Alber

I often read here in OPP how those who defend the ideas of the socialist left are confused with the "liberals", who really are considered l*****ts in the political spectrum; but they are not socialists, having passed the liberals (according to historical development) to be moderate l*****ts, who tend to centrism, sharing this tendency with the moderate conservatives, who are on the right in the political spectrum. What would serve to describe the political position of the members of the Republican and Democratic parties of a few decades ago.
Currently, the Democratic Party is in the process of being totally abducted by the Marxists, who, concealing their true purposes, pose as "liberals", in order not to scare American society; although each day they distance themselves more from the liberal idea; and the wolf begins little by little to show his hairy ear, when certain personalities of that party declare to be "progressive" or frankly "socialist". The latter pretend total state control and for this purpose they develop clientelism, through the application of social welfare measures, the protection of privileges for minorities and m**************m, with a policy of borders open to immigration, in order to obtain v**es that could make their pretensions come true.

Between the end of the 18th century and the middle of the 19th century, a new type of State was developed that has been called "liberal" and has a double aspect: political and economic. The liberal doctrine in the political is based on the existence of an inviolable constitution that determines the rights and duties of citizens and rulers; separation of powers (legislative, executive and judicial), with respect to civil and individual liberties (freedom of expression, association, assembly) to avoid any tyranny and the right to v**e; taking into consideration the majority and minorities. The first liberal Constitution in history was adopted in 1787 by the confederation of the thirteen American colonies that had become independent from England. Many think that a totalitarian government is not possible in the USA because this Constitution exists, forgetting that this magna carta can be modified, when the majorities so decide.

Along with this political liberalism, it was also established the economic liberalism: a set of theories and practices that, to a large extent, were a consequence of the industrial revolution. From the point of view of practice, economic liberalism meant the non-intervention of the state in social, financial and business issues. At the technical level, it was an attempt to explain and justify the phenomenon of industrialization and its most immediate consequences: the great capitalism and the hardships of the working classes.

Socialism is a system totally contrary to liberal ideas. In the economic sphere, it is based on the state ownership of the means of production, the collective administration of them and of the distribution of goods; what implies a planning and an organization of social life, which attempts against individual freedom that is sacrificed for the sake of collective well-being. "Socialism" and "totalitarianism" are synonymous with "collectivism"; and this, in turn, is a model of organization incompatible with human freedom.

The socialists intend to distribute the wealth that others create, as long as they do not achieve total control of society, promoting laws to grant benefits that can only be granted while capitalism exists and there are those who pay taxes to cover the benefits granted; but everything said before changes when the Socialists achieve totalitarian control of society, because together with the capitalism the wealth stops existing and begins the unequal distribution of misery, which does not affect the "new ruling class".

It is possible that knowing the disaster that has meant the appropriation of the means of production by the State wherever it has taken place, the Marxists pretend momentarily, economically, to desist from the failed "state capitalism" of Soviet socialism, imposed by Lenin and Stalin; and approach (with some modifications), the "capitalism of comrades" of N**i-f*****t socialism (which was more successful by the participation of capitalists) imposed by Mussolini and Hitler. Perhaps they want some kind of F*****t Corporate Chamber that tightly controls the capitalists and the workers, establishing a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in disguise. Politically, they can claim the imposition of "correctly political" provisions as censorship of freedom of expression, which we have already known; and the control of the media, through "unconditional partiality", which we are getting to know in a certain way .-- It may be that, due to the relative economic success of the Chinese c*******ts, they recognize the similarity between f*****t Marxism and the "Market socialism" proposed by Deng Xiao Ping and want to establish a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the style of China, which has accepted private property and capitalism; but it is a unitary centralized state, totally administered by the Chinese C*******t Party (which is the proletariat), with a large national bureaucracy that deals with everything, being authoritarian both in its structure and in its ideology. ---To the spawn that would result of any of the aforementioned chimeras could correspond the name of "Democratic Socialism" which is nothing other than a Marxist "Neo-F*****m".

Of course, for any useful fool who defends the “Democratic Socialism” promoted by Mr. Bernie Sanders (who undoubtedly was a supporter of the establishment of Soviet socialism in the USA during the Cold War), the proposal of this Marxist politician is correct, without thinking what is the purpose that this socialist pursues. Let's see what a useful fool wrote (textually) here in OPP making a comment about this politician: “He is for progressive taxes, a robust labor sector where workers are respected and fairly treated and enjoy the fruits of collective bargaining. Old age pensions and universal health care. Today’s youth are not stupid, they see that they are not getting the opportunity’s that their parents and grandparents had as a birthright. They are s**k of getting screwed by corporate welfare and crony capitalism. The henny penny McCarthyism warning of a c*******t behind every tree rings false when our companies and politicians are in bed with the Chinese, Russians and Arabs.”
Whoever makes this comment forgets that Bernie Sanders was in bed with the Soviets, enemies of the USA, whom he admired and that in the USSR there was no "paradise" of the workers. -----Maybe it is necessary to create again the Un-American Activities Committee.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

And Trump is in bed with Putin yada yada yada

Hug

Enjoyed the read. Thanks

Airforceone

Okay let’s start with Marxism what is the definition of Marxism and then state where the Democrats are advocating Marxism.

