Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I sincerely doubt that Almighty God cares one whit how we who Love Him label ourselves. We are his CHILDREN.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

How about "Saved?"

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I think you missed the point....
We can always learn... Unless we choose to close our minds...



The issue is labelling them 'false teachings' before you examine them..
If Christians (or anyone) wishes to call them out, they should demonstrate that they are false ...
Benign ignorance is still ignorance...



A foundation can only be solid if it is built on t***h...
How to determine t***h?
By examining it... Not by denying anything that might contradict it...

I agree that we should never attempt to turn an individual away from salvation...

I have no doubt that many more are brought to salvation through reasoned argument than via denial of anything contradictory to a given belief...



Is there a point when we should stop drinking the milk?



Absolutely...
And he warned us about false teachers...



But one will grow in understanding of God by examining and accepting or refuting the arguments of all teachers...

In my opinion, it is only when we stop searching that we begin to grow away from God... Complacency is a sin...

God bless Rose...

Eyes wide, ears open...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I suggested Children....

But it was pointed out that the Jews and Muslims also consider themselves His children (Which they are..)

This is simply an exercise in thought...
And is most fun...

I agree that the Lord probably doesn't care

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Seems rather presumptuous...No?

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I have really enjoyed this ongoing conversation between the two of you. You both have given me a lot to think about. We are never too old to stop learning, and in today's world, it is more important than ever to make learning a lifelong pursuit. Thanks.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Well, now that you mention it.

It is a mental exercise.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And a most excellent one...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Rose is one of the most civil posters on the OPP...
I have always greatly enjoyed talking/ discussing/ debating/ arguing with her...

And I agree... One should never stop learning...

I have learned a lot from you on this thread as well

Rose42

Someone who goes through the motions, says the right things but its not in their heart. That can manifest itself in different ways.



Do you? If wordcount and citing verses is what you seek read some Catholic apologetics on Mary being the new ark of the covenant. There’s lots of material on a lot of different teachings.



Yes but Satan used scripture to try and tempt him. Islam, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the prosperity gospel, Seventh day adventists, emergent church, word of faith, Catholocism and others - all have reams of apologetics, history and verses to cite. And those are false religions. All can cite some scripture. Even atheists can do it - there are sites dev**ed to verses they say show how the bible is a book of h**e.



How does one know if they don’t have a solid foundation yet? How is it God, Christ and the Holy Spirit were all present at the same time when Christ was baptized? Was God talking to himself while the Spirit descended? Or did he manifest himself as all 3? Oneness pentecostals believe that there are different modes of existence of God and God can’t exist in more than one mode at a time. So he flip flops.

There is one God and there is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. 1 Tim 2:5. Does God mediate for himself?

There are plenty of other scriptures and arguments that show modalism is false teaching.

A well known proponent of this is TD Jakes. He also has other issues as other false teachers of Modalism do. He’s a proponent of the prosperity gospel.

Look up Sabellianism and Modalism and see why they are false teachings.




That example was given to me long ago by my uncle who is a surgeon. His point was it would be completely irresponsible for someone still in med school to attempt a heart t***splant. Thats not how surgeons are trained.



No thats not what I was saying



We have to make sure that we don’t try and interpret it to say what we want it to say. This is where study guides and concordances can help

And if you see false teaching you should always point it out.

susanblange Loc: USA

Christians are called Prisoners of Jesus. Romans 16:7, Galatians 2:4, Ephesians 3:1, 4:1, Philippians 1:7, Colossians 4:3, 4:18, II Timothy 1:8, Philemon 1:1, 1:9-10. "And ye shall know the t***h, and the t***h shall make you free". John 8:32. "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will". II Timothy 2:26. Christians walk in darkness and they are not free. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, it's one or the other. You're either free or you're a prisoner.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

What followers of their faith in Christ have is free will.
And Free Will makes us free.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Understood... Thank you for clarrifying...
I might refer to such an individual as "pseudo-Christian"...



Word count is unimportant...
It is the argument that is of value...
But I do appreciate it when there are sources and references...



