Well Mr Permafrost, much of what you say makes sense to me. Like follow the money. I deplore the extreme wealthy abusing their influence to manipulate the system for their own gain at the harm of others. Pick an industry. There ain't many (none that I know of) that didn't make their wealth off the backs, and lungs, and arms, and legs, and livers, of their workers. They all feel they have the right to do so. The exact same will happen to the Green industries. They'll get rich off our backs. But so what, that is the way the system works. So b***h all you want about the right being blind to the nature of the system.

What the topic is, is C*****e C****e. You seem tho think that we right leaners do not "understand" the science. Well, that is exactly what we believe of the left. So again we agree. I'm with you. You are ignorant of the facts of the science. I have posted here many times about the h**x. Many of those posts included links from reputable sources, even CNN at times (made me choke to do so). Your one statement on the subject eluded to the 97% or maybe the IPCC, and that only "right wingers" in the US were questioning the "settled science". Maybe that is so. But the point is science is NEVER settled. My post you replied to pointed out that the "settled science" in Gore's day said we would be under feet of water today. That was certainly "settled". Now our love child AOC says the science is "settled" at 10 years before we all die. If these discrepancies cannot elicit one iota of doubt, then you cannot think. Want another...sorry getting it anyway. In the 70's the earth was headed to an ICE AGE. More "settled science".

Now to your real point. F****l f**ls vs G***n E****y. Yes, develop G***n e****y. But realize that it will not solve anything. The earth is not going to die without it. Alternative sources are always a good thing (unless of course as pointed out by AOH-C, the Green technologies pollute more than existing technologies. And don't forget HOW the cobalt is mined for those lovely batteries.) And AF1, the people who saved the Snail Darter would actually care about birds, especially, birds of prey being k**led by turbines.

There is a common ground to aim for. Spend the monies being targeted for reduction of the life blood of the world, CO2, on real needs. Build turbines that mitigate the negative effects of huge blades chopping up birds, or making noise that causes cancer (ya right on that one, sounds like very unsettled science to me). There are so many REAL problems that the left (and the right) cares about, why chase the h**xes, the witch hunts, the obstructions, etc. Ask your members of Congress and the Senate to just knock it off. Get back to business. I did so to my Senator Wyden just a few days ago (the opportunity jumped at me). I told him, I could never v**e Democrat until they stop their obstruction of the government processes.

Well Mr Permafrost, much of what you say makes sense to me. Like follow the money. I deplore the extreme wealthy abusing their influence to manipulate the system for their own gain at the harm of others. Pick an industry. There ain't many (none that I know of) that didn't make their wealth off the backs, and lungs, and arms, and legs, and livers, of their workers. They all feel they have the right to do so. The exact same will happen to the Green industries. They'll get rich off our backs. But so what, that is the way the system works. So b***h all you want about the right being blind to the nature of the system.

What the topic is, is C*****e C****e. You seem tho think that we right leaners do not "understand" the science. Well, that is exactly what we believe of the left. So again we agree. I'm with you. You are ignorant of the facts of the science. I have posted here many times about the h**x. Many of those posts included links from reputable sources, even CNN at times (made me choke to do so). Your one statement on the subject eluded to the 97% or maybe the IPCC, and that only "right wingers" in the US were questioning the "settled science". Maybe that is so. But the point is science is NEVER settled. My post you replied to pointed out that the "settled science" in Gore's day said we would be under feet of water today. That was certainly "settled". Now our love child AOC says the science is "settled" at 10 years before we all die. If these discrepancies cannot elicit one iota of doubt, then you cannot think. Want another...sorry getting it anyway. In the 70's the earth was headed to an ICE AGE. More "settled science".

Now to your real point. F****l f**ls vs G***n E****y. Yes, develop G***n e****y. But realize that it will not solve anything. The earth is not going to die without it. Alternative sources are always a good thing (unless of course as pointed out by AOH-C, the Green technologies pollute more than existing technologies. And don't forget HOW the cobalt is mined for those lovely batteries.) And AF1, the people who saved the Snail Darter would actually care about birds, especially, birds of prey being k**led by turbines.

There is a common ground to aim for. Spend the monies being targeted for reduction of the life blood of the world, CO2, on real needs. Build turbines that mitigate the negative effects of huge blades chopping up birds, or making noise that causes cancer (ya right on that one, sounds like very unsettled science to me). There are so many REAL problems that the left (and the right) cares about, why chase the h**xes, the witch hunts, the obstructions, etc. Ask your members of Congress and the Senate to just knock it off. Get back to business. I did so to my Senator Wyden just a few days ago (the opportunity jumped at me). I told him, I could never v**e Democrat until they stop their obstruction of the government processes.

