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May 15, 2019 16:45:21   #
AHO-C (a regular here)
 
redpill wrote:
Wanna FIX the planet? Save humans? Try addressing these problems.
https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/top-10-worst-toxic-pollution-problems.php

"orange"? coal mines? You're just strange. Or were just taking a jab at Trump?


Red....He loves calling Trump the orange man....and all things Trumpian 'orange' ( enter target name) !! I believe he is no longer ( never was ) capable of having a rational dialogue with any Trumpian or Trumpette !!
He also belives that Islam is a 'Religion of Peace'....Islam kind of reminds me of the Star Trek song...where they have the Capt. Kirk voice over saying' We come in peace...shoot to kill!'... !!

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May 15, 2019 18:32:42   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
MR Mister wrote:
There is no cheap green energy.
The Koch bros are democrats!
Yes, only the ignorant left buy the CC story, and Peter Pan as well.


Wow... The Koch brothers are Democrats? How can you say that with a straight face? Oh, did you attend Trump U to learn to lie with no conscience?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family


Was it your intention to lie or are you just talking about things you know nothing about again?

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May 15, 2019 18:34:43   #
redpill (a regular here)
 
AHO-C wrote:
Red....He loves calling Trump the orange man....and all things Trumpian 'orange' ( enter target name) !! I believe he is no longer ( never was ) capable of having a rational dialogue with any Trumpian or Trumpette !!
He also belives that Islam is a 'Religion of Peace'....Islam kind of reminds me of the Star Trek song...where they have the Capt. Kirk voice over saying' We come in peace...shoot to kill!'... !!
Red....He loves calling Trump the orange man....an... (show quote)


Ahh. So he must have loved the monkey that was in office before Trump.

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May 15, 2019 19:30:06   #
AHO-C (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Wow... The Koch brothers are Democrats? How can you say that with a straight face? Oh, did you attend Trump U to learn to lie with no conscience?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family


Was it your intention to lie or are you just talking about things you know nothing about again?


Common Sense....I believe he was talking about the older Koch ( who now has taken over the political end of it and most if not all the business end) attempting to fund certain Democrats during the 2018 election! I don't know if he succeeded or not !!

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May 15, 2019 20:51:48   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
AHO-C wrote:
Common Sense....I believe he was talking about the older Koch ( who now has taken over the political end of it and most if not all the business end) attempting to fund certain Democrats during the 2018 election! I don't know if he succeeded or not !!


You believe wrong, he specifically said the Koch brothers, EVERYONE knows the Koch brothers are hard core Republicans. If you don't believe me, take a look for yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers

As for whether they may betray their part(y)/(ies) (Republican and Libertarian, or right wing and further right wing)...

businessinsider wrote:
Billionaire Charles Koch, whose network has long supported libertarian causes, said he's open to backing Democratic candidates if they align with his platform.


https://www.businessinsider.com/koch-open-to-backing-democrats-midterms-2018-7 (Basically, he will support any Democrat candidate that will betray the Democratic party)

https://ivn.us/2018/09/17/how-many-democrats-are-the-koch-brothers-backing-in-november/

That DOESN'T make the Koch brothers Democrats or Democratic sympathizers, it makes them opportunists. If the opportunity arises that they can perhaps excerpt enough political muscle to sway a Democratic politician to favor their interests, they will jump on that opportunity. They excerpt that political muscle in the way of funding their campaigns if/when the democrats are desperate enough to abandon their ideological principles in order to gain the power to stand up to a nearly totally Republican controlled federal government, as was the case in 2018. The Republicans held both houses of congress AND the white house. Like I said, opportunists properly describes the Koch brothers.

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May 15, 2019 21:21:15   #
AHO-C (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/koch-open-to-backing-democrats-midterms-2018-7 (Basically, he will support any Democrat candidate that will betray the Democratic party)

https://ivn.us/2018/09/17/how-many-democrats-are-the-koch-brothers-backing-in-november/

That DOESN'T make the Koch brothers Democrats or Democratic sympathizers, it makes them opportunists. If the opportunity arises that they can perhaps excerpt enough political muscle to sway a Democratic politician to favor their interests, they will jump on that opportunity. They excerpt that political muscle in the way of funding their campaigns if/when the democrats are desperate enough to abandon their ideological principles in order to gain the power to stand up to a nearly totally Republican controlled federal government, as was the case in 2018. The Republicans held both houses of congress AND the white house. Like I said, opportunists properly describes the Koch brothers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/koch-open-to-backi... (show quote)


Read the Chicago Tribune of July 28,2018...I never said anything about them....I was trying to say why someone else said they were Democrats. I could care less if their R's, D's, or Socialists...I also could care less if the Koch Bros are Siamese Twins or one and the same guy that just changes costumes. I obsess over no one except God and my family....I deal with everyone else as needed. Have a Good Night and rest peacefully !! As my mentor W. C. Fields always said 'I never vote for anyone ....I always vote against someone !' ....Speaking of which... you ever notice you never saw Kristen Gillibrand and Kirsten Nielsen in the same place at the same time !!!



