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May 17, 2019 15:35:12   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
All this psychobabble because some progressive ideologues convinced you that human activity is causing a catastrophic greenhouse effect. I always thought there was a limit to how far human ignorance could sink, but you have removed all doubt.

In Their Own Words: Climate Alarmists Debunk Their 'Science'

How Climate Alarmism Advances International Political Agendas:

The term “climate” is typically associated with annual world-wide average temperature records measured over at least three decades. Yet g****l w*****g observed less than two decades after many scientists had predicted a g****l c*****g crisis prompted the United Nations to organize an Intergovernmental Panel on C*****e C****e (IPCC), and to convene a continuing series of international conferences purportedly aimed at preventing an impending catastrophe. Virtually from the beginning, they had already attributed the “crisis” to human fossil-fuel carbon emissions.

A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the g****l w*****g issue. Even if the theory of g****l w*****g is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight c*****e c****e.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said: “A g****l w*****g treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of g****l w*****g is all phony…c*****e c****e [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and e******y in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on C*****e C****e in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC’s climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”

How Some Key IPCC Researchers View Their Science:

For starters, let’s begin with two different views by some of the same researchers that are reported in the same year regarding whether there is a discernible human influence on global climate.

First, taken from a 1996 IPCC report summary written by B.D. Santer, T.M.L Wigley, T.P. Barnett, and E. Anyamba: “…there is evidence of an emerging pattern of climate response to forcings by greenhouse gases and sulph**e aerosols…from geographical, seasonal and vertical patterns of temperature change…These results point towards human influence on climate.”

Then, a 1996 publication “The Holocene”, by T.P. Barnett, B.D. Santer, P.D. Jones, R.S. Bradley and K.R. Briffa, says this: “Estimates of…natural variability are critical to the problem of detecting an anthropogenic [human] signal…We have estimated the spectrum…from paleo-temperature proxies and compared it with…general [climate] circulation models…none of the three estimates of the natural variability spectrum agree with each other…Until…resolved, it will be hard to say, with confidence, that an anthropogenic climate signal has or has not been detected.”

In other words, these guys, several of whom you will hear from later, can’t say with confidence whether or not humans have had any influence at all…or even if so, whether it has caused warming or cooling!

IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, c*****e c****e policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth...”

The late Stephen Schneider, who authored The Genesis Strategy, a 1976 book warning that g****l c*****g risks posed a threat to humanity, later changed that view 180 degrees, serving as a lead author for important parts of three sequential IPCC reports. In a quotation published in Discover, he said: “On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, on the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context t***slates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that, we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of the doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of 2001 and 2007 IPCC report chapters, writing in a 2007 “Predictions of Climate” blog appearing in the science journal Nature.com, admitted: “None of the models used by the IPCC are initialized to the observed state and none of the climate states in the models correspond even remotely to the current observed state”.

Christopher Landsea, a top expert on the subject of cyclones, became astounded and perplexed when he was informed that Trenberth had participated in a 2004 press conference following a deadly 2004 Florida storm season which had announced “Experts warn that g****l w*****g [is] likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense activity.” Since IPCC studies released in 1995 and 2001 had found no evidence of a g****l w*****g-hurricane link, and there was no new analysis to suggest otherwise, he wrote to leading IPCC officials imploring: “What scientific, refereed publications substantiate these pronouncements? What studies alluded to have shown a connection between observed warming trends on Earth and long-term trends of cyclone activity?”

Receiving no replies, he then requested assurance that the 2007 report would present true science, saying: “[Dr. Trenberth] seems to have come to a conclusion that g****l w*****g has altered hurricane activity, and has already stated so. This does not reflect consensus within the hurricane research community.” After that assurance didn’t come, Landsea, an invited author, resigned from the 2007 report activity and issued an open letter presenting his reasons.
All this psychobabble because some progressive ide... (show quote)






The human ignorance is all on the right. There is good reason Noam Chomsky a leading US intelectuall for the last 70 years has labled the Republican party the most dangerous organization on earth. It is now folled with far right wing extremeists all the liberals and most moderates have been expunged from that party

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May 17, 2019 15:37:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://youtu.be/YRe1ymYR45k
https://youtu.be/UKKYt6fWob8

The evidence of c*****e c****e due to g****l w*****g and caused by human activity is all around us
Sorry, Nik, but what is happening in the real world does not match up with what the AGW alarmists are trying to tell us. We here are experiencing the coldest wettest spring on record. Rain almost every day and temps are 25 to 35 degrees colder than normal for this time of year. We should be enjoying 80 degree weather now, but currently it is 53 and wet.

