichrist and the false prophet and establish His kingdom forever. This is Satan’s complete counterfeit, Muslim world domination. Now, somebody might say, “Well, you know, when you think about the future and what’s going to happen in the world, don’t we have a revived Roman Empire? Doesn’t that mean the West?” You remember that the image in Daniel 2 of the final world empire had two legs, and the Roman Empire had the west and the east?

You know, of course, if you know history, that the western part of the Roman Empire basically dissolved, and the east survived for a thousand years or more, so that at the time of the New Testament, sixty percent of the Roman Empire was land that is now under Muslim control - at least 60 percent. The vast majority of the Roman Empire in New Testament times is today under Muslim control, and Islam is moving across the west rapidly in Europe, isn’t it?

When you have a picture in Ezekiel 38, you have a picture of the Antichrist, Gog, and you have the listing of eight nations that will be a coalition for the Antichrist; all eight of those are Muslim nations, all eight of them, and they ring the Mediterranean, all the way to Libya. In Revelation 17:9 to 11, it says there were six kingdoms and then a seventh and finally an eighth. What is the seventh? Well there’s been a discussion about that - it well could be the Ottoman Turk Empire, which lasted five hundred years, and didn’t really fall till the modern era.

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Rose42

The Turkish Empire was the last caliphate - which ended in 1923 - and they’re waiting for the restoration when the Mahdi comes. So, right at the very end, somebody is going to say, “I’m Jesus.” Somebody else is going to say, “I’m Jesus.” Who you going to believe? That’s just one form of this deception that will show up at the end, and even now, it’s deceiving people. There are a whole world of Muslims who think Jesus is someone He is not, and consequently reject the true Jesus. “Do not be deceived.”

There’s a world of Muslims deceived about the person of Jesus Christ. You cannot accommodate that by saying, “Isn’t that wonderful, they love Jesus” - they don’t. Any other Jesus than the true Jesus is not Jesus, and if you worship any other than the true Jesus, you are cursed. So, destruction and deception. Maybe just a few minutes on disaster - verses 7 and 8 - and this is so obvious, the third aspect of looking at the future: “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end.

“For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” - this is human history - wars, hot and cold wars, between nations and kingdoms have been a reality through every year of history, and we’re not getting any better; we’re not really evolving too well, are we? Our Lord accurately foresaw the world would never know peace, never - never improve morally, never improve socially, never improve spiritually - that it would rather devolve and devolve and devolve into worse and worse condition.

By the way, as many as ninety-five percent of societies throughout history have engaged in war - it’s ubiquitous - and as technology increases, so does killing power, and it’s amazing to read the theories of why people make war. I won’t explain them, I’ll just list a few of them that I found. There’s the Marxist theory, which has to do with economic inequality. There’s the evolutionary theory, which has to do with the survival of the fittest. There’s behavioral theory, that there are some people who have an inherent violent bend.

There’s the demographic theory - the Malthusian theory, it’s called - of expanding population that leads to conflict. There’s the rationalistic theory, having to do with information asymmetry; some people just don’t have enough information. Then there’s the political science theory, a quest for security, and on and on and on and on, and we know that James says, “You war because you lust and because you hate.” Since 1985 up until recently, almost a half a million people have died every year in war.

In World War II, 72 million people died. In 755 - let’s go back to 755 to 763, a period of time of the great war in China - 36 million people died. In the Mongol conquest in the 13th century, 30 to 60 million; 20 million in World War I, and so it goes - and that is human history, and it’s not changing. It will escalate - wait till we get to Revelation 6, 9, 16, and you see the wars at the end - massive death will take place; massive death. And not only war, in this category of disasters; there will be earthquakes in various places, there will also be famines.

Luke’s account says great earthquakes, seismoi megaloi - mega quakes, like the 9-point quake 80 miles off the shore of Japan. Through history, millions and millions - countless millions - have died in earthquakes. I read this week that there are one-half million earthquakes a year, every year - you are on a shaky place. A hundred thousand of them are felt, but half a million register on Richter scales. Luke 21 also adds there will be plagues, terrors and great signs from heaven.

You want plagues, how about the black death - 1300s in Europe, carried by rats - killed 60 percent of the population of Europe, in excess of a hundred million people; how about 40 million-plus, in the great influenza of the early twentieth century. Great signs from heaven, terrors, fires, diseases, heat, cold, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, drought - it’s a dangerous place, and the worst is yet to come - Revelation 6 and Revelation 8 - our Lord says, “Those things” - in verse 7 – “must take place, but that’s not yet the end.”

It’s the nature of living in a cursed planet; it’s not yet the end. In fact, if you will look at the end of verse 8, it says they’re merely the beginning of birth pangs. That’s an analogy of a woman’s contractions - they are separated, they are mild, and they intensify and intensify and intensify to a great degree just before birth. What we’re seeing in human history is just the beginning, is just the mild contractions; wait till you see what’s going to happen just before the very end.