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May 15, 2019 22:13:59   #
Mikeyavelli (a regular here)
 
AHO-C wrote:
Read the Chicago Tribune of July 28,2018...I never said anything about them....I was trying to say why someone else said they were Democrats. I could care less if their R's, D's, or Socialists...I also could care less if the Koch Bros are Siamese Twins or one and the same guy that just changes costumes. I obsess over no one except God and my family....I deal with everyone else as needed. Have a Good Night and rest peacefully !! As my mentor W. C. Fields always said 'I never vote for anyone ....I always vote against someone !' ....Speaking of which... you ever notice you never saw Kristen Gillibrand and Kirsten Nielsen in the same place at the same time !!!
Read the Chicago Tribune of July 28,2018...I never... (show quote)

Kristen is Kirsten? There goes my fantasy of a threesome.

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May 15, 2019 22:29:42   #
AHO-C (a regular here)
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Kristen is Kirsten? There goes my fantasy of a threesome.


Go mikeyavelli, I like your style!! ...

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May 15, 2019 22:37:59   #
Mikeyavelli (a regular here)
 
AHO-C wrote:
Go mikeyavelli, I like your style!! ...


😇

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May 16, 2019 08:07:26   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
AHO-C wrote:
Thank you lindajoy.....very informative and useful.....Unfortunately what most people do not realize is that the Earth's Climate is affected by things as microscopic as the types and quantity of microbes in the soil., the size and efficiency of plants and their leaves ( some people seem to forget the plants produce the O2...animals produce the CO2...both seeking to balance each other), the angle of rotation of the earth, the sun spot activity, the underlying transitioning of water temps in the ocean, etc.. You do !!....I will now embarrass you by giving you the coveted ( well actually it is despised and ridiculed ....butt!! As Einstein said right after he came up with e=mc2 ...' Just because a Baboon has a really red hiney doesn't mean it has a sore butt!! ...that actually has nothing to do with anything...I just made it up and thought it was funny) AHO-C TOP SECRET special award ....which is a picture of me in this post with the words TOP SECRET 'Special Award' ( kinda like a Leg Lamp from A Christmas Story without being Fraaajeeelie !!
Thank you lindajoy.....very informative and useful... (show quote)


Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉

It amazes me how most think CO2 is the cause of everything bad and that” we” foster it.. We can all do better in keeping our land, water and air clean but Mother nature is going to do what mother nature has been doing since the creation of this amazing Earth, Universe as well..

I agree with you regarding all the other factors that certainly do contribute, create, and force our earth to stay in balance through natural cycles. Our meager minds just cannot conceptually understand the makings of this fabulous universe.

Technology, advanced technology, Has opened the doors to just a glimpse of what really is and from that then off we go into unverified hypothesis from scientist whose results are really speculation but do not really know...

Have to admit it makes for a great conversation kinda like one of those
C 'est la vie mon ami ...

So much more to it all I doubt we will ever have full comprehension. The sun and the earth axis certainly do play a significant contributing factor as well as the El Nino, eL Niña in weather patterns. I wish you a fantastic day keep up the humor love reading your posts. Don’t get too hot out there temperatures are rising I guess that’s because Summers coming LOL LOL

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May 16, 2019 10:02:12   #
MR Mister (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Wow... The Koch brothers are Democrats? How can you say that with a straight face? Oh, did you attend Trump U to learn to lie with no conscience?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family


Was it your intention to lie or are you just talking about things you know nothing about again?


That fact is by there own words on your favorite liberal 60 minutes. I bet you can find the program on the web. You have to be mindful you what you believe from your commies buddys.

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May 16, 2019 10:45:29   #
AHO-C (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉

It amazes me how most think CO2 is the cause of everything bad and that” we” foster it.. We can all do better in keeping our land, water and air clean but Mother nature is going to do what mother nature has been doing since the creation of this amazing Earth, Universe as well..

I agree with you regarding all the other factors that certainly do contribute, create, and force our earth to stay in balance through natural cycles. Our meager minds just cannot conceptually understand the makings of this fabulous universe.

Technology, advanced technology, Has opened the doors to just a glimpse of what really is and from that then off we go into unverified hypothesis from scientist whose results are really speculation but do not really know...

Have to admit it makes for a great conversation kinda like one of those
C 'est la vie mon ami ...