Unlike the right wing wishes.. Al Gore did not "invent" CC... your AOC comments remain out of context..

CC is all around you everyday..

The 70s "ice age" was pushed as headliner, at the same time the CC data was showing warming trend and paper published that recorded data..

reducing the carbon impact is a world wide goal, China, India the EU and even the non federal government and business of the US are working on it and getting results..

Only the orange non-existent coal mines are fighting tooth and nail along with the Koch bros to hold back progress..

Some other things to consider🙃~~sea Ice for instance..,
Sea ice is found in remote polar oceans. On average, sea ice covers about 25 million square kilometers (9,652,553 square miles) of the earth, or about two-and-a-half times the area of Canada. Because most of us do not live in the polar regions, we may live for several decades and never see sea ice. Although it may not directly affect us, it is a critical component of our planet because it influences climate, wildlife, and people who live in the Arctic.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/index.html

Are glaciers melting or growing?? Sun reflection back into the Atmosphere does what?? is it CO2 or is Mother Nature just taking care of our planet ?


Another to consider~~Interesting things happen for a reason..

Atmosphere and Ocean Circulation

The atmosphere and ocean act as "heat engines," always trying to restore a temperature balance by t***sporting heat toward the poles. Our weather is a manifestation of this phenomenon. Low-pressure systems, such as storms, which can be especially strong in winter, are one of nature's best ways of t***sporting heat poleward by atmospheric circulation. The oceans, by contrast, tend to t***sport heat in a slower and less violent fashion. Changes in the amount of sea ice alter how cold the poles are, which could affect atmospheric and ocean circulation.

Diagram of thermohaline circulation
Diagram of thermohaline circulation.
—Image courtesy of NASA GSFC.
Ocean currents t***sport heat from the equator to the poles through a heat- and saline-driven process called thermohaline circulation. Warm water moves from the equator northward along the ocean surface and eventually cools. As it cools, it becomes dense and heavy and sinks. This cold water then moves south along the lower part of the ocean and rises near the equator to complete the cycle. Like the atmospheric heat t***sport discussed earlier, this is a natural process that contributes to a proper temperature balance across the earth. It also explains why Europe is relatively warm, because as northward flowing surface water in the Atlantic Ocean cools, heat is released to the atmosphere.

Thermohaline circulation can be disrupted if the ocean surface receives a layer of fresh water. How might this happen? One mechanism involves changes in Arctic winds that move sea ice from the Arctic Ocean through Fram Strait into the North Atlantic.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/environment/global_climate.html

It astounds me how the anti anything people on the right think, how do you even tie your shoes..

IN all the world, the only consolidated group insisting CC is not happening is the right wingers n the United States..

You want to follow the money??? LOL No you do not.. it is only an echo you use for a sound bite..

So follow the money... the f****l f**l people pay the same caliber of people who opposed regulation of tobacco.. anything for a buck..

See how the Koch bros do everything down to bankrolling schools for little kids to champion their own business interests..

No one is telling you or me to live in a frontier style life.. the advances are for maintaining a life style we are comfortable with.. give up my computer/TV phone, car, you name it...
No way, we get cheaper g***n e****y by the day and we will replace the f****l f**l we use with renewable and keep the life style we wish..

But you bet your a** it is cheaper and much healthier then the poison we are urged to use by your billionaires ...

Some other things to consider🙃~~sea Ice for instance..,
Sea ice is found in remote polar oceans. On average, sea ice covers about 25 million square kilometers (9,652,553 square miles) of the earth, or about two-and-a-half times the area of Canada. Because most of us do not live in the polar regions, we may live for several decades and never see sea ice. Although it may not directly affect us, it is a critical component of our planet because it influences climate, wildlife, and people who live in the Arctic.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/index.html

Are glaciers melting or growing?? Sun reflection back into the Atmosphere does what?? is it CO2 or is Mother Nature just taking care of our planet ?


Another to consider~~Interesting things happen for a reason..

Atmosphere and Ocean Circulation

The atmosphere and ocean act as "heat engines," always trying to restore a temperature balance by t***sporting heat toward the poles. Our weather is a manifestation of this phenomenon. Low-pressure systems, such as storms, which can be especially strong in winter, are one of nature's best ways of t***sporting heat poleward by atmospheric circulation. The oceans, by contrast, tend to t***sport heat in a slower and less violent fashion. Changes in the amount of sea ice alter how cold the poles are, which could affect atmospheric and ocean circulation.

