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Apr 16, 2019 09:38:49   #
Rose42
 
Sew_What wrote:
How would you know?


Been there, done that and done it in a bad way. Happens to us all at one time or another in our lives.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:51:54   #
bahmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh, oh, I smell the stink of apostasy. Old Lucifer works diligently to snag the faithful, cast doubt into their hearts, throw clouds of uncertainty into their thoughts, force them to question their faith. Once that happens, the doubts and uncertainties feed on themselves, they grow stronger as time passes and soon another child of God turns away from Him. The Prince of Darkness is mightily pleased when one of them passes judgement on God.


Amen and Amen

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Apr 16, 2019 09:55:38   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
The position you espouse is not enviable, JW, nor is it realistic.

May I assume you are writing on your modern technological wonder known as a computer in relative comfort in a location of your choice?

May I also assume you are at least moderately well clothed and well fed?

As you do not reference the Bible, nor do you quote one Scripture, may I inquire as to your frame of reference at either the Catholic or Baptist church... Surely, you did not learn about the God you reject solely by word of mouth or your own subjective, i.e., personal experience?

Personally, I find the refrain of "It's all God's fault." to be a cop-out, as you assume no responsibility whatsoever for your inability to find any beauty, joy or satisfaction in anything under the sun.

In this still free country, where you are able to find a Bible in almost any bookstore, or one free at the Salvation Army, if at sometime during your tedious existence, you had availed yourself of the Word of God, and read the book, beginning with Genesis, you might be better positioned to condemn God wholesale, for "His Creation, His initial plan for humanity, man's r*******n. God's subsequent plan for our redemption, His prophetic unveiling of the conditions we may expect in the future, and what the final outcome will be have all been made clear.

God has spelled it all out, with few surprises. He has also given us options. We were not created to be puppets. We have choices to make in life, of which some will be beneficial to us, others not so much.

I see that it is only the rest of mankind who are to keep their "personal belief's private," while you exercise your freedom to post yours here on the internet where, theoretically, the entire world can view them.

This "standard of open-mindedness" you believe you are displaying and which you demand of the rest of us requires further clarification

It is precisely a matter of personal conviction that leads to any degree of belief, i.e. reaching
a conclusion in any matter.

The "mere difference in point of view, or of information possessed, or of t***sient uncertainties" you list as
alternatives to conviction in reaching conclusions are variables dealt with every day in every individual's life.

Our point of view on a matter, for instance, our world view, adjusts to any input of new information, and is temporarily suspended only until we acquire answers that resolve our "t***sient uncertainties."

As the only reality you name in your past life is Christianity, you might examine the fact that there are millions of Christians in the United States, and it is possible their members possess an understanding you have lost, as their loyalty would presumably be short lived were they not being mentally, emotionally and/or spiritually rewarded.

My own profound faith in the Triune Creator God of Israel, God the Father, God the Son - Jesus Christ, and God, the Holy Spirit has never been shaken, for throughout a lifetime that has never been easy, God has never forsaken me.

"Now without faith it is impossible to please God, since the one who draws near to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who seek Him." (Hebrews 11:6)

This does not mean God will allow you to win the Lottery, or provide you a chauffeured Limousine, but
he will listen. He is God. We are not. God is not running a democracy.

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it."(Isaiah 1:18-20)

Being sincere availeth a man little, if sincerely wrong.

You can continue to rail against God, or you can make your peace with Him though Jesus Christ, our advocate with God the Father.
The position you espouse is not enviable, JW, nor ... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Apr 16, 2019 10:24:25   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Divine t***h wrote:
The word "God" isn't accurate or proper Character of the Almighty, or Most High, whom I chose to identify as Allah's. Arm leg, leg arm and head (Allah).

As opposed to "GOD" the reversal of the word is Dog.

Notice and examine the sexual culture practices of the homosexual cult community, its the dog position, respectfully.

Not a "God" paradox, a reality that's you and others don't have the common sense, intelligence and is spiritually death, dumb and blind parodox.

Yahweh is also more acceptable and accurate when speaking of the Creator's of life, the sun, moon, stars and heaven above.
The word "God" isn't accurate or proper ... (show quote)


Lol! God is only dog when backwards in the English language.

And no matter what you call him/her/it, the paradox remains.

Don't go criticizing me when you have yet heard what I have to say.

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Apr 16, 2019 10:41:46   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh, oh, I smell the stink of apostasy. Old Lucifer works diligently to snag the faithful, cast doubt into their hearts, throw clouds of uncertainty into their thoughts, force them to question their faith. Once that happens, the doubts and uncertainties feed on themselves, they grow stronger as time passes and soon another child of God turns away from Him. The Prince of Darkness is mightily pleased when one of them passes judgement on God.


Damn. I don't mean to encourage any of it with my "thoughtful judgemental consideration."

