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May 15, 2019 14:47:55   #
Kevyn (a regular here)
 
For you members of the Pumpkinfuhrer’s cult ask yourselves this. how stupid must he think his followers are to tell whoppers like this?







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May 15, 2019 15:00:24   #
son of witless (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
For you members of the Pumpkinfuhrer’s cult ask yourselves this. how stupid must he think his followers are to tell whoppers like this?


It was Obama who had the cult of useful idiots worshiping the water he walked on. Trump is right about birds of prey being killed by wind turbines. You will notice that

I did not use some right wing source.,

https://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

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May 15, 2019 15:01:39   #
son of witless (a regular here)
 
son of witless wrote:
It was Obama who had the cult of useful idiots worshiping the water he walked on. Trump is right about birds of prey being killed by wind turbines. You will notice that

I did not use some right wing source.,

https://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

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May 15, 2019 15:36:25   #
Liberty Tree (a regular here)
 
There is no greater enemy to a liberal than the truth.

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May 15, 2019 15:49:30   #
Blade_Runner (a regular here)
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
There is no greater enemy to a liberal than the truth.


And that is the truth.

Associated Press: Final wind-turbine rule permits thousands of eagle deaths

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Wednesday finalized a rule that lets wind-energy companies operate high-speed turbines for up to 30 years — even if means killing or injuring thousands of federally protected bald and golden eagles.

Under the new rule, wind companies and other power providers will not face a penalty if they kill or injure up to 4,200 bald eagles, nearly four times the current limit. Deaths of the more rare golden eagles would be allowed without penalty so long as companies minimize losses by taking steps such as retrofitting power poles to reduce the risk of electrocution.

The new rule will conserve eagles while also spurring development of a pollution-free energy source intended to ease global warming, a cornerstone of President Barack Obama’s energy plan, said Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dan Ashe.

“No animal says America like the bald eagle,” Ashe said in a statement, calling recovery of the bald eagle “one of our greatest national conservation achievements.” The new rule attempts to build on that success, Ashe said, adding that the Fish and Wildlife Service is trying to balance energy development with eagle conservation.

Wind power has increased significantly since Obama took office, and wind turbines as tall as 30-story buildings are rising across the country. The wind towers have spinning rotors as wide as a passenger jet’s wingspan, and blades reach speeds of up to 170 mph at the tips, creating tornado-like vortexes.

The surge in wind power has generally been well-received in the environmental community, but bird deaths — and eagle deaths in particular — have been a source of contention.

The birds are not endangered species but are protected under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. The laws prohibit killing, selling or otherwise harming eagles, their nests or eggs without a permit.

It’s unclear what toll wind energy companies are having on eagle populations, although Ashe said as many 500 golden eagles a year are killed by collisions with wind towers, power lines, buildings, cars and trucks. Thousands more are killed by gunshots and poisonings.

Reporting of eagle mortality is voluntary, and the Interior Department refuses to release the information.

The Fish and Wildlife Service estimates there are about 143,000 bald eagles in the United States, and 40,000 golden eagles.

The new rule is set to take effect in mid-January, days before Obama leaves office. President-elect Donald Trump could change the rule or scrap it, but the process would likely takes months or years.

Ashe declined to be interviewed, but he said in a blog entry Wednesday the total number of eagles killed per year is likely to be in the hundreds, not thousands.

“We can’t eliminate human-caused eagle loss any more than we can eliminate risk from any other facet of modern life,” Ashe wrote, but the new rule should reduce deaths and allow officials to better manage risks to bald and golden eagles.

Michael Hutchins of the American Bird Conservancy said Wednesday that his group has “some serious concerns” that the new rule will not do not enough to sustain populations of threatened eagles.

Still, Hutchins said, he is encouraged that the rule requires independent contractors to provide data on bird kills to the government, rather than allowing energy companies to submit the information. He also praised a requirement for greater public reporting of data on the numbers of birds killed by wind turbines.

Permits issued by the government would be reviewed every five years, and companies would have to submit reports of how many eagles they kill.

Tom Kiernan, CEO of the American Wind Energy Association, said the industry was still reading the final rule, but said wind companies “strongly support its core purpose — eagle conservation.”

Kiernan said the industry is working to further reduce what called its “minimal impact” on eagles in hopes of “maintaining healthy eagle populations for generations to come.”

Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought

How Do Wind Turbines Kill Birds?











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May 15, 2019 16:09:59   #
JW (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
For you members of the Pumpkinfuhrer’s cult ask yourselves this. how stupid must he think his followers are to tell whoppers like this?


The real question, Kevy, is how braindead does one have to be to not have heard about this problem years ago when it was first announced? It hasn't been a secret.