Diagram of thermohaline circulation
Diagram of thermohaline circulation.
—Image courtesy of NASA GSFC.
Ocean currents t***sport heat from the equator to the poles through a heat- and saline-driven process called thermohaline circulation. Warm water moves from the equator northward along the ocean surface and eventually cools. As it cools, it becomes dense and heavy and sinks. This cold water then moves south along the lower part of the ocean and rises near the equator to complete the cycle. Like the atmospheric heat t***sport discussed earlier, this is a natural process that contributes to a proper temperature balance across the earth. It also explains why Europe is relatively warm, because as northward flowing surface water in the Atlantic Ocean cools, heat is released to the atmosphere.

Thermohaline circulation can be disrupted if the ocean surface receives a layer of fresh water. How might this happen? One mechanism involves changes in Arctic winds that move sea ice from the Arctic Ocean through Fram Strait into the North Atlantic.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/environment/global_climate.html

Some other things to consider🙃~~sea Ice for instance..,
Sea ice is found in remote polar oceans. On average, sea ice covers about 25 million square kilometers (9,652,553 square miles) of the earth, or about two-and-a-half times the area of Canada. Because most of us do not live in the polar regions, we may live for several decades and never see sea ice. Although it may not directly affect us, it is a critical component of our planet because it influences climate, wildlife, and people who live in the Arctic.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/index.html

Are glaciers melting or growing?? Sun reflection back into the Atmosphere does what?? is it CO2 or is Mother Nature just taking care of our planet ?


Another to consider~~Interesting things happen for a reason..

Atmosphere and Ocean Circulation

The atmosphere and ocean act as "heat engines," always trying to restore a temperature balance by t***sporting heat toward the poles. Our weather is a manifestation of this phenomenon. Low-pressure systems, such as storms, which can be especially strong in winter, are one of nature's best ways of t***sporting heat poleward by atmospheric circulation. The oceans, by contrast, tend to t***sport heat in a slower and less violent fashion. Changes in the amount of sea ice alter how cold the poles are, which could affect atmospheric and ocean circulation.

Diagram of thermohaline circulation
Diagram of thermohaline circulation.
—Image courtesy of NASA GSFC.
Ocean currents t***sport heat from the equator to the poles through a heat- and saline-driven process called thermohaline circulation. Warm water moves from the equator northward along the ocean surface and eventually cools. As it cools, it becomes dense and heavy and sinks. This cold water then moves south along the lower part of the ocean and rises near the equator to complete the cycle. Like the atmospheric heat t***sport discussed earlier, this is a natural process that contributes to a proper temperature balance across the earth. It also explains why Europe is relatively warm, because as northward flowing surface water in the Atlantic Ocean cools, heat is released to the atmosphere.

Thermohaline circulation can be disrupted if the ocean surface receives a layer of fresh water. How might this happen? One mechanism involves changes in Arctic winds that move sea ice from the Arctic Ocean through Fram Strait into the North Atlantic.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/environment/global_climate.html

Thank you lindajoy.....very informative and useful.....Unfortunately what most people do not realize is that the Earth's Climate is affected by things as microscopic as the types and quantity of microbes in the soil., the size and efficiency of plants and their leaves ( some people seem to forget the plants produce the O2...animals produce the CO2...both seeking to balance each other), the angle of rotation of the earth, the sun spot activity, the underlying t***sitioning of water temps in the ocean, etc.. You do !!....I will now embarrass you by giving you the coveted ( well actually it is despised and ridiculed ....butt!! As Einstein said right after he came up with e=mc2 ...' Just because a Baboon has a really red hiney doesn't mean it has a sore butt!! ...that actually has nothing to do with anything...I just made it up and thought it was funny) AHO-C TOP SECRET special award ....which is a picture of me in this post with the words TOP SECRET 'Special Award' ( kinda like a Leg Lamp from A Christmas Story without being Fraaajeeelie !!

Unlike the right wing wishes.. Al Gore did not "invent" CC... your AOC comments remain out of context..

CC is all around you everyday..

The 70s "ice age" was pushed as headliner, at the same time the CC data was showing warming trend and paper published that recorded data..

reducing the carbon impact is a world wide goal, China, India the EU and even the non federal government and business of the US are working on it and getting results..

Only the orange non-existent coal mines are fighting tooth and nail along with the Koch bros to hold back progress..