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May 15, 2019 10:45:08   #
JIM BETHEA
 
Let's see now Left to Right ~~ Hillary has run a crime family that makes Capone's past look like an amateur and can no longer practice law ~~~

He/she in the middle had the option to have her attorney license forfeited or be charged with fraud and then have them revoked anyway ~~

The "elegant" and "eloquent" one on the right was a young seamstress ~ then clothes designer ~ and then an international model ~ she speaks 5 different languages, has a heart of gold ~ refused to even give Trump her phone number at a dinner party and it was 18 months later that she gave in and gave him her phone number ~ she enjoys home life much more than being in the public eyes anymore ~ She went through the proper channels of the INS to gain her green card, as did my Russian wife [lots of attorney fees, INS filing fees and 3 years of apprehensive waiting]
~ and had to prove that she had special talents [as do all of the LEGAL ONES DO] it's called ADDING SOME VALUE ~ No "freeloaders" if immigration is legally done by the book as it was intended to work!!

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May 15, 2019 11:01:17   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
HA HA HA... Good one.. as if class is reflected in a skin book.. LOL
Ha Ha. Masturbation humor. I'm sure with your recent holier than thou attitude, you no longer believe in a "dishonorable discharge". I thought about sending you a titillating pic of Hillery in case I'm wrong, but every time I brought one up on-screen, my monitor started smoking and went dark.

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May 15, 2019 12:59:09   #
JoyV
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Birth Citizenship for i******s was never intended by the authors of the 14th Amendment. This is a legal fiction. I have posted on this numerous times. The practice of granting birth citizenship to i******s is Unconstitutional as is evidenced by Elk v Wilkins1884, and by the comments of the authors of the Amendment. I can provide the exact text from the Congressional Record.

https://americaoutloud.com/39th-congress-transcript-anchor-babies-not-u-s-citizens/

http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/
To this I would add that in Elk v Wilkins 1884, John Elk was ruled not a birth citizen because his parents were not citizens.
In 1924, via the Indian Citizenship Act, Indians were finally made citizens. If "all persons born or naturalized in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" were already citizens, then why are the children of diplomats not citizens, and why did Indians require a special law to grant them citizenship and why was the Elk v Wilkins decision rendered? Because people born here who are NOT subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US are not citizens. Wetbacks cannot v**e, cannot work here legally, cannot pay taxes, cannot serve in the military and cannot be tried for treason. They are not subject to the jurisdiction in the complete sense of the word as intended by both the authors of the Amendment and the citizens of this country who v**ed to ratify it. The practice of granting birth citizenship to the children of wetbacks is a betrayal of both the those authors and US citizen v**ers.
In the case of US v Wong Kim Ark,1898, Wong Kim Ark was ruled a birth citizen because he was born to parents who were the 1898 version of permanent legal residents. The Court decision stated that all persons born to parents domiciled in the US are citizens. According to Black's Law (the primary legal dictionary used by the SCOTUS at the time), domiciled meant "maintaining a permanent legal primary residence." Domiciled people could v**e, serve in the military, work and pay taxes just like today's permanent legal residents. Nothing was said about the children of wetbacks, or even temporary legal residents.
Birth Citizenship for i******s was never intended ... (show quote)


While I agree with the gist of your post, actually even the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act did not grant full citizenship rights but instead placed us under trusteeship of the government. In 1965 the V****g Rights Act (VRA) was passed granting us the right to v**e in American e******ns. In 1968 the Indian Civil Rights Act (ICRA) was passed. The ICRA supports the following:

*Right to free speech, press, and assembly
*Protection from unreasonable search and seizure
*Right of criminal defendant to a speedy trial, to be advised of the charges, and to confront any adverse witnesses
*Right to hire an attorney in a criminal case
*Protection against self incrimination
*Protection against cruel and unusual punishment, excessive bail, incarceration of more than one year and/or a fine in excess of $5,000 for any one offense
*Protection from double jeopardy or ex post facto laws
*Right to a jury trial for offenses punishable by imprisonment
*Equal protection under the law and due process

Other civil rights such as sovereignty, hunting and fishing, and v****g are still issues facing American Indians today.