So much more to it all I doubt we will ever have full comprehension. The sun and the earth axis certainly do play a significant contributing factor as well as the El Nino, eL Niña in weather patterns. I wish you a fantastic day keep up the humor love reading your posts. Don’t get too hot out there temperatures are rising I guess that’s because Summers coming LOL LOL
Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉 br br It a... (show quote)


'C 'est la vie mon ami'...are you callin' me a Baboon butt in Martian or sumthin' ??? Have a great day!!

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May 16, 2019 13:22:33   #
Sew_What (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉

It amazes me how most think CO2 is the cause of everything bad and that” we” foster it.. We can all do better in keeping our land, water and air clean but Mother nature is going to do what mother nature has been doing since the creation of this amazing Earth, Universe as well..

I agree with you regarding all the other factors that certainly do contribute, create, and force our earth to stay in balance through natural cycles. Our meager minds just cannot conceptually understand the makings of this fabulous universe.

Technology, advanced technology, Has opened the doors to just a glimpse of what really is and from that then off we go into unverified hypothesis from scientist whose results are really speculation but do not really know...

Have to admit it makes for a great conversation kinda like one of those
C 'est la vie mon ami ...

So much more to it all I doubt we will ever have full comprehension. The sun and the earth axis certainly do play a significant contributing factor as well as the El Nino, eL Niña in weather patterns. I wish you a fantastic day keep up the humor love reading your posts. Don’t get too hot out there temperatures are rising I guess that’s because Summers coming LOL LOL
Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉 br br It a... (show quote)


From:http:www.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2018/03/12/what-science-says-about-role-of-co2-in-climate-change/#.XN2a3uhKhaQ

Excerpted
For example, a team of four NASA scientists led by Andrew Lacis and including Gavin Schmidt, found this: “Ample physical evidence shows that carbon dioxide (CO2) is the single most important climate-relevant greenhouse gas in Earth’s atmosphere.”

Yes, water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth’s overall greenhouse effect. And, in fact, a companion study led by Schmidt showed that water vapor and clouds together account for 75 percent, with CO2 coming in at 20 percent, and other non-condensing greenhouse gases making up the rest.

So given that CO2 accounts for just a fifth of Earth’s overall greenhouse effect, what supports the claim that it nevertheless is the most important greenhouse gas?

The answer involves different characteristics of greenhouse gases. When the atmosphere cools enough, water vapor condenses and rains out. By contrast, carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases do not — they are non-condensing.

The researchers found that without these non-condensing greenhouse gases — CO2 foremost among them — there would be nothing to prevent the atmosphere from cooling enough to cause water vapor to rain out. And since it is such a potent greenhouse gas, if water vapor were to rain out, the result would be very dramatic cooling. In this way, CO2 may not be as potent a greenhouse gas as water vapor, but it is actually more important.

“Without the radiative forcing supplied by CO2 and the other noncondensing greenhouse gases, the terrestrial greenhouse would collapse, plunging the global climate into an icebound Earth state,” the authors of the first study concluded.

Just how much does carbon dioxide contribute? The second study led by Gavin Schmidt concluded that the CO2 in our atmosphere is itself is responsible for 80 percent of the radiative forcing that sustains Earth’s greenhouse effect.

CO2 and Earth's Energy Budget
Scientists have worked out the fine details of how energy flows through Earth’s atmosphere, as seen in this diagram. It shows how energy contained in sunlight warms our planet, and how this energy becomes temporarily trapped as it flows away from Earth’s surface as longwave infrared radiation. This energy trap produces the greenhouse effect, the main driver of global warming. (Source: Kevin Trenberth, John Fasullo and Jeff Kiehl via UCAR)

This brings me to another claim made by some commenters here at ImaGeo. Climate records show that global temperatures drop before CO2 does as Earth enters an ice age, and visa versa too: Temperatures rise before CO2 as we come out of an ice age. So once again, CO2 cannot be the most important factor.

Scientists have actually long known that something something other than CO2 sets things in motion when Earth enters and emerges from ice ages: shifts in solar radiation reaching Earth due to variations in the Earth’s orientation to the Sun. (These are known as Milankovitch cycles). Then other natural feedbacks kick in — most especially changes in carbon dioxide.

Scientists haven’t fully teased out all of the details yet. But in general, the picture looks like this:

As Earth starts to warm at the end of an ice age due to increased solar radiation reaching Earth, ice sheets and snow begin to contract. These surfaces are very reflective. So as they shrink, less sunlight is reflected back into space. This helps to enhance the warming. The warming causes ocean waters to give up CO2 — because CO2 is less soluble in warmer water. This strongly enhances the warming, which reduces the ice and snow, which causes more warming, which increases the CO2, leading to even more warming.

The bottom line is that a change in the amount of solar energy reaching Earth may get things going, but it’s CO2 that plays the dominant role.