Socialism there are many definitions of socialism. Tell me what Government programs are actually socialism and tell me where democrats are advocating socialism.

Now is it fair that Walmart who pay 40% of there employees below poverty wages and these employees receive welfare, food stamps, free healthcare and our tax dollars pay for these services. But the Walmart family are the richest family in the world they have billions. But the American tax payer feeds there employees with food stamps and where do they spend there food stamps of course at Walmart. Then the American tax payers pick up the cost of a Trump tax cut giving the Walmart family a 19% tax cut and the republicans reject a minimum wage increase that would take Walmart employees off welfare and food stamps. Which would create great savings to the American tax payer. Is that what you call distribution of wealth.

Why are the capitalist so successful in this country. The federal government takes in $3.7 trillion in tax dollars. Trump spends $4.8 trillion that goes to the deficit. But sit back and tell me where that $4.8 trillion gets spent just take the military spending of $850 billion only 40% gets spent on actually defense so the other 60% goes directly to supporting our capitalist contractors who make billions, and pay little to no taxes. How many federal employees does the government employ they are paid from our tax dollar how much stuff is bought from our capitalist with actual tax funds. How much of our tax dollars are spent to maintain our infrastructure through private contracts. These are just a couple of examples. Just go throughout the entire federal government and the contracts that are giving to our capitalist. So eliminate that $4.8 trillion in taxes that gets invested in our economy and what happens to our capitalist. Every dollar spent by the federal government supports our capitalist in one way or another. Who controls all the manufacturing of goods and services to this country. The government does not manufacture anything. But our tax dollars support the capitalist that do.

Now let’s get off the federal level and take a look at state taxes. How much in state taxes are going directly to our capitalist, how many people are employed on the state level and do these people purchase goods and services to support our capitalist.we are talking about 50 states that collect over $4.5 trillion in tax dollars all spent on capitalist. How many teachers, DPW, and first responders are employed in all 50 states. We are talking millions of employees that earn wages directly from tax payer dollars and where are these wages spent how many washing machine, TV’s, homes, home improvement, new vehicles, vacations are paid from federal, state and local taxes. If not for this spending what happens to our economy and what happens to the capitalist.

Now let’s look at the local level with cities and town taxes where do these funds go. How many private contracts are issued on the federal state and local level through tax funds.

We are talking about trillions of our tax dollars invested in our capitalist and they get a 19% tax cut and the middle class gets a .3% tax cut. The republicans believe in building an economy from the top down called trickledown and it has been proven through Reagan, Bush , and Trump that all that created was a loss of federal funds which created massive deficits and widening the income ine******y and the middle class will pick up the tab. Republicans then blame the deficit on entitlements. But forget the loss of funds created by massive tax cuts to our capitalist.

Democrats believe in building the economy from the bottom up which does work if you have a 19% tax cut and paid a minimum wage above poverty wages to the 144 million wage earners in this country, the economy would explode. Not to mention the cost savings in our entitlement.

So with the trillions of dollars spent with American tax payer funds is it a bad thing to ask our capitalist to pay an above poverty wage which would create massive savings to our entitlement programs but Republicans such as yourself call that distribution of wealth when all these people are just asking for is a fair wage, healthcare and everybody pay there fair share in taxes. If that’s socialism I am all in.

I am not opposed to supporting our capitalist because the capitalist sustain our economy but building the economy starts with the American tax payers.

So answer my questions on why and where in our country democrats are advocating Marxism and socialism. When we have a president that is fighting any form of government oversight on the executive branch if anything the republicans are supporting a dictatorial form of government where one person runs this country and ignores the rule of law.

I support our capitalist it’s the only way to sustain our economy but why are we giving the richest and most profitable corporation in this country, tax cuts, subsidies, wage and price control, eliminate any form of collective bargaining, loopholes in our tax structure where these corporation pay little to no taxes at all. How did 60 of the Fortune 500 companies which are the most profitable corporation in this country paid zero taxes and in most cases actually received subsidies.

I believe in tax subsidies to our capitalist but it should be incentive based if our corporation our opening manufacturing plants and paying above poverty wages I am all in for tax incentives and subsidies. But when a manufacture out sources goods and pays below poverty wages why did we just give them a 19% tax cut along with subsidies and then feed, educate and give healthcare for there employees.

