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May 14, 2019 08:15:58   #
no propaganda please (a regular here)
 
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May 14, 2019 08:51:11   #
Kevyn (a regular here)
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Source?


Right in his post it gives three very credible sources. The FBI crime statistics, the journal Criminology and the conservative Cato Institute. What more do you expect?

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May 14, 2019 09:14:22   #
CodyCoonhound
 
rumitoid wrote:
Like all autocrats, Trump needs an enemy for his followers to focus on, build hate to secure the base. Give them that and he can marry a gay imam in ISIS and they will still adore him, turning a blind eye to anything he does. That his attacks on Mexican immigrants is purposefully charged to create division and fear is obvious from the many lies he tells to maintain the false assault on them.

U.S. cities that take in larger numbers of undocumented immigrants do not see a correlation with higher rates of violent and property crime, a new study by the Marshall Project and the New York Times has found.

The study debunks one of President Trump’s favorite talking points, that undocumented immigrants represent a criminal risk to Americans. That idea has been central to Trump’s political rise and was articulated when he announced his candidacy for president on June 16, 2015.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. they’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists,” Trump said.

Since taking office, Trump has repeated the claim that undocumented immigrants are prone to crime and that U.S. metro areas designated as “sanctuary cities” suffer as a result.

But the new study compared recent estimates of undocumented populations in metro areas with local crime rates published by the FBI and found that a significant majority of urban areas reported decreases in violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016.

The study showed that the decreases in metro crime rates were independent of changes in the undocumented population.

The new research, while perhaps the most detailed, is just the latest to refute Trump’s claims about undocumented immigrants and crime.

A 2018 study by the Cato Institute, for example, found that in Texas, immigrants — legal or undocumented — committed fewer crimes than native-born U.S. residents. Another study across all 50 states had similar results.

A separate study published in March 2018 in the journal Criminology found that states with more undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than those with fewer.
Like all autocrats, Trump needs an enemy for his f... (show quote)


So you are just so excited to visit San Francisco and LA and walk among the piles of human waste on the once pristine streets where workers and tourists used to roam.

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May 14, 2019 09:21:43   #
Wonttakeitanymore (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
Like all autocrats, Trump needs an enemy for his followers to focus on, build hate to secure the base. Give them that and he can marry a gay imam in ISIS and they will still adore him, turning a blind eye to anything he does. That his attacks on Mexican immigrants is purposefully charged to create division and fear is obvious from the many lies he tells to maintain the false assault on them.

U.S. cities that take in larger numbers of undocumented immigrants do not see a correlation with higher rates of violent and property crime, a new study by the Marshall Project and the New York Times has found.

The study debunks one of President Trump’s favorite talking points, that undocumented immigrants represent a criminal risk to Americans. That idea has been central to Trump’s political rise and was articulated when he announced his candidacy for president on June 16, 2015.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. they’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists,” Trump said.

Since taking office, Trump has repeated the claim that undocumented immigrants are prone to crime and that U.S. metro areas designated as “sanctuary cities” suffer as a result.

But the new study compared recent estimates of undocumented populations in metro areas with local crime rates published by the FBI and found that a significant majority of urban areas reported decreases in violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016.

The study showed that the decreases in metro crime rates were independent of changes in the undocumented population.

The new research, while perhaps the most detailed, is just the latest to refute Trump’s claims about undocumented immigrants and crime.

A 2018 study by the Cato Institute, for example, found that in Texas, immigrants — legal or undocumented — committed fewer crimes than native-born U.S. residents. Another study across all 50 states had similar results.

A separate study published in March 2018 in the journal Criminology found that states with more undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than those with fewer.
Like all autocrats, Trump needs an enemy for his f... (show quote)


Really? Then who was the drunk illegal that ran a red lite and almost killed my kid? Demolished the car and fled the scene leaving girlfriend and 6 kids in his demolished truck! No insurance 3 prior drunk driving, spousal abuse and resisting arrest charges! 23 years old and still in the country!! Yea

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May 14, 2019 09:34:59   #
CodyCoonhound
 
Kevyn wrote:
Right in his post it gives three very credible sources. The FBI crime statistics, the journal Criminology and the conservative Cato Institute. What more do you expect?


And to you, Kevyn, put those stats in your neighborhood and tell me you want all those law breakers that kill, maim, rob and steal from you. Not to mention the sex trafficing your illegal neighbor does next door to you. You, who support illegal behavior should be in jail.

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May 14, 2019 10:26:18   #
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May 14, 2019 10:27:08   #
Pariahjf
 
So you're saying that 12,599 law enforcement agencies are lying about the arrest numbers from 2017?

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May 14, 2019 10:36:40   #
okie don (a regular here)
 
Wait till Kevyn gets his property stolen and his vehicle totaled by a hit and run like we did and he'll realize how much fun it is!

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May 14, 2019 11:22:57   #
tlow45
 
Take another look at the what is being reported; violent crime and property crime. The report you are quoting DID NOT include any drug trafficking offenses. In New England, illegal immigrants account for the great majority of drug trafficking. This is a prime example of selective statistics being used to prove a predetermined, false conclusion.

