God Help Us: Atheism Becomes Largest Religion in U.S (Page 4): Who requires it? And why? Not all Atheists agree with it.... And plenty of Christians do agree with it.... :sm06: :sm06:...

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Rose42 wrote:

And instead they believe a 'big bang' theory which requires an even bigger leap of faith.

Who requires it?

And why?

Not all Atheists agree with it....

And plenty of Christians do agree with it....

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moldyoldy wrote:

If the book is true, why were certain books removed by different sects? They did not like all the books of the good book. By the way, what about Lillith?

Poor Lillith

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Singularity wrote:

Deported them to a s**thole country, built a wall around the good stuff, installed monsters guarding the gates with an extradimensional sword.

That's my God

Richard94611

If the number of atheists is increasing, we're making progress.

PeterS wrote:

Having no religion doesn't mean you are an atheist... (show quote)

Singularity

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

That's my God

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

An Aryan James Bond with wings...

Where do I sign up and when do I get my coolaid?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Kevyn wrote:

No, you can thank an increase in our understanding of the earth and universe at all levels for causing lots of people to question un fathomable creation myths. It is simply a matter of knowledge overcoming superstition.

There are religions based entirely on superstitions, there are religions that involve some elements of superstition, there are religions based on idolatry and false gods, there are religions based on demons and devil worship, there are religions based on multiple deities, and there are religions based on self-aggrandizement (these have a tendency to deify or exalt themselves), but the world's 3 monotheistic religions are not among them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all soundly condemn superstition, idolatry, the worship of false gods, and self-exaltation.

Based on research in 230 countries, 84% of the world's population are religious to some degree or other. Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group. A third of these are Christians, a quarter are Muslims.

Creation is only unfathomable to those unwilling to accept the scientific hypothesis that wh**ever exists must have a cause, that something cannot come from nothing. Secular or non-religious scientists have attempted to skirt this issue with some rather extraordinary and far-fetched explanations, they have made some quite astounding claims, like Steven Hawkings saying the universe created itself from nothing.

Religious scientists are searching for answers, and so far their progress is promising. In the early 1900s, American astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that what was once thought to be nebula (clouds of gas and dust) were actually galaxies of stars remote from our Milky Way, and he observed the Doppler Red Shift in distant galaxies, he determined that objects in space were receding away from each other, and that they were receding from a single point in time and space. Hubble played a crucial role in establishing the fields of extragalactic astronomy and observational cosmology and is regarded as one of the most important astronomers of all time, Hubble's findings fundamentally changed the scientific view of the universe. His discoveries slammed the lid on existing theories and hypotheses and opened a massive door to an entirely new field for research and discovery. It was a brand new day for cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers, and others in associated fields.

Scientists were then facing the fundamental question: If the universe emerged and expanded from a single point in space and time, what caused this? The Universal Law of Cause and Effect (causation) is immutable, it basically states that wherever there is a material effect, there must be an adequate cause and that no effect can be greater than its cause. The law of causation is applicable at all times to all causes and effects, including those that occur in life--all life. Natural and scientific laws are always dealing with causes and effects.

Since it is obvious that the universe is not eternal, and since it also is obvious that the universe could not have created itself, the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something. IOW, if the universe exists, which it does, it had a precedent cause. If before time and space nothing existed, then no natural or scientific laws existed. If no natural or scientific laws existed, what then could have caused the universe to exist? Tough questions. Scientists and theologians have, are still, and will continue to struggle with them. For atheists, these questions are a conundrum simply because they refuse to accept a cause for the existence of the universe and life itself. Especially if that cause goes by a specific name or title. Paradoxically, in denying an extrinsic cause, atheists have no basis for explaining their existence. The idea that something greater than themselves caused them to exist is offensive to them.

However, there are fundamental elements in the belief in God, or Creator, to which no natural or scientific laws apply, and these are in the realm of experience.

There are atheists, there are agnostics, and there are apostates, most of whom live their lives in relative harmony with their fellow believers, yet there are some among them who are activists. Wh**ever their ungodly reasons may be for doing so, they attack, vilify, and condemn those of us who believe. Christianity and Christians are their primary targets.

Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear that those of the world will h**e Christians because the world h**es Christ. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world, which is why the world engages in Christian persecution (see John 15:18–19). Christians are influenced by different principles from those of the world. We are motivated by the love of God and His holiness, while the world is driven by the love of sin. It is our very separation from the world that arouses the world’s animosity (1 Peter 4:3–4).

Creation is no myth and belief in something greater than ourselves is not superstition.

Singularity

Blade_Runner wrote:

There are religions based entirely on superstitions, there are religions that involve some elements of superstition, there are religions based on idolatry and false gods, there are religions based on demons and devil worship, there are religions based on multiple deities, and there are religions based on self-aggrandizement (these have a tendency to deify or exalt themselves), but the world's 3 monotheistic religions are not among them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all soundly condemn superstition, idolatry, the worship of false gods, and self-exaltation.

Based on research in 230 countries, 84% of the world's population are religious to some degree or other. Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group. A third of these are Christians, a quarter are Muslims.

Creation is only unfathomable to those unwilling to accept the scientific hypothesis that wh**ever exists must have a cause, that something cannot come from nothing. Secular or non-religious scientists have attempted to skirt this issue with some rather extraordinary and far-fetched explanations, they have made some quite astounding claims, like Steven Hawkings saying the universe created itself from nothing.

Religious scientists are searching for answers, and so far their progress is promising. In the early 1900s, American astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that what was once thought to be nebula (clouds of gas and dust) were actually galaxies of stars remote from our Milky Way, and he observed the Doppler Red Shift in distant galaxies, he determined that objects in space were receding away from each other, and that they were receding from a single point in time and space. Hubble played a crucial role in establishing the fields of extragalactic astronomy and observational cosmology and is regarded as one of the most important astronomers of all time, Hubble's findings fundamentally changed the scientific view of the universe. His discoveries slammed the lid on existing theories and hypotheses and opened a massive door to an entirely new field for research and discovery. It was a brand new day for cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers, and others in associated fields.

Scientists were then facing the fundamental question: If the universe emerged and expanded from a single point in space and time, what caused this? The Universal Law of Cause and Effect (causation) is immutable, it basically states that wherever there is a material effect, there must be an adequate cause and that no effect can be greater than its cause. The law of causation is applicable at all times to all causes and effects, including those that occur in life--all life. Natural and scientific laws are always dealing with causes and effects.

Since it is obvious that the universe is not eternal, and since it also is obvious that the universe could not have created itself, the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something. IOW, if the universe exists, which it does, it had a precedent cause. If before time and space nothing existed, then no natural or scientific laws existed. If no natural or scientific laws existed, what then could have caused the universe to exist? Tough questions. Scientists and theologians have, are still, and will continue to struggle with them. For atheists, these questions are a conundrum simply because they refuse to accept a cause for the existence of the universe and life itself. Especially if that cause goes by a specific name or title. Paradoxically, in denying an extrinsic cause, atheists have no basis for explaining their existence. The idea that something greater than themselves caused them to exist is offensive to them.

However, there are fundamental elements in the belief in God, or Creator, to which no natural or scientific laws apply, and these are in the realm of experience.

There are atheists, there are agnostics, and there are apostates, most of whom live their lives in relative harmony with their fellow believers, yet there are some among them who are activists. Wh**ever their ungodly reasons may be for doing so, they attack, vilify, and condemn those of us who believe. Christianity and Christians are their primary targets.

Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear that those of the world will h**e Christians because the world h**es Christ. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world, which is why the world engages in Christian persecution (see John 15:18–19). Christians are influenced by different principles from those of the world. We are motivated by the love of God and His holiness, while the world is driven by the love of sin. It is our very separation from the world that arouses the world’s animosity (1 Peter 4:3–4).

Creation is no myth and belief in something greater than ourselves is not superstition.