Two thousand years of these milder contractions will explode in the end, in the time of tribulation, described starting in verse 14, and more in detail in Revelation 6 through 19. Amazing predictions by our Lord - destruction, deception, disaster - a fourth, distress; distress. From conditions that effect the whole world, our Lord turns to conditions that effect believers. This, I’m sure, the disciples didn’t want to hear. Verse 9: “Be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged” - and so he goes.

“Be on your guard” - a shock to their senses. It’s not going to get better, it’s going to get worse. This isn’t what they expected with the arrival of messiah - it’s not what they wanted - persecution, distress, to the believers? Well, that’s not new. He told them this was going to happen, back in chapter 10: “I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts, scourge you in the synagogues” - that was way back at the beginning of their time as disciples.

But I think they probably thought, “Oh, well, we’ve already suffered that. Yeah, we’ve already faced the hostility of the Jews. We’ve already seen their hatred and animosity” - even though there is no record in the ministry of Jesus that they were ever hauled into court and scourged and flogged. Maybe they thought that was metaphoric talk, and that was all past - not so. The next night - Thursday night - when they gather in the upper room, our Lord is going to tell them for sure - in case they were wondering - that this is definitely still future.

“If the world hates you” - John 15:18 – “you know it hated Me before you. A slave is not greater than his master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.” And then He says - in chapter 16 verse 2, this is on Thursday evening in the upper room - “They’ll make outcasts from the synagogues of you. They will kill you thinking they are offering service to God. You haven’t yet experienced this. You will experience it” - and as 2 Timothy 3:12 says, “All who live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” - it will be worse and worse, it will escalate.

Specifically, “they will deliver you to the courts and you’ll be flogged in the synagogue” - that’s Jewish persecution. The courts of Israel were in synagogues; courts were held in synagogues, cases were tried in synagogues, by local appointed judges, and scourgings were decreed in synagogues, and they were carried out and executed there, and never more than 40 lashes. That was the maximum, 40 lashes, and they always gave 39, because they didn’t want to miscount and go over the limit.

That’s why Paul says, “Five times I received 39 lashes from the Jews” - he was hauled into synagogues, he was accused of blasphemy, and he was beaten. But persecution will not only come from the Jews - and by the way, the book of Acts will give you the story of this; Acts 4, 5 , 8, 12, 13, 21, 22, 25, 26, you’ll have in all those chapters in the book of Acts, the record of Jewish persecution - but it won’t only be Jewish persecution. He tells them - go back to Mark - it will be Gentile persecution; in the middle of verse 9: “You will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them.”

Acts records that as well - Gentile persecution in chapter 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, 25 and 26 as well – so, it will come at you from the Jews, it’ll come at you from the Gentiles - and by the way, when you get to Revelation 6, 7, 13, 17, 18, you see the worst persecution just before the Lord comes. The big picture is, false religion has massacred Christians, and it’s doing it right now as we speak in this modern world. Why do they do this? They do this because they hate Christ. That’s why they do it; they resent Christ.

They do it “for My sake” - verse 9 – “for My sake, because of Me.” As Paul said, “I bear in my body the marks of Christ,” or as He said to the Colossians, “I fill up in my flesh the sufferings of Christ.” It’s a serious thing. They’re thinking the kingdom, and He’s telling them, “It’s not what you think; it’s not what you think, but in the midst of all of it” - this is so wonderful – “in the midst of all of it, you will give a testimony to them, because all that persecution will not break your faith; all that suffering will not cause you deny - to deny your Christ.

In the midst of all that suffering, grace will abound to you” - and where there is this kind of persecution, where there is this kind of suffering, grace abounds - 2 Corinthians 12 tells us that. The Lord gives us whatever grace we need, doesn’t allow us to be tempted above we are able, gives us a way of escape, and what will happen is, you will, in the midst of that suffering, give a testimony. We have a record of that, don’t we - Foxes Book of Martyrs - I have three original volumes, and they’re this big - the record of all the people who gave testimony to the honor of Christ in the midst of facing death.

And with that warning comes a promise: “the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.” In spite of the hatred, the gospel is going to go to the ends of the world; they will not stamp it out - in fact, we always say the blood of the martyrs becomes the seed of the church. In Acts 1:8, He said, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel; Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth; be My witnesses.” We are 2,000 years after that, and the gospel has, for all intents and purposes, covered the world, hasn’t it?

It’s covered the world; 2,000 years later, it has spread to the ends of the globe - just what Jesus said - you can’t kill it. Just imagine this: He’s sitting there with these 12 men, one of whom was going to betray Him in a few hours - that little group of nobodies - and Jesus says, “From you the gospel will cover the globe.” What a prophecy, that has come to pass. Matthew 24:14 then adds, “Then shall the end come.” Persecution, yes - but in spite of that persecution, the promise that the gospel will cover the globe, and then a personal promise in verse 11.

“And when they arrest you and when they hand you over, don’t worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit.” Isn’t that a wonderful promise? Sometimes you read about the martyrs singing hymns, giving testimony to Christ. I’ve spent years and years and years reading those testimonies, and the power of the Holy Spirit would come upon them, and they would utter things that in the human moment were just way beyond human strength and power; this is comfort, so, they get a promise and a comfort.

