susanblange Loc: USA

Adam was God's only biological son. God has a lot of adopted sons. Satan is a father and son. God is a husband and wife.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

This will be my final post on this thread.
I should know better than to get involved in the subject of religion. It inevitably winds up in a draw with no minds changed and only positions hardened.
I can neither prove the existance of God and Jesus, nor can I disprove their manifestations. The science of biblical archaeology so far has produced ambivalent results as to the origins and validity of the Bible, and the believers use it to bolster their faith, while the naysayers point to it and see no valid evidence.
There is some conjecture that much of present day religion is based on more ancient stories and myths, such as the seeming correlation of the Biblical story of the Great Flood deriving from an even more ancient Persian story from antiquity.
Even within the followers of Buddha, which originally required that the followers not deify him, it has happened. It is probably human nature to have some entity to pass the responsibility for our human failings up to. Having dug into the original teachings of Buddhism at length, I tend to believe that any religious system has at its roots a system of social behavior (no k**l, no steal, no bonking your neighbor's wife, etc). The system then grows exponentially, depending on whose ox gets gored in the implementation of the system. It can evolve into a priestly class such as the Egyptians and Catholics , or it can become more down-to-earth such as many of the protestant sects. At the extremes it can become the realm of the God-King or just be a philosophical path that makes life easier for those following it.
In any case, while the discussion of religion is sometimes enlightening, for the most part it results in a stalemate. I try to admit when I'm wrong and stick up for what I feel is right … on this subject I can't find a substantive basis for determining what is right or wrong. It is all conjecture and belief with little or no factual basis on which to hang your hat.
You are free to believe in wh**ever structure you wish … but I reserve my right to not believe it with you, nor to have you force-feed your beliefs and morals down my throat by wh**ever means you choose … legislative or otherwise.
It's been enlightening in spite of the occasional troglodyte that tries to k**l the messenger rather than participating in a civil and non-gutter discussion.
Thanks to all who listened and participated.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Zemirah,

You want to continue to argue your OPINIONS about your understanding of all things pertaining to God and Christianity, and you react to every perceived slight of anything you said. Here is some reality for you... At this point, you have not added anything else to the conversation by telling everyone how wrong they are because you deny universal t***hs.

I will let you have the last word because it appears to be very important to you. I will not answer your questions as that would dignify them. I don't need your validation for what I have said. Others will read and decide for themselves.

I have said what I meant and meant what I said. I think my words are clear and speak for themselves.

We will have to agree that we disagree!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Robert Spencer's research focuses on Islamic Jihad, not on Islam in general. On his website, Jihad Watch, Spencer reports actual real life events that expose the actions of Jihadists. If that makes him a bigot, so be it.

In the Bible and all other Christian and Jewish literature, you will not find any doctrines of violence or condemnation of any other religion or religious beliefs. Islamic scripture and literature are packed with doctrines of violence and condemnation of ALL unbelievers, the operative term is "Infidel".

There is one fundamental, even transcendent, difference between Christianity and all other religions. Apparently you do not yet understand that.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I see.

I'm arguing my opinion, although it is documented, whereas you're arguing unproven, often erroneous, and unprovable "universal t***hs."

Your thimble full of self-proclaimed wisdom is preceded only by your blindness.

My words need no validation, whereas the wrath you feel from being wrong is unconcealable.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Me:
You:

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Don't ever get into an argument with a wrong-headed ignorant bully. You lower yourself to their level and it makes both look stupid.

Rose42

Do you know the context? Read all of Romans 3. It makes sense. Paul is referencing Psalm 14 so you should read Psalm 14 (The Fool Says There is no God).



Not in any way. Man's opinion doesn't negate God's word. Christ said He was THE way.



There was no deflection there.



This is a very common question and addressed in the articles and elsewhere should you look.



But there is only one way. You either accept it or you don't. The bible's fundamental t***hs are very simple. Like the trinity. The triune nature of God is shown very simply. Those who don't believe it need pages and pages of rationalizations and irrelevant quotes. The bible explains the bible. Its beautifully simple. But to the natural man it is folly.



No it isn't. Anyone can hear the gospel. Atheists can hear it. Whether it falls on poor soil or good soil is a completely different matter. Reference the parable of the sower in Matthew 13.



No. Read the information and do some study on it.



He has no reason to justify anything to us.

Rose42

Who are you calling a wrong headed and ignorant bully?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Blade...

I am not arguing that Christianity and Islam are the same religion...

Just that they worship the same God..

As for the Bible and doctrines of violence... Read the OT...
Intolerance of other faiths...
Read the OT...

Finally... Spencer's focus on Jihad do not make him a bigot (more attention should be paid to the issue)... His intentional misrepresentation of Islam make him a bigot...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Me:

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

He forgot to pluralize

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Agreed....

But the thing is it is not always easy to spot them...

You didn't come off as looking stupid to me..

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

My take away is that this article once again doesn't answer the question...

Perhaps it is my inability to properly comprehend what is being said....

As you obviously understand the the article and how it addresses the issue, and since I know you would never deny anyone the chance at Salvation (as you pointed out to Tommy..), would you be so kind as to explain?

I am admitting ignorance here...
Perhaps I am misreading the article...
Or not understanding the Scripture...

As you pointed out above, perhaps I am not reading it in th right context...

I freely admit to these failings...


The question once again was "will a soul who has never heard of Jesus be denied heaven?"

Thanks

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Others have read, and others have decided...

Well said Tucker...

(and took you long enough to catch on )