There are religions based entirely on superstition... (show quote)

The Abrahamic religions are blood guilt cults that celebrate human sacrifice, albeit in its present watered down version of perverted justice in the form of vicarious redemption, it is fast becoming mostly symbolic and generally anemic. Not healthy for a blood cult! But male g*****l m********n, subjugation of women, s***ery, genocide and the celebration of ignorance do not form the basis of a sustainable human culture. No wonder so many more people of good sense are rejecting the silliness.

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Singularity wrote:

The Abrahamic religions are blood guilt cults that celebrate human sacrifice, albeit in its present watered down version of perverted justice in the form of vicarious redemption, it is fast becoming mostly symbolic and generally anemic. Not healthy for a blood cult! But male g*****l m********n, subjugation of women, s***ery, genocide and the celebration of ignorance do not form the basis of a sustainable human culture. No wonder so many more people of good sense are rejecting the silliness.

Your condemnations of religion are personal and foolishly biased.

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Blade_Runner wrote:

Your condemnations of religion are personal and foolishly biased.

Pot and Kettle

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Pot and Kettle

Is this your idea of a substantive response? That cliche is used often around here.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Blade_Runner wrote:

Is this your idea of a substantive response? That cliche is used often around here.

Very true...

I agree with the majority of your post...

Yet am somewhat surprised you feel so strongly considering your hatred for Islam...
(I will asdmit that you seem more capable of defending your stance against Islam than most of the posters here...)

Richard94611

Blade-Runner, your post consists of glib, erudite nonsense, filled with assumptions that have no justification. With you, that's par for the course. Do you still think that g****l w*****g is a f**e emergency created by people who want to get grants to research it ? Don't look now, but your ignorance is showing.

Blade_Runner wrote:

There are religions based entirely on superstitions, there are religions that involve some elements of superstition, there are religions based on idolatry and false gods, there are religions based on demons and devil worship, there are religions based on multiple deities, and there are religions based on self-aggrandizement (these have a tendency to deify or exalt themselves), but the world's 3 monotheistic religions are not among them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all soundly condemn superstition, idolatry, the worship of false gods, and self-exaltation.

Based on research in 230 countries, 84% of the world's population are religious to some degree or other. Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group. A third of these are Christians, a quarter are Muslims.

Creation is only unfathomable to those unwilling to accept the scientific hypothesis that wh**ever exists must have a cause, that something cannot come from nothing. Secular or non-religious scientists have attempted to skirt this issue with some rather extraordinary and far-fetched explanations, they have made some quite astounding claims, like Steven Hawkings saying the universe created itself from nothing.

Religious scientists are searching for answers, and so far their progress is promising. In the early 1900s, American astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that what was once thought to be nebula (clouds of gas and dust) were actually galaxies of stars remote from our Milky Way, and he observed the Doppler Red Shift in distant galaxies, he determined that objects in space were receding away from each other, and that they were receding from a single point in time and space. Hubble played a crucial role in establishing the fields of extragalactic astronomy and observational cosmology and is regarded as one of the most important astronomers of all time, Hubble's findings fundamentally changed the scientific view of the universe. His discoveries slammed the lid on existing theories and hypotheses and opened a massive door to an entirely new field for research and discovery. It was a brand new day for cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers, and others in associated fields.

Scientists were then facing the fundamental question: If the universe emerged and expanded from a single point in space and time, what caused this? The Universal Law of Cause and Effect (causation) is immutable, it basically states that wherever there is a material effect, there must be an adequate cause and that no effect can be greater than its cause. The law of causation is applicable at all times to all causes and effects, including those that occur in life--all life. Natural and scientific laws are always dealing with causes and effects.

Since it is obvious that the universe is not eternal, and since it also is obvious that the universe could not have created itself, the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something. IOW, if the universe exists, which it does, it had a precedent cause. If before time and space nothing existed, then no natural or scientific laws existed. If no natural or scientific laws existed, what then could have caused the universe to exist? Tough questions. Scientists and theologians have, are still, and will continue to struggle with them. For atheists, these questions are a conundrum simply because they refuse to accept a cause for the existence of the universe and life itself. Especially if that cause goes by a specific name or title. Paradoxically, in denying an extrinsic cause, atheists have no basis for explaining their existence. The idea that something greater than themselves caused them to exist is offensive to them.