This general picture leaves out some important details, such as the role of fresh water flowing into the oceans as ice sheets melt. A 2012 study led by Jeremy Shakun, now a Boston College climatologist, examined some of these details. Skeptical Science posted an excellent explainer about the results here. But the upshot of the study was this: “While the orbital cycles triggered the initial warming, overall, more than 90% of the glacial-interglacial warming occured after that atmospheric CO2 increase.”

I’ll finish with one recent piece of research in which a team of five scientists examined the role of greenhouse gases in temperature anomalies, including the overall warming trend, since the onset of the industrial revolution.

Here, too, commenters on this blog often claim that since recent periods in Earth’s past were almost as warm as it is now, we can’t know for sure that the CO2 we’ve added to the atmosphere is responsible for the observed recent warming.

But in their paper, published in the journal Scientific Reports, the scientists confirmed that our emissions of greenhouse gases, “especially CO2, are the main causal drivers of the recent warming.”

Earth’s climate is clearly an incredibly complex system. And climate scientists have never contended that they’ve understood all the details, or that their current understanding isn’t subject to revision when new evidence comes along. This is why they continue to do their research – to improve our understanding of how one of Earth’s key life support systems works.

They’ve also never contended that CO2 is the sole factor driving climate changes over geologic history. As we’ve seen, however, it plays a key role: Without the CO2 thermostat, Earth would likely be a proverbial snowball.

And now, we humans have turned the thermostat up, with predictable results that we’re already observing — such as changes to permafrost in the Arctic that got me going on this post to begin with.



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May 16, 2019 13:26:13   #
Sew_What (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉

It amazes me how most think CO2 is the cause of everything bad and that” we” foster it.. We can all do better in keeping our land, water and air clean but Mother nature is going to do what mother nature has been doing since the creation of this amazing Earth, Universe as well..

I agree with you regarding all the other factors that certainly do contribute, create, and force our earth to stay in balance through natural cycles. Our meager minds just cannot conceptually understand the makings of this fabulous universe.

Technology, advanced technology, Has opened the doors to just a glimpse of what really is and from that then off we go into unverified hypothesis from scientist whose results are really speculation but do not really know...

Have to admit it makes for a great conversation kinda like one of those
C 'est la vie mon ami ...

So much more to it all I doubt we will ever have full comprehension. The sun and the earth axis certainly do play a significant contributing factor as well as the El Nino, eL Niña in weather patterns. I wish you a fantastic day keep up the humor love reading your posts. Don’t get too hot out there temperatures are rising I guess that’s because Summers coming LOL LOL
Lololol,AHO-C, Thank You, I think~~ 😉 br br It a... (show quote)


http://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull21-1/21105880210.pdf

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May 16, 2019 13:45:13   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
MR Mister wrote:
That fact is by there own words on your favorite liberal 60 minutes. I bet you can find the program on the web. You have to be mindful you what you believe from your commies buddys.


Yes, because we all know that people donate so much more money to the political party they despise the most. The proof is in who they donate the most money to the most frequently and what ideologies they favor the most. Since they donate far more money to conservative candidates and causes and that they favor deregulation, I will assume that their Republican/Libertarian leanings are genuine. I'll bet you didn't bother reading ANY of the links I posted, did you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family (this is the family as a WHOLE)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries#Political_activity (their businesses)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family_foundations (their foundations)

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/companies-owned-koch-brothers/

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers (that damned Republican Bernie Sanders trying to defame and denigrate the Koch brothers by lying and saying that they are conservatives and only believe in conservative cases and ideologies, damn Sanders' lying cheating ways, they aren't even running for president. *by the way, since I know you can't distinguish sarcasm, I am being facetious here, Bernie is no Republican*)

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-164403/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/koch-brothers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/23/koch-family-fred-frederick-charles-david-and-bill/26029549/

http://time.com/5491587/koch-brothers-network-immigration-reform/

https://www.kochind.com (and their business website in case you are interested)



Yeah, since every source I came across seems to all say they are dyed in the wool, ultra left wing liberals/socialists/commies, you must be right... oh wait... no, that is as backwards as your thinking. Every source said quite the opposite, as does the Koch brothers' own actions, my bad.


I tell you what, that was totally unfair, far too much is known about the Koch bothers. I had the advantage all along. How about this, you find one source, only one, that says that they are in fact liberal Democrats, I will declare that you are right and that you win, does that sound fair? Of course the site can not be satire, it can't be a site pushing fake news, it MUST source it's facts from a reliable source and these facts MUST be true. I don't play fair do I?





Edit: You are also clueless as to what my favorite shows are since I never comment on what my favorite shows are so there is no way any intelligent person could know my preferences in shows much less someone with your limited intellect.

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