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May 15, 2019 16:26:43   #
Smedley_buzkill (a regular here)
 
JW wrote:
The real question, Kevy, is how braindead does one have to be to not have heard about this problem years ago when it was first announced? It hasn't been a secret.


Being brain dead requires the possession of a brain at some point in time. That leaves Kevy boy out.

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May 15, 2019 16:42:44   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
JW wrote:
The real question, Kevy, is how braindead does one have to be to not have heard about this problem years ago when it was first announced? It hasn't been a secret.


It's also a problem with solar farms that actually fry birds in flight. Mike

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May 15, 2019 16:59:52   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
And that is the truth.

Associated Press: Final wind-turbine rule permits thousands of eagle deaths

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Wednesday finalized a rule that lets wind-energy companies operate high-speed turbines for up to 30 years — even if means killing or injuring thousands of federally protected bald and golden eagles.

Under the new rule, wind companies and other power providers will not face a penalty if they kill or injure up to 4,200 bald eagles, nearly four times the current limit. Deaths of the more rare golden eagles would be allowed without penalty so long as companies minimize losses by taking steps such as retrofitting power poles to reduce the risk of electrocution.

The new rule will conserve eagles while also spurring development of a pollution-free energy source intended to ease global warming, a cornerstone of President Barack Obama’s energy plan, said Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dan Ashe.

“No animal says America like the bald eagle,” Ashe said in a statement, calling recovery of the bald eagle “one of our greatest national conservation achievements.” The new rule attempts to build on that success, Ashe said, adding that the Fish and Wildlife Service is trying to balance energy development with eagle conservation.

Wind power has increased significantly since Obama took office, and wind turbines as tall as 30-story buildings are rising across the country. The wind towers have spinning rotors as wide as a passenger jet’s wingspan, and blades reach speeds of up to 170 mph at the tips, creating tornado-like vortexes.

The surge in wind power has generally been well-received in the environmental community, but bird deaths — and eagle deaths in particular — have been a source of contention.

The birds are not endangered species but are protected under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. The laws prohibit killing, selling or otherwise harming eagles, their nests or eggs without a permit.

It’s unclear what toll wind energy companies are having on eagle populations, although Ashe said as many 500 golden eagles a year are killed by collisions with wind towers, power lines, buildings, cars and trucks. Thousands more are killed by gunshots and poisonings.

Reporting of eagle mortality is voluntary, and the Interior Department refuses to release the information.

The Fish and Wildlife Service estimates there are about 143,000 bald eagles in the United States, and 40,000 golden eagles.

The new rule is set to take effect in mid-January, days before Obama leaves office. President-elect Donald Trump could change the rule or scrap it, but the process would likely takes months or years.

Ashe declined to be interviewed, but he said in a blog entry Wednesday the total number of eagles killed per year is likely to be in the hundreds, not thousands.

“We can’t eliminate human-caused eagle loss any more than we can eliminate risk from any other facet of modern life,” Ashe wrote, but the new rule should reduce deaths and allow officials to better manage risks to bald and golden eagles.

Michael Hutchins of the American Bird Conservancy said Wednesday that his group has “some serious concerns” that the new rule will not do not enough to sustain populations of threatened eagles.

Still, Hutchins said, he is encouraged that the rule requires independent contractors to provide data on bird kills to the government, rather than allowing energy companies to submit the information. He also praised a requirement for greater public reporting of data on the numbers of birds killed by wind turbines.

Permits issued by the government would be reviewed every five years, and companies would have to submit reports of how many eagles they kill.

Tom Kiernan, CEO of the American Wind Energy Association, said the industry was still reading the final rule, but said wind companies “strongly support its core purpose — eagle conservation.”

Kiernan said the industry is working to further reduce what called its “minimal impact” on eagles in hopes of “maintaining healthy eagle populations for generations to come.”

Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought

How Do Wind Turbines Kill Birds?
And that is the truth. br br b Associated Press:... (show quote)





It is true what they say about you right wingers.. no lie is beyond you repeating..

I would have to say, you did not bother to read your own post...

excerpt from your post....

It’s unclear what toll wind energy companies are having on eagle populations, although Ashe said as many 500 golden eagles a year are killed by collisions with wind towers, power lines, buildings, cars and trucks. Thousands more are killed by gunshots and poisonings.

I also have some doubt that your article came from the associated press, seems more in tune with the right wing nut cases.. any lie to stop progress..



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May 15, 2019 17:09:00   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
JW wrote:
The real question, Kevy, is how braindead does one have to be to not have heard about this problem years ago when it was first announced? It hasn't been a secret.




It is nothing unique to wind power.. electric lines, cables of all sorts have killed bird from the first pole and wire strung in the world..

And to this day and forever the greatest killer of birds are the windows in our homes and businesses..

this idea has always been one of the most pathetic of all attempts to put renewable energy in a bad light..

and it is completely stupid and hopeless as Audubon has also made known..