This still did not cover all citizenship rights. It wasn't until 1978 that we gain full citizenship under Carter. He signed the American Indian Religious Freedom Act (AIRFA) and the Indian Child Welfare Act. (ICWA) which stopped the practice of forcibly removing Indian children from their parent and placing them in boarding schools far from home.

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May 15, 2019 13:34:49   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
She came as a student and then reverted to showing skin in skin book for young men..

Then got citizen ship for special abilities..or some such..

then she brought in her parents on the chain immigration that the orange a** h**es for anyone else..


She came on a tourist visa in August 1969. She then obtained a work visa in October — the same month she posed with another woman in the nude shoot. The Post originally published a story she was working illegally in the US before obtaining a work visa. They published a correction to their the initial story, saying the photographer had confirmed the 1996 date in an interview. She subsequently obtained a series of 4 one year work visas. She couldn't get a green card at the time because one-year visas were all that were permitted under the U.S. agreement with Slovenia. In 2001 she was able to obtain a green card. In 2006 she became a citizen of the USA. At no time was she here illegally.

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May 15, 2019 13:36:59   #
JoyV
 
JIM BETHEA wrote:
Let's see now Left to Right ~~ Hillary has run a crime family that makes Capone's past look like an amateur and can no longer practice law ~~~

He/she in the middle had the option to have her attorney license forfeited or be charged with fraud and then have them revoked anyway ~~

The "elegant" and "eloquent" one on the right was a young seamstress ~ then clothes designer ~ and then an international model ~ she speaks 5 different languages, has a heart of gold ~ refused to even give Trump her phone number at a dinner party and it was 18 months later that she gave in and gave him her phone number ~ she enjoys home life much more than being in the public eyes anymore ~ She went through the proper channels of the INS to gain her green card, as did my Russian wife [lots of attorney fees, INS filing fees and 3 years of apprehensive waiting]
~ and had to prove that she had special talents [as do all of the LEGAL ONES DO] it's called ADDING SOME VALUE ~ No "freeloaders" if immigration is legally done by the book as it was intended to work!!
Let's see now Left to Right ~~ Hillary has run a c... (show quote)



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May 15, 2019 13:42:59   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
JoyV wrote:
She came on a tourist visa in August 1969. She then obtained a work visa in October — the same month she posed with another woman in the nude shoot. The Post originally published a story she was working illegally in the US before obtaining a work visa. They published a correction to their the initial story, saying the photographer had confirmed the 1996 date in an interview. She subsequently obtained a series of 4 one year work visas. She couldn't get a green card at the time because one-year visas were all that were permitted under the U.S. agreement with Slovenia. In 2001 she was able to obtain a green card. In 2006 she became a citizen of the USA. At no time was she here illegally.
She came on a tourist visa in August 1969. She th... (show quote)
Ironically, there are many men who have found that posing for pictures sans most of their clothing is a great way to make a lot more money than $15/hr. But by all means, let's shame a woman for doing the same thing.

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May 15, 2019 14:22:37   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
Gatsby wrote:
Put simply, any individual who lives in public housing will have to confirm the status of their immigration,
assuming that the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) proposal goes into effect.
Families who currently reside in these facilities would also have to prove that each member
is a lawful resident or a holder of a green card.
Individuals who have yet to confirm their immigration status would be mandated to do so
during the next time their status as a beneficiary of government assistance is reviewed.
https://www.theconservativebrief.com/illegal-immigrants-may-have-a-tougher-time-remaining-in-public-housing/

“We have a long list of people we can only serve right now one in four of the people
who are looking for assistance from the government.

What do you think?
Put simply, any individual who lives in public hou... (show quote)




I say deport every illegal. That action would save us $350 Billion a year. Plus, it would cut down on all the bugs and v***s they bring into America. Then look at all the muggings and rapes and break-in to homes that would end.

Are we so stupid as to not understand this?

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May 15, 2019 14:34:38   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
MR Mister wrote:
I say deport every illegal. That action would save us $350 Billion a year. Plus, it would cut down on all the bugs and v***s they bring into America. Then look at all the muggings and rapes and break-in to homes that would end.

Are we so stupid as to not understand this?
There is no logic or common sense when a l*****t talks about immigration.