The most disgraceful tax loophole is a US manufacturer can shut down a plant in this country move it overseas and gets to use the cost of moving as a tax deduction.

As much as you right wingers h**e Obama read his comprehensive tax reform bill that the Republican congress blocked. It was loaded with not only middle class tax cuts but major tax cuts to our capitalist but it was all incentive based. But Trump supporters don’t read legislation. Read Obama’s comprehensive immigration reform bill which was passed in the Republican held senate on a bi-partisan v**e and blocked in the house from ever coming up for a v**e. Read Obama’s American jobs act, read Obama’s bring the jobs back to America Act all blocked by the Republican held congress. And the one piece of legislation that every republicans refuse to read and understand is the ACA ( OBAMACARE)

Your topic shows one thing you are entitled to your own opinion but you damm sure are not entitled to your own facts.,

So answer the couple of questions I asked instead of a bunch of talking points created by Fox News.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

Amen

Alber

jimpack123: I estimate that you suffer from the Trump derragement disease. You have no valid argument to expose. You only repeat the same every day foolishness, echoing a propaganda without logical sense. You do not have a thought of your own to express. You do not say if you oppose what is written or agree. I am afraid you do not know much about Marxism, C*******m, F*****m, N**ism or Capitalism; in short, you have no idea of history and politics, but I understand that you defend the ideas of Mr. Bernie Sanders, who for the moment is undercover in the Democratic Party and you are for that party, which has as a pet a donkey, mistakenly believing that being a democrat is imitating in written form the onomatopoeic sound produced by that animal. Please, to write THINK.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

Alber you suffer from head up Trumps Ass syndrome Wipe your head when you finally remove it I don ot believe in Bernie Sanders. I would choose Biden or Beto . Not Hilery not Orange Trump either

Airforceone

Why not you explain Marxism, F*****m, N**ism, Capitalism or socialism. You right wingers use these words constantly. But you have no idea of the history of these forms of government. So since you choose to insult why not create a new topic on these forms of government and how and where they are injected into our government.

Every time I see a response from a far right extremist I ask the question. You people throw Marxism, capitalism, socialism and I ask the same question give me the definition and where Democrats are advocating these forms of government.

So now it’s your turn to show us all how intellectually sound you are on the history of these forms of government and how it pertains to this government. I am very much looking forward to your response after all now we can all gain the knowledge from your intellect.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

Marixism was started by Karl marx which was the start of c*******m The Gov't owns everything and the people share it rewards. Bad system Capitalism is a system that we had where the people can work and build there own fortunes or failures by themselfs We do not have a true Capitalism form here in the USA as the Gov't always bails out big companies when they fail . Socialism believes that there should be more sharing of the wealth that doesn't work either. I believe that we need a Capitalism form of Gov't with a little Socialism sprinked in to even things out a bit. Our healthcare needs to be fixed can be fixed very easily either go to a medicare for all or have Congress and the Senate go to the same healthcare plan that we all have now. Bet it gets fixed very quickly. So except for some of my spelling did I explain it correctly please tell where I need to learn more lol

Airforceone

But capitalism does not even to begin without government spending. If we had a total capitalistic form of government with a little bit of socialism. How did we build a strong military to the toon of $750 billion a year. That’s just one example. Who builds and maintains our roads it’s tax dollars paid to capitalist do you think Exxon is going to build and interstate highway system, Is Amazon going to bail out Texas or Louisiana after a Hurricane, is Walmart going to build all the schools in this country, is GE going to pay for all our first responders such as the policeman fire fighters, DPW employees, it’s total nonsense to be believe a little bit of socialism is sufficient.

The largest socialist program in the world today is the US military. You have to understand as soon as you take my tax dollars and give it to the private industry that’s called democratic socialism.
When Homeland security taxes my tax dollars to build a fence and contracts it out to a private fence builder that’s socialism.

Just think about the massive number of contracts starting with the state and local government and then add in federal contracts, just the US Military $540 billion is contracted out to private contractors thats my tax funds going to private contractors. We have socialism that supports capitalism which is great it works.
Socialism fuels our economy capitalism sustains the economy.

The definition of socialism is the means of production and distribution should be owned by the government. Tell me what goods in this country are manufactured by the government. We use our tax dollars to contract our capitalist to supply and distribute our goods and services.

Hug

Airforceone, how do you conjure up all this donkey stuff?