However, there is definitely a benefit to this weather. I have never seen the landscape so green and lush, which means a significant increase in oxygen released into the atmosphere.

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May 17, 2019 15:50:52   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
It is the pro science crowd that believes a fetus is not a viable human being until it can survive on its own out side the womb which is around 24 weeks
An average of 4 million babies are born each year in the US, around 24,000 are still born. The causes of still birth have much more to do with the health of the mother than with the fetus--Placental abruption, high blood pressure, poor health, smoking, alcohol and drug abuse.

What this means is that 99.4% of pregnancies result in the birth of a live baby. Sounds like a hell of a lot of viable fetuses to me.

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May 17, 2019 15:50:59   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
There have been pictures of dead birds around windmills posted here. Who's to say Trump hasn't seen them? He probably has. So, he didn't lie.
Next.







Trump hasn't seen any such thing he h**es wind farms because Scotland built one a mile of shore from his Golf Course in Aberdeen Scotland ruining the view from his planed luxury hotel and world class club house he appealed to Scottish Parliament to stop its construction and was rebuffed so he sued the whole damned country but lost after spending millions. As it is both his golf courses in Scotland are bleeding red ink. Why fly to Scotland to play on his curses when one can play Saint Andrews the holy grail of golf courses

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May 17, 2019 15:59:02   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, after a hot dry summer last year, this neck of the woods is definitely enjoying a big drink of water.






That's the way it works big swings in weather

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May 17, 2019 17:47:34   #
trucksterbud
 
Kevyn wrote:
For you members of the Pumpkinfuhrer’s cult ask yourselves this. how stupid must he think his followers are to tell whoppers like this?


Keep it going Kevvy…. Love you posts... Show the level of TDS you suffer from... And how lost and clueless you really are. Thanks for the laugh...

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May 17, 2019 17:49:42   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Nickolai wrote:
Not far from where I live there is a wind farm that originally had smaller towers and turbines. They were k*****g a lot of birds. They were all replaced with giant towers with giant slower turning blades. There have been no more reports of dead birds and I have yet to see a maintenance working on them. They just sit there slowly turning and generating power for tens of thousands of homes. F****l f**ls are the technology 19th century Its days have come nd will soon go


Sorry Nic, but I questioned my son, who climbs the big ones every day, and who has been through umpteen training schools on them about the blade speed k*****g birds. While it looks like those blades are slowly turning, out at the tip, they're going 120mph, or more.
And they require constant maintenance. The main, huge, pillow block bearing on the main shaft going from the blades to the gearbox alone requires at least 6 tubes of grease a month. That's one bearing. Then there are filters, brushes, breaks, the things that make the blades turn out of the wind to make it stop, and a host of other things.

On one of the rare times he was here with my grandson, he sat on my couch, and used his tablet to talk one into restarting. Bypass this, ignore that, and I'll come pet you on Monday go back to work. He said that every tower has its own personality, and that one is exceptionally needy.

Just because they look like they're out there just peacefully saving the planet doesn't mean that they are.

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May 17, 2019 17:55:12   #
Jean Deaux
 
Nickolai wrote:
The human ignorance is all on the right. There is good reason Noam Chomsky a leading US intelectuall for the last 70 years has labled the Republican party the most dangerous organization on earth. It is now folled with far right wing extremeists all the liberals and most moderates have been expunged from that party


From your response, you had best reserve a large helping of "human ignorance" for your own bowl. Noam Chomsky is certainly a far cry from a leading US intellectual. He is nothing more than another wilted political hack, favored only by dreamers who crave socialism with its many inherent weaknesses. Were it not for the Republicans, the nation would be following democrat/socialist policies with their ne-er do well philosophies adored only by crack pots and extremists and with our future pointed straight down!

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May 17, 2019 18:06:57   #
Jean Deaux
 
Nickolai wrote:
Trump hasn't seen any such thing he h**es wind farms because Scotland built one a mile of shore from his Golf Course in Aberdeen Scotland ruining the view from his planed luxury hotel and world class club house he appealed to Scottish Parliament to stop its construction and was rebuffed so he sued the whole damned country but lost after spending millions. As it is both his golf courses in Scotland are bleeding red ink. Why fly to Scotland to play on his curses when one can play Saint Andrews the holy grail of golf courses
Trump hasn't seen any such thing he h**es wind far... (show quote)


I'll bet you bit on the story that he decided he could supplement his income by selling MAGA hats, as well. It will behoove you to do some work on your spelling and punctuation; portions of your comment beg for clarification. Just how much red ink are his Scottish golf courses bleeding? Where did you come across this rare pearl of information or do you have a source? And how far do you have to travel to play St. Andrews?