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May 15, 2019 17:12:40   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
It's also a problem with solar farms that actually fry birds in flight. Mike


That is rare and is only with one design.. the usual panel design have no such problem at all..



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May 15, 2019 17:43:01   #
son of witless (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
It is true what they say about you right wingers.. no lie is beyond you repeating..

I would have to say, you did not bother to read your own post...

excerpt from your post....

It’s unclear what toll wind energy companies are having on eagle populations, although Ashe said as many 500 golden eagles a year are killed by collisions with wind towers, power lines, buildings, cars and trucks. Thousands more are killed by gunshots and poisonings.

I also have some doubt that your article came from the associated press, seems more in tune with the right wing nut cases.. any lie to stop progress..
It is true what they say about you right wingers..... (show quote)


If you had bothered to read my previous response and clicked the link you would have seen this article from those wascawy white wingers the Audubon Society. So tell me, will you believe them ?

https://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

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May 15, 2019 17:44:20   #
Blade_Runner (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
It is true what they say about you right wingers.. no lie is beyond you repeating..

I would have to say, you did not bother to read your own post...

excerpt from your post....

It’s unclear what toll wind energy companies are having on eagle populations, although Ashe said as many 500 golden eagles a year are killed by collisions with wind towers, power lines, buildings, cars and trucks. Thousands more are killed by gunshots and poisonings.

I also have some doubt that your article came from the associated press, seems more in tune with the right wing nut cases.. any lie to stop progress..
It is true what they say about you right wingers..... (show quote)
Oh, shut up. You never offer an objective POV on anything. You obsess over the "orange man" like a teenage girl with pimples vying for prom queen. The man seems to haunt you 24/7.

The death rates of birds caused by wind turbines is a minor issue considering the overall environmental impact of those farms.

The construction and maintenance of wind-energy facilities alter ecosystem structure, through vegetation clearing, soil disruption, and potential for erosion, and this is particularly problematic in areas that are difficult to reclaim, such as desert, shrub-steppe, and forested areas. In the MidAtlantic Highlands forest clearing represents perhaps the most significant potential change through fragmentation and loss of habitat for forest-dependent species.

I've seen massive wind farms and there is nothing about them that are a benefit to our ecosystem.

And all this for what? To offset an ideologically driven scam to fleece the nations of the world and destroy the only engine of prosperity known to man?




Wind farms Neither wind nor solar energy sources are going to replace fossil fuels any time soon, if ever.

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May 15, 2019 17:53:33   #
son of witless (a regular here)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh, shut up. You never offer an objective POV on anything. You obsess over the "orange man" like a teenage girl with pimples vying for prom queen. The man seems to haunt you 24/7.

The death rates of birds caused by wind turbines is a minor issue considering the overall environmental impact of those farms.

The construction and maintenance of wind-energy facilities alter ecosystem structure, through vegetation clearing, soil disruption, and potential for erosion, and this is particularly problematic in areas that are difficult to reclaim, such as desert, shrub-steppe, and forested areas. In the MidAtlantic Highlands forest clearing represents perhaps the most significant potential change through fragmentation and loss of habitat for forest-dependent species.

I've seen massive wind farms and there is nothing about them that are a benefit to our ecosystem.

And all this for what? To offset an ideologically driven scam to fleece the nations of the world and destroy the only engine of prosperity known to man?




Wind farms Neither wind nor solar energy sources are going to replace fossil fuels any time soon, if ever.
Oh, shut up. You never offer an objective POV on a... (show quote)


Minor minor details against the threat of Global Warming, Capitalism, and Donald Trump.

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May 15, 2019 17:57:05   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
It is nothing unique to wind power.. electric lines, cables of all sorts have killed bird from the first pole and wire strung in the world..

And to this day and forever the greatest killer of birds are the windows in our homes and businesses..

this idea has always been one of the most pathetic of all attempts to put renewable energy in a bad light..

and it is completely stupid and hopeless as Audubon has also made known..


How many of those things ruin the landscape where you live? I live out in the sticks, and would like to look at the stars from my porch. But no!! The horizon is covered wall to wall East, and West with red blinking lights! Kinda FKD up my quality of life, bit that's OK. I'm not a Democrat, progressive, so I deserve it, right?

BTW, my son works on those things for a living, and he was all about it at first, but now, knowing what he does, he's working on getting out of it. They don't pay their freight, they kill raptors, and pollute the ground around them with oil, and grease. Plus, the companies that run them don't respect the work/life balance of their employees.

Seems to me that other than not paying their freight, you leftists should hate them too.

But, nah! They're gonna make life better for everybody!!

Not so much......

We have thousands of them around here along with the transmission lines, and towers ruining our landscape, and our electric bill only goes up.

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