Alber

Airforceone: Some time ago I had the opportunity to read here in OPP an apology that you offered to other people who give their opinions in this forum, because of what you had sometimes written as a result of obfuscation. That for me made you grow as a person, because although erring is human, rectifying is wise. For this reason, I will give you an answer to your opinion about what I have written, giving you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that you are not a socialist.
To start I can tell you that I do not write about topics created by Fox News. I do not echo the opinion of other people, I do not need ideological crutches and I am effectively entitled to my own opinion and I do not understand what you mean by: "... but you are sure that you have no right to your own deeds . "
When I write something I do it thinking about what I have known and what I have lived. For me, socialism is Marxist in essence and all its aspects lead to dictatorship, tyranny, ruin and misery. I am quite sure of the "facts" that I have known for having lived them. I know the socialist theory and practice well up close.
Popular wisdom says that: "There is no worse blind than the one who does not want to see" and if you are a liberal you would agree with what I have written, because nothing I have written against the liberals, whoever is liberal or conservative has all my respect; not so who is socialist.---In what I have written is the answer to your questions, but you do not want to acknowledge it. I have written: "... they develop clientelism, through the application of social welfare measures, the protection of privileges for minorities and m**************m, with a policy of borders open to immigration, in order to obtain v**es that make their pretensions a reality ... " I have also written the following:" Politically they can claim the imposition of 'correctly political' provisions as a censure on freedom of expression, which we have already known; and the control of the media, through 'unconditional partiality', which we are knowing in a certain way. "
It is undeniable that an attempt has been made to impose censorship on what is "politically correct" and that information is controlled by imposing criteria; not reporting on the facts. The press in the countries controlled by the Socialists does not report, because it is totally biased. When in Bolivia they k**led Ernesto "Che" Guevara, who was a genocide, with hundreds of deaths on his conscience, the c*******t media said he had been "murdered". If this individual had been someone infiltrated in Cuba to oppose Castro and after he had been captured he would have been shot, the Castro press would say that he was "executed", suggesting that something just has been accomplished. Here the same thing is happening. There is no information that is not tainted by a partisan opinion and in some cases even the information is deleted.
We have heard about the incitement by leaders of the Democratic Party to attack the Republicans, without the Party or other leaders of the same have disapproved their demonstrations and this reminds me of the black and brown shirts of Hitler and Mussolini or the response groups fast of Castroism.
The opposition to effectively control the border, the protection of i*****l i*********n sponsored by the enemies of the USA; as well as the insistence on bringing to the US a mass of Muslims, who because of their idiosyncrasy will never adapt to our way of life, who have more than fifty Muslim countries where they could go to live, without creating the problems they have caused in the European countries.
On the other hand, it is clear that in a few decades the composition of the Republican and Democratic parties, which had conservative and liberal wings, has changed, the Republicans have become totally conservative and the Democrats to be liberals with tendencies towards progressive or socialist ideas, being the latter antagonistic with liberalism. It is undeniable that there are accepted socialist politicians in the Democratic Party who do not hide their ideas, being the example that I mentioned in what I have written (Bernie Sanders).
I am very concerned about what happens with the members of the Democratic Party who no longer agree with John F. Kennedy when he said: "Do not ask what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country

Alber

jimpack123 and airforceone:
I am not a right extremist. I dislike the extremes, because I believe that the t***h is not absolute but relative. I have written about f*****m, N**ism, socialism, Marxism and capitalism in other opportunities here in OPP, illustrating its history, political and economic procedure. I regret that you have not been interested in reading what I wrote on those occasions. I do not suffer from the Trump’s Ass syndrome Wipe as jimpack says. I have not even mentioned Trump in what I originally wrote, since I am not obsessed politically with anyone in particular (as is the case with jimpack, who in his first response mentions him without being relevant), since the cult of personality is for those who do not think for themselves, it is something for those who live under regimes of c*******t terror and have a s***e mentality, as it happens in North Korea, Cuba, etc .; although, there are those who living in those places are not s***es, because their thinking is free. However, some people living in freedom are mentally dominated by certain propaganda and repeat like a parrot everything that those who control their mind communicate to them.
So far, what is reconsiders as a free market society or capitalism is what has made humanity progress, although it is imperfect and suffers cyclical crises, but it has the virtue of renewing itself. It does not deny the possibility of the existence of mutualism or cooperativism that in many cases would serve to address issues such as health care and education without making the State increase its power. Nor does it deny the implementation of measures of social benefit, which have nothing to do with "socialism", such as old-age pension, physical disability or unemployment. I believe that the day that humanity can implant a new social, political and economic system that replaces capitalism and considers human rights within itself, we will have made the greatest quantitative and qualitative leap in history. I am sure that this system will have nothing to do with Marxism or socialism.

Alber

Hug: Thank you for your interest in what I have written.

Highlander66 Loc: Illinois

That was a fascinating read. Thank you for sharing your insight and thoughts.