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May 17, 2019 23:13:47   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
archie bunker wrote:
Sorry Nic, but I questioned my son, who climbs the big ones every day, and who has been through umpteen training schools on them about the blade speed k*****g birds. While it looks like those blades are slowly turning, out at the tip, they're going 120mph, or more.
And they require constant maintenance. The main, huge, pillow block bearing on the main shaft going from the blades to the gearbox alone requires at least 6 tubes of grease a month. That's one bearing. Then there are filters, brushes, breaks, the things that make the blades turn out of the wind to make it stop, and a host of other things.

On one of the rare times he was here with my grandson, he sat on my couch, and used his tablet to talk one into restarting. Bypass this, ignore that, and I'll come pet you on Monday go back to work. He said that every tower has its own personality, and that one is exceptionally needy.

Just because they look like they're out there just peacefully saving the planet doesn't mean that they are.
Sorry Nic, but I questioned my son, who climbs the... (show quote)


No matter what anybody says there is only a 30% return on the cost of building one of those windmill producers of power. The cost of building it, installing it and repair and maintenance and disposable use's f****l f**ls regardless of what the return. You will never get away from f****l f**ls. It takes f****l f**ls to build the products for the green machines. This is a fact that no one can refute. Green cannot replace the f****l f**l use in any kind of way. Prove me wrong.

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May 18, 2019 00:04:44   #
trucksterbud
 
permafrost wrote:
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

Climate Myth...
There's no empirical evidence
"There is no actual evidence that carbon dioxide emissions are causing g****l w*****g. Note that computer models are just concatenations of calculations you could do on a hand-held calculator, so they are theoretical and cannot be part of any evidence." (David Evans)

The proof that man-made CO2 is causing g****l w*****g is like the chain of evidence in a court case. CO2 keeps the Earth warmer than it would be without it. Humans are adding CO2 to the atmosphere, mainly by burning f****l f**ls. And there is empirical evidence that the rising temperatures are being caused by the increased CO2.

The Earth is wrapped in an invisible blanket

It is the Earth’s atmosphere that makes most life possible. To understand this, we can look at the moon. On the surface, the moon’s temperature during daytime can reach 100°C (212°F). At night, it can plunge to minus 173°C, or -279.4°F. In comparison, the coldest temperature on Earth was recorded in Antarctica: −89.2°C (−128.6°F). According to the WMO, the hottest was 56.7°C (134°F), measured on 10 July 1913 at Greenland Ranch (Death Valley).

Man could not survive in the temperatures on the moon, even if there was air to breathe. Humans, plants and animals can’t tolerate the extremes of temperature on Earth unless they evolve special ways to deal with the heat or the cold. Nearly all life on Earth lives in areas that are more hospitable, where temperatures are far less extreme.

Yet the Earth and the moon are virtually the same distance from the sun, so why do we experience much less heat and cold than the moon? The answer is because of our atmosphere. The moon doesn’t have one, so it is exposed to the full strength of energy coming from the sun. At night, temperatures plunge because there is no atmosphere to keep the heat in, as there is on Earth.

The laws of physics tell us that without the atmosphere, the Earth would be approximately 33°C (59.4°F) cooler than it actually is.

This would make most of the surface uninhabitable for humans. Agriculture as we know it would be more or less impossible if the average temperature was −18 °C. In other words, it would be freezing cold even at the height of summer.

The reason that the Earth is warm enough to sustain life is because of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These gases act like a blanket, keeping the Earth warm by preventing some of the sun’s energy being re-radiated into space. The effect is exactly the same as wrapping yourself in a blanket – it reduces heat loss from your body and keeps you warm.

If we add more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, the effect is like wrapping yourself in a thicker blanket: even less heat is lost. So how can we tell what effect CO2 is having on temperatures, and if the increase in atmospheric CO2 is really making the planet warmer?

One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere.





Total Earth Heat Content from Church et al. (2011)

What can keep the energy in the atmosphere? The answer is greenhouse gases. Science has known about the effect of certain gases for over a century. They ‘capture’ energy, and then emit it in random directions. The primary greenhouse gases – carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), water vapour, nitrous oxide and ozone – comprise around 1% of the air.