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May 15, 2019 14:46:23   #
debeda
 
JIM BETHEA wrote:
Let's see now Left to Right ~~ Hillary has run a crime family that makes Capone's past look like an amateur and can no longer practice law ~~~

He/she in the middle had the option to have her attorney license forfeited or be charged with fraud and then have them revoked anyway ~~

The "elegant" and "eloquent" one on the right was a young seamstress ~ then clothes designer ~ and then an international model ~ she speaks 5 different languages, has a heart of gold ~ refused to even give Trump her phone number at a dinner party and it was 18 months later that she gave in and gave him her phone number ~ she enjoys home life much more than being in the public eyes anymore ~ She went through the proper channels of the INS to gain her green card, as did my Russian wife [lots of attorney fees, INS filing fees and 3 years of apprehensive waiting]
~ and had to prove that she had special talents [as do all of the LEGAL ONES DO] it's called ADDING SOME VALUE ~ No "freeloaders" if immigration is legally done by the book as it was intended to work!!
Let's see now Left to Right ~~ Hillary has run a c... (show quote)


Well said, Jim

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May 15, 2019 19:13:32   #
JIM BETHEA
 
Yes..the old work visa were year by year ~ the fiancee visa with marriage starts the 3 permanent green card process ~~~ I have had a business visa for Russia since the early 1990s ~ can come and go as I please!!

I now can get most of my clients dual passports ~ 35 countries for most...Panama now requirement have gotten so strong that you have to prove a solid income and if you apply for dual citizenship you have to either invest in a home, building or boat for over $250,000.00 ~ I obtained my banking license in PA in 2008 and they are almost impossible to get now ~ No more "deadbeats" & "freeloaders" staying long in PA these days ~~ unless you want to work with the canal construction!! lol

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May 18, 2019 10:30:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Cooperation???? Trump multiple times offered to expand DACA for a fraction of the money they gave Obama for the wall. Up until the offer, the outcry that DACA was the most important issue and Trump was a monster for not renewing it was heard daily. Once Trump made the offer, they refused and no more was heard about DACA from the left. Obama spent $2.4 billion on barriers, an unknown amount on purchasing private land through his land grab, law suites are still going on regarding his land grab, and negotiating how much will be paid for water rights, which his lawyers were too ignorant to include in the land grab deals is still up in the air. For all that money the US got inadequate or unworkable fencing along the Rio Grand in east Texas, and vehicle barriers well west of the Rio Grand boundary where i******s simply walk across the border.

So Obama spent $2.4 billion for:
2008-2009 - 27 miles of primary fencing and 70 miles of vehicle barrier was constructed in
Tucson Sector.
 2008-2009 - 14 miles of primary fencing was constructed in San Diego Sector.
 2008-2009 - 48 miles of primary fencing (levee) was constructed in Rio Grande Valley Sector.

Trump asked for $5 billion to build 234 miles of wall, NOT vehicle barriers!!!!

1st picture is Obama's billions of dollars "fence" he built in the highest illegal crossing sector.

2nd picture is the final piece of Trump's Naco wall section built a few miles from my home. Trump allocated the Naco section should be done with a cap of $42 million. It came in under budget and ahead of schedule. I've never before heard of a government project being done under budget!!!! The funds not used were reallocated.
Cooperation???? Trump multiple times offered to e... (show quote)



No the only thing trump offered was a demand to fund his wall and then negotiate other problems..

The dems offered him more money the the 5.6 billion but with a solution to some of the problems..
the orange fool refused.. not once but twice..

the fault is, as always all on the orange nasty..



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May 18, 2019 10:35:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Cooperation???? Trump multiple times offered to expand DACA for a fraction of the money they gave Obama for the wall. Up until the offer, the outcry that DACA was the most important issue and Trump was a monster for not renewing it was heard daily. Once Trump made the offer, they refused and no more was heard about DACA from the left. Obama spent $2.4 billion on barriers, an unknown amount on purchasing private land through his land grab, law suites are still going on regarding his land grab, and negotiating how much will be paid for water rights, which his lawyers were too ignorant to include in the land grab deals is still up in the air. For all that money the US got inadequate or unworkable fencing along the Rio Grand in east Texas, and vehicle barriers well west of the Rio Grand boundary where i******s simply walk across the border.

