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Apr 20, 2019 09:01:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
http://nypost.com/2019/04/19/top-10-things-the-media-got-wrong-about-collusion-and-obstruction/

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Apr 20, 2019 10:01:02   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://nypost.com/2019/04/19/top-10-things-the-media-got-wrong-about-collusion-and-obstruction/


Good article. Thanks

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Apr 20, 2019 10:22:54   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
debeda wrote:
Good article. Thanks


I thought some would enjoy this.

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Apr 20, 2019 11:09:11   #
Seth
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://nypost.com/2019/04/19/top-10-things-the-media-got-wrong-about-collusion-and-obstruction/


Read it about an hour ago, I read the NY Post pretty regularly (former home town conservative paper 😁).

The "progressives" who are guilty of all that grossly irresponsible hack reporting will, as their ilk are known to do, conveniently "forget the past" and change their angle of attack.

Today's mainstream media presents a serious affront to every principle of Journalism.

They are blatantly ripping off millions of people who believe they are providing well-researched, balanced information while abusing their special access to decision makers, other public officials and privileged-admittance situations.

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if these wannabe propagandists were to have their press cards revoked until they learned the difference between reporting and preaching.

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Apr 20, 2019 11:52:29   #
debeda
 
Seth wrote:
Read it about an hour ago, I read the NY Post pretty regularly (former home town conservative paper 😁).

The "progressives" who are guilty of all that grossly irresponsible hack reporting will, as their ilk are known to do, conveniently "forget the past" and change their angle of attack.

Today's mainstream media presents a serious affront to every principle of Journalism.

They are blatantly ripping off millions of people who believe they are providing well-researched, balanced information while abusing their special access to decision makers, other public officials and privileged-admittance situations.

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if these wannabe propagandists were to have their press cards revoked until they learned the difference between reporting and preaching.
Read it about an hour ago, I read the NY Post pret... (show quote)


YES!! Or be deplatformed for being purveyors of conspiracy theories

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Apr 22, 2019 00:44:40   #
grace scott
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://nypost.com/2019/04/19/top-10-things-the-media-got-wrong-about-collusion-and-obstruction/



I glanced at this article. Mueller's report said that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction of justice, he would have said so. He did not say so.

You should take great pleasure in the Democrats problem: If they v**e to impeach, it dies in the senate. If they do not v**e to impeach, they condone his behavior.

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Apr 22, 2019 01:28:49   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
grace scott wrote:
I glanced at this article. Mueller's report said that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction of justice, he would have said so. He did not say so.

You should take great pleasure in the Democrats problem: If they v**e to impeach, it dies in the senate. If they do not v**e to impeach, they condone his behavior.
So Trump is guilty no matter how it goes. Go figure.

Where in Mueller's report does it say "that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction of justice, he would have said so"? That is an obstruction of facts. The report says that Mueller did not find sufficient evidence to support a charge of obstruction.

Mueller also found no evidence whatsoever of collusion with Russian entities to influence the e******n, not Trump, or anyone on his campaign staff, not an American citizen anywhere. Question is, when did Mueller know this and why didn't he say something then? At some point in his investigation, Mueller realized there was no such evidence, yet he remained silent. Never said a word that might relieve the concerns of millions of American citizens. A man of principles and integrity would surely have done so. Why? Because an officer in the Justice dept ultimately works for all Americans, not a specific political party.

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Apr 22, 2019 02:47:29   #
Seth
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So Trump is guilty no matter how it goes. Go figure.

Where in Mueller's report does it say "that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction of justice, he would have said so"? That is an obstruction of facts. The report says that Mueller did not find sufficient evidence to support a charge of obstruction.

Mueller also found no evidence whatsoever of collusion with Russian entities to influence the e******n, not Trump, or anyone on his campaign staff, not an American citizen anywhere. Question is, when did Mueller know this and why didn't he say something then? At some point in his investigation, Mueller realized there was no such evidence, yet he remained silent. Never said a word that might relieve the concerns of millions of American citizens. A man of principles and integrity would surely have done so. Why? Because an officer in the Justice dept ultimately works for all Americans, not a specific political party.
So Trump is guilty no matter how it goes. Go figur... (show quote)


Early in 2018, I seem to recall Trump saying he expected Mueller to d**g it out through the e******ns to give the Democrats an edge. Having done nothing wrong, he knew exactly what was going on.

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Apr 22, 2019 09:07:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So Trump is guilty no matter how it goes. Go figure.

Where in Mueller's report does it say "that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction of justice, he would have said so"? That is an obstruction of facts. The report says that Mueller did not find sufficient evidence to support a charge of obstruction.

Mueller also found no evidence whatsoever of collusion with Russian entities to influence the e******n, not Trump, or anyone on his campaign staff, not an American citizen anywhere. Question is, when did Mueller know this and why didn't he say something then? At some point in his investigation, Mueller realized there was no such evidence, yet he remained silent. Never said a word that might relieve the concerns of millions of American citizens. A man of principles and integrity would surely have done so. Why? Because an officer in the Justice dept ultimately works for all Americans, not a specific political party.
So Trump is guilty no matter how it goes. Go figur... (show quote)


Oh yes, Mueller was holding out till after the midterms. It gave dems the House.

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Apr 22, 2019 13:17:49   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Oh yes, Mueller was holding out till after the midterms. It gave dems the House.


Agree

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Apr 22, 2019 13:47:10   #
Rose42
 
grace scott wrote:
I glanced at this article. Mueller's report said that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction of justice, he would have said so. He did not say so.

You should take great pleasure in the Democrats problem: If they v**e to impeach, it dies in the senate. If they do not v**e to impeach, they condone his behavior.


The democrats will do what is politically expedient. Thats how it works with both. If they see v****g to impeach will have an adverse effect on their party they won't do it.

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Apr 22, 2019 16:14:42   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
The democrats will do what is politically expedient. Thats how it works with both. If they see v****g to impeach will have an adverse effect on their party they won't do it.


All that crap they did regarding Kavanaugh was certainly not politically expedient but they couldn't help themselves. They are relentless but not very smart. I look for them to impeach or have a big internal fight over it.

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Apr 22, 2019 16:17:56   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
All that crap they did regarding Kavanaugh was certainly not politically expedient but they couldn't help themselves. They are relentless but not very smart. I look for them to impeach or have a big internal fight over it.


I think we should just let them go. They are burying themselves.

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Apr 22, 2019 17:31:59   #
Rose42
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
All that crap they did regarding Kavanaugh was certainly not politically expedient but they couldn't help themselves. They are relentless but not very smart. I look for them to impeach or have a big internal fight over it.


What it did do was show the seedy side of the feminist movement where a woman is to be believed no matter what. They encouraged that. They also reinforced the idea of guilty until proven innocent when it comes to sexual misconduct accusations and wanted that planted in people's heads.

I think they knew exactly what they were doing.

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Apr 22, 2019 20:14:10   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
What it did do was show the seedy side of the feminist movement where a woman is to be believed no matter what. They encouraged that. They also reinforced the idea of guilty until proven innocent when it comes to sexual misconduct accusations and wanted that planted in people's heads.

I think they knew exactly what they were doing.


You and debeda are exactly right!

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