This tiny amount has a very powerful effect, keeping the planet 33°C (59.4°F) warmer than it would be without them. (The main components of the atmosphere – nitrogen and oxygen – are not greenhouse gases, because they are virtually unaffected by long-wave, or infrared, radiation). This is the second piece of evidence: a provable mechanism by which energy can be trapped in the atmosphere.

For our next piece of evidence, we must look at the amount of CO2 in the air. We know from bubbles of air trapped in ice cores that before the industrial revolution, the amount of CO2 in the air was approximately 280 parts per million (ppm). In June 2013, the NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory in Hawaii announced that, for the first time in thousands of years, the amount of CO2 in the air had gone up to 400ppm. That information gives us the next piece of evidence; CO2 has increased by nearly 43% in the last 150 years.





Atmospheric CO2 levels (Green is Law Dome ice core, Blue is Mauna Loa, Hawaii) and Cumulative CO2 emissions (CDIAC). While atmospheric CO2 levels are usually expressed in parts per million, here they are displayed as the amount of CO2 residing in the atmosphere in gigatonnes. CO2 emissions includes f****l f**l emissions, cement production and emissions from gas flaring.

The Smoking Gun
The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:



Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Greenhouse effect from water vapor is filtered out, showing the contributions of other greenhouse gases (Evans 2006).

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2.

Summing Up
Like a detective story, first you need a victim, in this case the planet Earth: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere.

Then you need a method, and ask how the energy could be made to remain. For that, you need a provable mechanism by which energy can be trapped in the atmosphere, and greenhouse gases provide that mechanism.

Next, you need a ‘motive’. Why has this happened? Because CO2 has increased by nearly 50% in the last 150 years and the increase is from burning f****l f**ls.

And finally, the smoking gun, the evidence that proves ‘whodunit’: energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelengths of energy captured by CO2.

The last point is what places CO2 at the scene of the crime. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up.
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-fo... (show quote)


All that, and not one damn clue to the fact that HUMAN BEINGS emit CO2. Motor vehicles emit... CO (its called Carbon Monoxide) All the drum beating is to.... be able to tax you to breathe. Ever pick up on that...>>>???

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May 18, 2019 05:01:03   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
valkyrierider wrote:
No matter what anybody says there is only a 30% return on the cost of building one of those windmill producers of power. The cost of building it, installing it and repair and maintenance and disposable use's f****l f**ls regardless of what the return. You will never get away from f****l f**ls. It takes f****l f**ls to build the products for the green machines. This is a fact that no one can refute. Green cannot replace the f****l f**l use in any kind of way. Prove me wrong.


You are not. There is, however, an option. Residential, on site applications of solar power and wind power, while not replacing f****l f**ls, can go a long way toward reducing dependency in some areas of the country where there is plenty of wind and sunshine. Any power source becomes less efficient the further it gets from it's usage point. If solar technology, especially, became more affordable, (along with better, more efficient batteries that don't cost an arm and leg) in the Southwest, smaller units could reduce dependency on f****l f**ls by quite a bit. I am talking home units, even enough to power a fridge and A/C and maybe a couple of household appliances. Solar is still pretty damn expensive, but the prices are coming down.
Even a ten percent reduction in several states would go a long way, but we are not there yet and tree huggers would have us "jump the gun" and move away from f****l f**l before there is a viable alternative. There may never be one to completely wean us. Fusion is years in the future.

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May 18, 2019 11:21:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
teabag09 wrote:
But they do fry birds in flight. Get a firkin life AH. Mike


As if you right wingers gave a rip..

the only style of solar which k**ls them, not quite the way you claim, is the one with a central elevated heat absorb er at which the panels are focused.

The temp at the focus point can reach 2000 degrees. that is in deed hard on bird life, but so is flying into your windows..

in this nation, do we have more heat towers, or more windows???



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May 18, 2019 11:26:35   #
Kazudy
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://youtu.be/YRe1ymYR45k
https://youtu.be/UKKYt6fWob8

The evidence of c*****e c****e due to g****l w*****g and caused by human activity is all around us


Here is THE REAL T***H!!!



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May 18, 2019 11:27:03   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
As if you right wingers gave a rip..

the only style of solar which k**ls them, not quite the way you claim, is the one with a central elevated heat absorb er at which the panels are focused.

The temp at the focus point can reach 2000 degrees. that is in deed hard on bird life, but so is flying into your windows..

in this nation, do we have more heat towers, or more windows???


All of this wind, and solar stuff is great as long as you don't have to look at it, right? It's fantastic in my back yard with the t***smission lines carrying it to your place with an unrestricted view of the landscape, right?
Typical l*****t.

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