So Obama spent $2.4 billion for:
2008-2009 - 27 miles of primary fencing and 70 miles of vehicle barrier was constructed in
Tucson Sector.
 2008-2009 - 14 miles of primary fencing was constructed in San Diego Sector.
 2008-2009 - 48 miles of primary fencing (levee) was constructed in Rio Grande Valley Sector.

Trump asked for $5 billion to build 234 miles of wall, NOT vehicle barriers!!!!

1st picture is Obama's billions of dollars "fence" he built in the highest illegal crossing sector.

2nd picture is the final piece of Trump's Naco wall section built a few miles from my home. Trump allocated the Naco section should be done with a cap of $42 million. It came in under budget and ahead of schedule. I've never before heard of a government project being done under budget!!!! The funds not used were reallocated.
Cooperation???? Trump multiple times offered to e... (show quote)



Sorry, forgot about President Obama wall...Oh i mean fence.. originated under Bush.. applied by Presidnet Obama and ridiculed by the orange thing..


The fencing built under the 2006 act was not the first border fencing in the United States. The U.S. Border Patrol first began to erect physical barriers in its San Diego sector in 1990.[2] Fourteen miles of fencing were erected along the border of San Diego, California, and Tijuana, Mexico.[3][4]

Passage and provisions
The Secure Fence Act (Bill H.R. 6061) was introduced in the House of Representatives on September 13, 2006, by Congressman Peter T. King, Republican of New York. The Act passed the House by a v**e of 283–138 on September 14, 2006.[5] It passed the Senate 80–19 on September 29, 2006.[6] The Act received bipartisan support.[7]

In 2006, at the time the Secure Fence Act was passed, George W. Bush's White House touted the fence as "an important step toward immigration reform."[1] The White House Office of the Press Secretary stated that the Act "Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border; Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally; Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border."[1][better source needed]

2007 amendment
The Secure Fence Act provided for "at least two layers of reinforced fencing" to be built. However, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) successfully argued to Congress "that different border terrains required different types of fencing, that a one-size-fits-all approach across the entire border didn't make sense."[8] An amendment introduced by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was passed, amending the law to read: "nothing in this paragraph shall require the Secretary of Homeland Security to install fencing, physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors in a particular location along an international border of the United States, if the Secretary determines that the use or placement of such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control over the international border at such location."[8]

Erection of the fence
By April 2009, DHS had erected about 613 miles (985 km) of new pedestrian fencing and vehicle barriers along the southwest border from California to Texas.[9] Delays frustrated some, such as Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, who in 2010 introduced legislation seeking to require completion of the 700-mile-long, double-layered fence. (DHS had since 2007 begun "to shift its focus to erecting a 'virtual fence' along the 2,000-mile border, using sensors, cameras and other high-tech equipment to prevent illegal crossings".) DeMint's legislation was defeated in a 52–45 Senate v**e in 2010.[10]

By May 2011, DHS reported completing 649 miles of fencing (99.5% of the 652 miles planned). The barrier was made up of 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 350 miles of pedestrian fence.[8] The fencing includes a steel fence (varying in height between 18 and 26 feet) that divides the border towns of Nogales, Arizona in the U.S. and Nogales, Sonora in Mexico.[11] A 2016 report by the Government Accountability Office confirmed that the government had completed the fence by 2015.[12] A 2017 GAO report noted: "In addition to the 654 miles of primary fencing, CBP has also deployed additional layers of pedestrian fencing behind the primary border fencing, including 37 miles of secondary fencing and 14 miles of tertiary fencing."[13]

Cost
Although the 2006 law authorized construction of a fence, Congress initially did not fully appropriate funds for it (see authorization-appropriation process). "Congress put aside $1.4 billion for the fence, but the whole cost, including maintenance, was pegged at $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time."[12]

A 2017 GAO report noted: "According to CBP, from fiscal year 2007 through 2015, it spent approximately $2.3 billion to deploy border fencing along the southwest border, and CBP will need to spend a substantial amount to sustain these investments over their lifetimes. CBP did not provide a current life-cycle costs estimate to maintain pedestrian and vehicle fencing, however, in 2009 CBP estimated that maintaining fencing would cost more than $1 billion over 20 years."[14]