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May 14, 2019 13:08:21   #
Smedley_buzkill (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
Like all autocrats, Trump needs an enemy for his followers to focus on, build hate to secure the base. Give them that and he can marry a gay imam in ISIS and they will still adore him, turning a blind eye to anything he does. That his attacks on Mexican immigrants is purposefully charged to create division and fear is obvious from the many lies he tells to maintain the false assault on them.

U.S. cities that take in larger numbers of undocumented immigrants do not see a correlation with higher rates of violent and property crime, a new study by the Marshall Project and the New York Times has found.

The study debunks one of President Trump’s favorite talking points, that undocumented immigrants represent a criminal risk to Americans. That idea has been central to Trump’s political rise and was articulated when he announced his candidacy for president on June 16, 2015.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. they’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists,” Trump said.

Since taking office, Trump has repeated the claim that undocumented immigrants are prone to crime and that U.S. metro areas designated as “sanctuary cities” suffer as a result.

But the new study compared recent estimates of undocumented populations in metro areas with local crime rates published by the FBI and found that a significant majority of urban areas reported decreases in violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016.

The study showed that the decreases in metro crime rates were independent of changes in the undocumented population.

The new research, while perhaps the most detailed, is just the latest to refute Trump’s claims about undocumented immigrants and crime.

A 2018 study by the Cato Institute, for example, found that in Texas, immigrants — legal or undocumented — committed fewer crimes than native-born U.S. residents. Another study across all 50 states had similar results.

A separate study published in March 2018 in the journal Criminology found that states with more undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than those with fewer.
Like all autocrats, Trump needs an enemy for his f... (show quote)


From the Texas Department of Public Safety, an entirely different story.
https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/7/23/alien-crime-wave-in-texas-611234-crimes-2993-murders/

This study by the Texas DPS documents wetback crime over a six year period from 2008-2014.
This is not Yahoo or a think tank; this is an official government document.

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May 14, 2019 13:09:31   #
Smedley_buzkill (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Right in his post it gives three very credible sources. The FBI crime statistics, the journal Criminology and the conservative Cato Institute. What more do you expect?


https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/7/23/alien-crime-wave-in-texas-611234-crimes-2993-murders/

Once more, a study by the Texas Department of Public Safety.

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May 14, 2019 13:14:03   #
Auntie Lulu (a regular here)
 
okie don wrote:
Your information is no.better than your source and how about diseases?


Amen to that! Good grief, if you are here illegally--then you have broken the law! What is so difficult to understand about that?

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May 14, 2019 17:35:24   #
Nickolai
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
So you are just so excited to visit San Francisco and LA and walk among the piles of human waste on the once pristine streets where workers and tourists used to roam.






What pile of human waste on the streets if that were the case the local TV stations would be all over it Occasionally a homeless person defecates in a street and the right blows it up that piles of feces are filling the streets of the City. There is not a big city in the US that doesn't have a homeless person taking a leak in the street. I got caught in a traffic jam on a bridge once after drinking a couple big draft beers at a sport show and had to take a leak by the side of the car. It can happen to anybody

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May 14, 2019 17:54:18   #
Nickolai
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Really? Then who was the drunk illegal that ran a red lite and almost killed my kid? Demolished the car and fled the scene leaving girlfriend and 6 kids in his demolished truck! No insurance 3 prior drunk driving, spousal abuse and resisting arrest charges! 23 years old and still in the country!! Yea






A drunk white woman last night driving north in the south bound lanes hit a care with five teenagers headed to the beech at Santa Cruz. a 17 year old boy was killed. In 1968 a white 24 year old drunk came sliding broad side in my lane on a rain slick road at night we slammed together and he was ejected from his Triumph sports car --no body had seat belts In those days his body slammed into my wind shield just as my head hit it. His body would up in the middle of the road but he left his brains all over the hood of my 1/2 ton chevy pick up truck and the back half of his little convertible sports car like like a crumpled empty pack of cigarettes, My cousin lost her husband to a white drunk driver in a head on collision at the top of a hill. picking out a bad car wreck caused by an illegal doesn't represent the norm. I was involved with a fender bender with a car load of illegals in 1955 so there is nothing new about it

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May 14, 2019 18:26:30   #
CodyCoonhound
 
Nickolai wrote:
What pile of human waste on the streets if that were the case the local TV stations would be all over it Occasionally a homeless person defecates in a street and the right blows it up that piles of feces are filling the streets of the City. There is not a big city in the US that doesn't have a homeless person taking a leak in the street. I got caught in a traffic jam on a bridge once after drinking a couple big draft beers at a sport show and had to take a leak by the side of the car. It can happen to anybody
What pile of human waste on the streets if that we... (show quote)


Just read the news. One of many TV clips and big city newspaper articles on waste. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-snapcrap-20181008-story.html

Check the top 10 largest cities, which happen to be run by democrat politicians, and yes, you will find much of the same.

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