But, i suspect it is not a "devil", nor even inappropriate doubts that trouble you, but rather a nascent rationality and common sense which you seem bent on nipping in the bud at all costs!

"Apostasy" just means some people are innapropriately pissed that you have figured out their foolishness and they have crafted that special mean name to threaten to call you by to pull you back in line.

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Apr 16, 2019 10:46:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
Damn. I don't mean to encourage any of it with my "thoughtful judgemental consideration."

But, i suspect it is not a "devil", nor even inappropriate doubts that trouble you, but rather a nascent rationality and common sense which you seem bent on nipping in the bud at all costs!

"Apostasy" just means some people are innapropriately pissed that you have figured out their foolishness and they have crafted that special mean name to threaten to call you by to pull you back in line.
Damn. I don't mean to encourage any of it with my ... (show quote)


Interestingly reasoned... Well-stated...

(FYI...This is one of those fascinating views I enjoy so much... )

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Apr 16, 2019 10:57:17   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Interestingly reasoned... Well-stated...

(FYI...This is one of those fascinating views I enjoy so much... )


Yes, Singular is a voice of intelligence if not reason, at times. LOL! Kidding Singy!

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Apr 16, 2019 10:58:08   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Yes, Singular is a voice of intelligence if not reason, at times. LOL! Kidding Singy!


I like her too

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Apr 16, 2019 10:59:45   #
Singularity
 
Sew_What wrote:
Why does God need defending? Because he is powerless?


Since any god's existence is not any way in evidence, it must be conjured. Then its physical absence must be defended against this most rational observation. This thread will reveal a plethora of methods of such a defense.

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Apr 16, 2019 11:02:28   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Sew says What.

What the Bible means to you personally is absolutely meaningless to a third of the world's population.


and much of the USA.

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Apr 16, 2019 11:12:13   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
Since any god's existence is not any way in evidence, it must be conjured. Then its physical absence must be defended against this most rational observation. This thread will reveal a plethora of methods of such a defense.


Its rational to believe in nothing?

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Apr 16, 2019 11:19:54   #
Singularity
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Yes, Singular is a voice of intelligence if not reason, at times. LOL! Kidding Singy!

I think you might really believe that.

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Apr 16, 2019 11:26:10   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
Its rational to believe in nothing?

Define "believe in?" I find it usually means something irrrational to most who use it. Faith is gullibility. It is not in any way a pathway for defining t***h. Quite the opposite, since by definition it requires accepting a proposition as t***h when one knows that rational empirical evidence is lacking .

Is there a quantity of this "nothing" you refer to that you can demonstrate to exist somewhere at some time?

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Apr 16, 2019 11:28:45   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
Define "believe in?" I find it usually means something irrrational to most who use it. Faith is gullibility. It is not in any way a pathway for defining t***h. Quite the opposite, since by definition it requires accepting a proposition as t***h when one knows that rational empirical evidence is lacking .

Is there a quantity of this "nothing" you refer to that you can demonstrate to exist somewhere at some time?


That is your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. You know perfectly well what I mean by "believe in". You're not stupid.

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Apr 16, 2019 11:33:32   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
JW wrote:
What I enquire into occurred long before Adam.


What you have to decide is are we an ant farm, a computer simulation, or are we made in the image of God and are His children. Also, is God love or h**e. Each person has to decide what they believe.

Are you an ant living in an ant farm and when you've built your tunnels and nest, does God take delight in shaking it all up so you have to start over again?

Are you a computer simulation and are we living in a hologram? It's all make believe except for the pain and the love.

Are we God's children created in His image? It doesn't say angels were created in His image. Some of those guys are freaky and have four faces, wings, shine, and can shapeshift. You should know there is a spiritual unseen war going on in the heavens. There is also a real war being waged on Earth for the souls of mankind.

You have a limited amount of power you can access if you're obedient to God. You also have a limited amount of power if you are obedient to Lucifer. God promises that one day He will wipe away every tear and you will agree with how and why He did things the way He did. As a bonus for trusting Him, you get to see Him face to face and abide with Him forever. God makes eternal promises.

Lucifer can give you temporary powers that have an expiration date because he has already been judged and he is bound for the pit.

I don't know why the game is scheduled to last six thousand years plus a one thousand year millennium reign. But God does love that number seven for some reason. Maybe because that was the day He got to rest and everything was perfect for a little while.

Doubt all you want, but blame the bad stuff on Lucifer and give God credit for the good stuff. Your job whether you want it or not is to trust and obey. Do you want or need some joy? Help others without expecting anything in return.

We have only discovered one blue marble in the universe we can observe. We are the only game there is.
Eventually, this Earth will perish. By wars, pestilence, comet, or fire. If we're not living in a new heaven and a new Earth we are toast and you will never see your loved ones again much less Jesus or God. If God is real and can be trusted you don't want to be here after the rapture. Your choice. I believe there is only one safe space and that's in the loving arms of my creator and His begotten son, not Lucifer.

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