Impact and effects
Illegal border-crossings
A report in May 2008 by the Congressional Research Service found "strong indication" that illegal border-crossers had simply found new routes.[15] A 2017 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report, citing U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data, found that from fiscal year 2010 through fiscal year 2015, the U.S.-Mexico border fence had been breached 9,287 times, at an average cost of $784 per breach to repair.[16] The same GAO report concluded that "CBP cannot measure the contribution of fencing to border security operations along the southwest border because it has not developed metrics for this assessment."[14] GAO noted that because the government lacked such data, it was unable to assess the effectiveness of border fencing, and therefore could not "identify the cost effectiveness of border fencing compared to other assets the agency deploys, including Border Patrol agents and various surveillance technologies."[17]

The fence is routinely climbed or otherwise circumvented.[11] The GAO reported in 2017 that both pedestrian and vehicle barriers have been defeated by various methods, including using ramps to drive vehicles "up and over" vehicle fencing in the sector; scaling, jumping over, or breaching pedestrian fencing; burrowing or tunneling underground; and even using small aircraft.[18] New York Times op-ed writer Lawrence Downes wrote in 2013: "A climber with a rope can hop it in less than half a minute. ... Smugglers with jackhammers tunnel under it. They throw drugs and rocks over it. The fence is breached not just by sunlight and shadows, but also the hooded gaze of drug-cartel lookouts, and by bullets. Border agents describe their job as an unending battle of wits, a cat-mouse game with the constant threat of violence."[11][19]

Economy
A 2018 paper by Dartmouth College and Stanford University economists found that "at a construction cost of $7 per person, the fence led to a small reduction in migration but had negligible effects on the economy, with high-sk**led US workers losing $4.60 per year in income, and low-sk**led US workers gaining just $0.36 per year."[20]

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May 18, 2019 10:35:54   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
I agree. But also Trump's planned policy of having asylum seekers waiting outside of our borders while their cases are decided should be implemented.



It is good, but against the law..

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May 18, 2019 10:40:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Birth Citizenship for i******s was never intended by the authors of the 14th Amendment. This is a legal fiction. I have posted on this numerous times. The practice of granting birth citizenship to i******s is Unconstitutional as is evidenced by Elk v Wilkins1884, and by the comments of the authors of the Amendment. I can provide the exact text from the Congressional Record.

https://americaoutloud.com/39th-congress-transcript-anchor-babies-not-u-s-citizens/

http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/
To this I would add that in Elk v Wilkins 1884, John Elk was ruled not a birth citizen because his parents were not citizens.
In 1924, via the Indian Citizenship Act, Indians were finally made citizens. If "all persons born or naturalized in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" were already citizens, then why are the children of diplomats not citizens, and why did Indians require a special law to grant them citizenship and why was the Elk v Wilkins decision rendered? Because people born here who are NOT subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US are not citizens. Wetbacks cannot v**e, cannot work here legally, cannot pay taxes, cannot serve in the military and cannot be tried for treason. They are not subject to the jurisdiction in the complete sense of the word as intended by both the authors of the Amendment and the citizens of this country who v**ed to ratify it. The practice of granting birth citizenship to the children of wetbacks is a betrayal of both the those authors and US citizen v**ers.
In the case of US v Wong Kim Ark,1898, Wong Kim Ark was ruled a birth citizen because he was born to parents who were the 1898 version of permanent legal residents. The Court decision stated that all persons born to parents domiciled in the US are citizens. According to Black's Law (the primary legal dictionary used by the SCOTUS at the time), domiciled meant "maintaining a permanent legal primary residence." Domiciled people could v**e, serve in the military, work and pay taxes just like today's permanent legal residents. Nothing was said about the children of wetbacks, or even temporary legal residents.
Birth Citizenship for i******s was never intended ... (show quote)



Perhaps you are correct.. I do know that under the current law, it stands.

As I very much want this nation to abide by it own laws, I support the law in force..

If the law is changed, then we can alter the way we act.. for now, obey the laws..



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May 18, 2019 10:43:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Ah, yes, Moochelle. Got a degree in African-American Studies. Real tough one. I'll bet her daddy was so proud.
There are records of Michelle Obama working as an associate at a law firm but I have been unable to find a single instance where she appears as counsel of record. Maybe because it took her a couple of tries to pass the Bar? Her hubby had the worst record of any modern president in presenting cases to the SCOTUS, losing more than half.



come on Smedley.. that is low even by right wing lie standards.


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