“None of your opponents” - Luke 21:15 says, “None of your opponents will be able to refute it” – “your testimony will be so powerful.” That’s what happened. Virtually all of the apostles were martyred; the last of them, John, ended up as an exile, a kind of permanent martyrdom. They were killed in a myriad of different ways - beheaded, crucified - that didn’t stop the spread, and in the moment of their death - as with all true believers through history in the midst of persecution - the Spirit of God was there to lift them above human strength, to say things that were basically generated out of their hearts by the work of the Holy Spirit.

In verse 12, Jesus says not only will you be persecuted by the Jews, and persecuted by the Gentiles, you’ll be persecuted in your own family: “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death.” I just can’t imagine how hard it was for them to hear this; they had so much hope. Oh, there are people who say, “Well, Jesus came, made a good effort - miserable failure.” Huh, He predicted exactly the way history would go; exactly the way it would go.

There would be literally animosity in a family. Go back to Matthew 10 - it’s all in Matthew 10, it’s in Matthew 14 - how many times do you remember Jesus saying, “You have to hate your father, hate your mother, your sister, your brother, even your own life, to be My disciple?” This is reality, and again I say, reality corresponds to Scripture. Jesus was correct about the destruction of the temple. He was correct about endless deception, escalating at the end, so you have Jesus here and Jesus there.

He was correct about disasters of all proportions escalating. He was correct about the distress of persecution and martyrdom, and about the spread of the gospel to the ends of the earth. He must be God; only God knows that. And then one final statement - verse 13 - “You’ll be hated by all because of My name” – “it’ll be because of Me” - “but the one who endures to the end will be saved.” The one who endures to the end will be saved - what do you mean, saved? Taken to glory; taken to heaven. What do you mean, the one who endures to the end?

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Full sermon here -

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/41-66/the-grim-reality-of-the-last-days

bahmer

Amen and Amen very good there Rose thanks for this posting. Rose this is a viedeo from an ex Muslim describing what you have spoken about here. You will get the jist of this video in the first say 10 minutes or so but the entire video is interesting.
https://youtu.be/uhfB0YO1s_o

You may have to rewind or drag the video back to the beginning to get to the beginning Rose.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

This was interesting...

Will share it with some friends and get some feedback...

Does he provide and verses to back up his claims? (I hate it when I provide something that is complete fiction..)


Who thinks Islam is a completely different religion with no connection to Christianity?

Rose42

Thanks bahmer. This isn’t the first time I’ve read about this. This man does his research. I will check the video too thanks

Rose42

I included the link. I’ve never seen this man lie as you are not so subtly suggesting. Yet I have seen you readily swallow untruths which is ironic.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The link didn't provide any verses for what he was saying...

How do you know he isn't lying if you don't verify the information?

Trust is fine... But don't be upset when others ask for sources/ proof/ evidence to support an argument...


What untruth have I "readily swallowed"?
Seriously...

Rose42

I’m not upset. Lol. You can look into it or not. To suggest he’s lying is just ignorance on your part.

I’ve read his crtiques of the blasphemies in the Catholic church and checked just about all of his sources. I’ve checked a lot of his sources in other articles as well. He knows his subjects.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I am not suggesting he is lying...
I am pointing out a flaw in his argument and asking if he has addressed it elsewhere...

As you are familiar with his work and I am not it stands to reason that you would trust him whereas I would be moee tentative...

I find it interesting because many Christians who attempt to dissect Islam tend to do so by faulty reasoning...

I am currently looking into the work of a man named Jay Smith... Are you familiar with him?

A friend (who also believes that Islam and Christianity worship different gods... Although he classifies the Jews with Muslims as well) recommended him...

I have only read a few articles... But he seems more capable than most...

Rose42

Some maybe but some also nail it.



Its been a while since I read his historical critique of the koran so no I’m not. I will have to revisit it.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I have only read a few of his articles... Apparently he has some videos that are better (I prefer the written word ) but I haven't watched any yet...

I don't mind religious discussion... But I dislike it when misinformation is presented as fact... Or when verses are "edited" to fIt the narrative being presented...

If he holds up I may post a few of his articles...

Too bad there are no Muslims in the OPP to debate with...

bahmer

The video that I have presented above was by Walid Shoebat who was born into a Muslim family in Jerusalem and was raised Muslim. He came to the United States when he was young to how do you say it do jihad or perform jihad here in our country. He fell in love and married a catholic woman who grew tired of him complaining and bashing Christianity all of the time so she told him to get a bible and read it so that he would know what he was talking about. He started reading the bible and he was converted. The above video goes into more detail and there are other videos that he has produced as well under his name on youtube. If you are interested you can go there and listen for yourself and you may understand where my feelings and thoughts come from regarding Muslims. Have a good day Bruce.

Rose42

There's also a good book by Nabeel Qureshi - Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus - that details his conversion. He was a devout muslim who saw that islam is not a path to God. There are many examples.

bahmer

I will have to look into Nadeel Quereshi and see what I can find does he have videos as well?

Rose42

Here's one where he describes his journey from islam to Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBGK-8fjpHM

I have seen the Walid Shoebat one before but its been a while. Good testimony. There are a lot of good testimonies out there.