lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Struggle and learn more each time the struggle manifests...

Temptation perhaps or as I refer to it, challenge and opportunity to go in search~~ often very rewarding~~

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Agreed. It is my spiritual search that keeps me young. When earthly woes seem to be log jammed, relying of the search for greater meaning can keep one going...and optimistic.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Absolutely working .. The constant need for clarity and in the end a better awareness of your Spiritual well-being ... Reinforcement, if you will..

Sew_What

...I think that this opens the debate with respect...and trying to lay down the playing field: good job.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Divine truth

Yes indeed, and the firm believers must step up and boldly defend the Lord, and stand with Him in this battle. Dam "good job" is accurate and spiritually beautifully stated. i am a living witness and got clear evidences and testimony of the omniscient presence!!

Sew_What

Why does God need defending? Because he is powerless?

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Nothing to do with it, and it's been revealed why, in the Qur'an, which is not appropriate for me to discuss OPP until I get confirmation from Ilham Omar but that might not be forthcoming because she thinks like you about the top of the universe which I maintain is really the bottom, otherwise why is she in politics ?. But your right if you weren't why would I need confirmation from Ilham Omar.

It's a difficult question you ask, I will pass it on to JW at this point.
But I had second thoughts after I passed this question on, so what I did was, I felt inclined to further my knowledge about this upside down stuff and went seeking direction, what I found was, I had been asked to answer a question on Quora I'm Terry Loder on Quora, the question is as follows.

*"If you were talking over Satan's job in hell as CEO, what would you do to make hell more miserable ?".

Check it out there are 25 good answers mine is only 5 paragraphs.

Sew_What

What well documented source is that?

bylm1-Bernie

Sorry, I should have re-read my post before I pushed send. I meant to say that there is no known source that documents the conclusion that there is a power other than God who might be responsible for what we see around us. The Bible says that there is evidence each day that gives testimony to a Creator God.

Sew_What

The bible isn't any more than a piece of contrarian garbage.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Ah, yes, dear old Janis.

Allow me to repost from another thread.

There are religions based entirely on superstitions, there are religions that involve some elements of superstition, there are religions based on idolatry and false gods, there are religions based on demons and devil worship, there are religions based on multiple deities, and there are religions based on self-aggrandizement (these have a tendency to deify or exalt themselves), but the world's 3 monotheistic religions are not among them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all soundly condemn superstition, idolatry, the worship of false gods, and self-exaltation.

Based on research in 230 countries, 84% of the world's population are religious to some degree or other. Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group. A third of these are Christians, a quarter are Muslims.

Creation is only unfathomable to those unwilling to accept the scientific hypothesis that wh**ever exists must have a cause, that something cannot come from nothing. Secular or non-religious scientists have attempted to skirt this issue with some rather extraordinary and far-fetched explanations, they have made some quite astounding claims, like Steven Hawkings saying the universe created itself from nothing.

Religious scientists are searching for answers, and so far their progress is promising. In the early 1900s, American astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that what was once thought to be nebula (clouds of gas and dust) were actually galaxies of stars remote from our Milky Way, and he observed the Doppler Red Shift in distant galaxies, he determined that objects in space were receding away from each other, and that they were receding from a single point in time and space. Hubble played a crucial role in establishing the fields of extragalactic astronomy and observational cosmology and is regarded as one of the most important astronomers of all time, Hubble's findings fundamentally changed the scientific view of the universe. His discoveries slammed the lid on existing theories and hypotheses and opened a massive door to an entirely new field for research and discovery. It was a brand new day for cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers, and others in associated fields.

Scientists were then facing the fundamental question: If the universe emerged and expanded from a single point in space and time, what caused this? The Universal Law of Cause and Effect (causation) is immutable, it basically states that wherever there is a material effect, there must be an adequate cause and that no effect can be greater than its cause. The law of causation is applicable at all times to all causes and effects, including those that occur in life--all life. Natural and scientific laws are always dealing with causes and effects.

Since it is obvious that the universe is not eternal, and since it also is obvious that the universe could not have created itself, the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something. IOW, if the universe exists, which it does, it had a precedent cause. If before time and space nothing existed, then no natural or scientific laws existed. If no natural or scientific laws existed, what then could have caused the universe to exist? Tough questions. Scientists and theologians have, are still, and will continue to struggle with them. For atheists, these questions are a conundrum simply because they refuse to accept a cause for the existence of the universe and life itself. Especially if that cause goes by a specific name or title. Paradoxically, in denying an extrinsic cause, atheists have no basis for explaining their existence. The idea that something greater than themselves caused them to exist is offensive to them.

However, there are fundamental elements in the belief in God, or Creator, to which no natural or scientific laws apply, and these are in the realm of experience.

There are atheists, there are agnostics, and there are apostates, most of whom live their lives in relative harmony with their fellow believers, yet there are some among them who are activists. Wh**ever their ungodly reasons may be for doing so, they attack, vilify, and condemn those of us who believe. Christianity and Christians are their primary targets.

Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear that those of the world will h**e Christians because the world h**es Christ. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world, which is why the world engages in Christian persecution (see John 15:18–19). Christians are influenced by different principles from those of the world. We are motivated by the love of God and His holiness, while the world is driven by the love of sin. It is our very separation from the world that arouses the world’s animosity (1 Peter 4:3–4).

Creation is no myth and belief in something greater than ourselves is not superstition.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

It's hard to imagine what we'd be without the bible from a scientific point of view because science was never a contradiction of idealism for science to be a contradiction of consciousness making things up which we perceive and feel the Higgs Boson would have to have parents, - now exactly who would that be I wonder hummm_-×-_source = ?

Certainly not the Alien it wasn't in his nature to have sex, and isn't that why Space ditched him that's what my GF said just before she vanished, blame the moderator not the bible.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Sew says What.

What the Bible means to you personally is absolutely meaningless to a third of the world's population.

bylm1-Bernie

Many different writers over a thousand years! Of course, I'm sure you're more of an expert on this than anyone so maybe you can give us some insight as to what the real t***h is! I'm sure it won't be contrarian garbage either. Or will it?