Speaking of Jesus as a man is true. Speaking of Him as God is also true, for He is fully man and fully God.
What any one individual did or did not grasp at any one time is irrelevant.
The only explanation as to who Jesus is, is found in Holy Scripture, Genesis to Revelation.
I don't care what Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato or Aristotle said for they were all pagan philosophers listening to the sound of their own voice. They knew nothing of the One True God.
After the Biblical Canon of Scripture was closed in 96 A.D. (with the completion of "The Revelation of Jesus Christ to the Apostle John)," I care not on what any individual Jew, Greek or Roman, or any of the so-called seven "church councils" (called together and dictated to by the Roman Emperor) pontificated.
Their devised creeds are but the words of men.
That is all history, but not Scripture. They spoke Not for God.
There are twenty verses with a clause that mentions all three members of the Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son (the Lord Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.
Not one God in three phases. Not three different gods coexisting. One divine being, three offices.
1. Matthew 3:16
“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.”
2. Matthew 12:28
“But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”
3. Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”
4. Luke 3:22
“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
5. John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
6. John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of t***h who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”
7. Acts 1:4
“Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised [the Holy Spirit], “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .”
8. Acts 2:33
“Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”
9. Acts 10:38
“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
10. Romans 1:4
“Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .”
11. Romans 8:9
“However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”
12. 1 Corinthians 6:11
Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
13. 2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
14. Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
15. Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
16. Ephesians 2:18
For through Him [Jesus] we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
17. Ephesians 2:22
In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
18. Titus 3:6
Whom [the Holy Spirit] He [God] poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.
19. Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
20. 1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
There are additional passages that encompass all three Trinity members (1st Corinthians 12:4–6; Ephesians 1:13–14; 4:4–6; Jude 20–21), and many more that describe the relationships between the three persons of the Trinity.
Key Passages are:
Matthew 28:19
1st Corinthians 12:4–6
2nd Corinthians 13:14
Ephesians 4:4–6
1st Peter 1:2
1st John 5:7
Jude 20–21
There are passages in the Old Testament mentioning all three members of the Trinity. One is Isaiah 48:16, in which Jesus says, “and now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
You can deny that the One God, throughout His Biblical message to mankind, is three personages in perfect unity within One Godhead, in one essence, with one goal, but it will avail you nothing on earth and certainly not in heaven.
You may continue to attempt to turn God's Word on its head.
Why do you kick against the goads?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-157872-1.html#2842788https://overviewbible.com/trinity-bible-verses/https://topics.logos.com/TrinityTommyRadd wrote:
Dear Zemirah,
“John Gill (November 23, 1697-October 14, 1771) was an English Baptist, a biblical scholar, and a staunch Calvinist.”
In other words, he was not a first century or earlier Jew, but is interpreting the Bible from his Trinitarian and Calvinistic bias.
Jesus clearly and simply proclaimed:
“You worship that which you don't know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews.” John 4:22
Where do any Jews contemporary or before Jesus, who Jesus said knew what they worshipped, believe God was a Trinity?
That is the issue: what Jesus said and whether we will believe him or false teachers who minimize what he said.
Any challenge to this is a “yeah has God said” segway.
The Trinity is a “what” consisting of three “who’s”. The Jews knew “what” they worshipped and ADAMANTLY did NOT believe God was plural in personality.
How is it you don’t see that you have to negate Jesus’ affirmation of the Jewish understanding of monotheism in order to defend a teaching that wasn’t fully defined until the fourth century? (And that by men who boasted they had destroyed the monotheism of Jews (like Jesus) even claiming it to be a heresy!
John Gill noted accurately what “shema” means, which means listen:
“Deut. 6:4, "Hear, O Israel,...." These are the words of Moses, stirring up the people to an attention to what he was about to say...”
But are you aware that the New Testament has its own Shema?
22"Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as you yourselves know, 23him, being delivered up by the determined counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by the hand of lawless men, crucified and k**led; 24whom God raised up, having freed him from the agony of death, because it was not possible that he should be held by it.
25For David says concerning him, 'I saw the Lord always before my face, For he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved.
26Therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced. Moreover my flesh also will dwell in hope;
27because you will not leave my soul in Hades, neither will you allow your Holy One to see decay.
28You made known to me the ways of life. You will make me full of gladness with your presence.'
29"Brothers, I may tell you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, he would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31he foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was his soul left in Hades, nor did his flesh see decay. 32This Jesus God raised up, to which we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted by the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this, which you now see and hear.
34For David didn't ascend into the heavens, but he says himself, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit by my right hand,
35until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."' 36"Let all the house of Israel therefore know certainly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified." Acts2:22:36
The New Testament shema/listen, is that Jesus is a MAN approved of God, not an incarnation of God nor a Trinity.
Will you listen to Peter and repent of the same assumption the Jews had, namely that they accused him of a man making himself God, but Peter said he was a man who was anointed and APPROVED by God and MADE lord and Christ!
Will you repent like the Jews did on Pentecost, or gnash on the messenger like they did to Stephen in Acts 7?
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