My point was that Christ used Scripture to refute Satan's knowledge of Scripture... Which no one seems able to do for Tommy's argument... Although I hold high hopes for my friends outside the OPP...

Your ability to judge these individuals (Islam, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the prosperity gospel, Seventh day adventists, emergent church, word of faith, Catholocism and others ) borders on amazing... I would never seek to so judge them... That is for the LORD alone to do... (and I am surprised that you left out Jews)... None of these paths are mine (although I am willing to grow in understanding of the Lord through their understanding) but they May be the paths for others... I repeat... That is for God alone to decide....

If they cite Scripture falsely one should confront them and show the falsehood of their claims...
Not tell them they are wrong wrong wrong and then condemn them...




One must first believe as I do in order to understand how I believe?.... Not buying it...

I believe God was speaking to the people present...

I have no knowledge of "Oneness pentacostals"... I don't see how they enter the argument...
If one argument is wrong another completely different argument is wrong?... Nope



Sorry... To me this quote supports Tommy's argument... One God... Men... A mediator...



I may...
As you have condemned them as false teachings it is less likely to interest me... You condemn many things that you are unable to confront...



Yes... But thinking one is a surgeon because one really really really believes one understands surgery is illogical... One must demonstrate an ability to perform surgery...

Please... Show me that you are not a false teacher and refute Tommy's argument... Be sure to use Scripture so that it is biblically sound...




Absolutely... But study guides and public opinion don't ensure we are learning the t***h...

Do "Islam, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the prosperity gospel, Seventh day adventists, emergent church, word of faith, Catholocism and others " not have study guides and concordances?



Trust me... I do...

Rose42

Ok I’ll state it plainly. The reason you so readily believe Tommy is not because he hasn’t been refuted - he has - but because when it comes to scripture you are on very shaky ground. You deny elemental t***hs.



God already has decided. He tells us whats true in the word. Gods word is not subject to man’s opinion no matter how much you wish it were. We are able to judge what is sin and what is false teaching. We are supposed to discern. Judge not lest ye be judged doesn’t mean we are not to judge sin amd false teaching.

Christianity is inclusive in that all have a chance to be saved but exclusive in that those who reject Christ won’t be.

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When mistakes are pointed out with explicit verses and someone responds ‘thats not my understanding’ again and again and again or with demonstrably false teaching again and again and again they condemn themselves. No one else can do that for them



Because you haven’t done any research and don’t know the subject matter. Its the same subject not completely different.

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Your comment makes no sense

[quote]I may...
As you have condemned them as false teachings it is less likely to interest me... You condemn many things that you are unable to confront... [/quotw]

This is what you fail to grasp. *I* have condemned nothing. God’s word shows them to be false. Not me.

I have confronted them. You treat God’s word like a pot luck to pick and choose what you like and disregard what makes you uncomfortable. When confronted with Jesus being the only way - I am the way the t***h and the life no one goes to the Father except through me - you still inexplicably deny that he is the only way and say he is *a* way. You don’t understand that is a denial of Christ. You have all the information you need to either accept or reject him.

When shown the scripture that God’s covenant was with Isaac not Ishmael you still insisted that Ishmael shared in God’s covenant when there is no scripture to support it



Now I’m a false teacher. I’m not a teacher. But its not about me its about t***h which I’ve seen you reject multiple times. The above examples are just a couple.

The ball is in your court to research. And you’d better be very careful.

Zemirah has refuted Tommy and there are numerous articles that are slam dunk refutations by those who know the subject inside out. Do some research with a sincere heart. And pray that Satan doesn’t deceive you. Search for modalism, anti trinitarian or unitarian. But you’d better be armed or you will be deceived again.



Study guides and commentaries written by bible scholars. Articles written by teachers with their only agenda being promoting God’s word. Not your average Joe’s
opinion.



They all have study materials. I don’t know if they’re available online.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

"The better a work is [The Bible, or any religious tome], the more it attracts criticism; it is like the fleas who rush to jump on white linens." - Gustave Flaubert