However, there are fundamental elements in the belief in God, or Creator, to which no natural or scientific laws apply, and these are in the realm of experience.

There are atheists, there are agnostics, and there are apostates, most of whom live their lives in relative harmony with their fellow believers, yet there are some among them who are activists. Wh**ever their ungodly reasons may be for doing so, they attack, vilify, and condemn those of us who believe.

Christianity and Christians are their primary targets.

Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear that those of the world will h**e Christians because the world h**es Christ. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world, which is why the world engages in Christian persecution (see John 15:18–19). Christians are influenced by different principles from those of the world. We are motivated by the love of God and His holiness, while the world is driven by the love of sin. It is our very separation from the world that arouses the world’s animosity (1 Peter 4:3–4).

Creation is no myth and belief in something greater than ourselves is not superstition.

There are religions based entirely on superstition... (show quote)

Rose42

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Pot and Kettle

No. T***h.

Rose42

Blade_Runner wrote:

There are religions based entirely on superstitions, there are religions that involve some elements of superstition, there are religions based on idolatry and false gods, there are religions based on demons and devil worship, there are religions based on multiple deities, and there are religions based on self-aggrandizement (these have a tendency to deify or exalt themselves), but the world's 3 monotheistic religions are not among them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all soundly condemn superstition, idolatry, the worship of false gods, and self-exaltation.

Based on research in 230 countries, 84% of the world's population are religious to some degree or other. Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group. A third of these are Christians, a quarter are Muslims.

Creation is only unfathomable to those unwilling to accept the scientific hypothesis that wh**ever exists must have a cause, that something cannot come from nothing. Secular or non-religious scientists have attempted to skirt this issue with some rather extraordinary and far-fetched explanations, they have made some quite astounding claims, like Steven Hawkings saying the universe created itself from nothing.

Religious scientists are searching for answers, and so far their progress is promising. In the early 1900s, American astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that what was once thought to be nebula (clouds of gas and dust) were actually galaxies of stars remote from our Milky Way, and he observed the Doppler Red Shift in distant galaxies, he determined that objects in space were receding away from each other, and that they were receding from a single point in time and space. Hubble played a crucial role in establishing the fields of extragalactic astronomy and observational cosmology and is regarded as one of the most important astronomers of all time, Hubble's findings fundamentally changed the scientific view of the universe. His discoveries slammed the lid on existing theories and hypotheses and opened a massive door to an entirely new field for research and discovery. It was a brand new day for cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers, and others in associated fields.

Scientists were then facing the fundamental question: If the universe emerged and expanded from a single point in space and time, what caused this? The Universal Law of Cause and Effect (causation) is immutable, it basically states that wherever there is a material effect, there must be an adequate cause and that no effect can be greater than its cause. The law of causation is applicable at all times to all causes and effects, including those that occur in life--all life. Natural and scientific laws are always dealing with causes and effects.

Since it is obvious that the universe is not eternal, and since it also is obvious that the universe could not have created itself, the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something. IOW, if the universe exists, which it does, it had a precedent cause. If before time and space nothing existed, then no natural or scientific laws existed. If no natural or scientific laws existed, what then could have caused the universe to exist? Tough questions. Scientists and theologians have, are still, and will continue to struggle with them. For atheists, these questions are a conundrum simply because they refuse to accept a cause for the existence of the universe and life itself. Especially if that cause goes by a specific name or title. Paradoxically, in denying an extrinsic cause, atheists have no basis for explaining their existence. The idea that something greater than themselves caused them to exist is offensive to them.

However, there are fundamental elements in the belief in God, or Creator, to which no natural or scientific laws apply, and these are in the realm of experience.

There are atheists, there are agnostics, and there are apostates, most of whom live their lives in relative harmony with their fellow believers, yet there are some among them who are activists. Wh**ever their ungodly reasons may be for doing so, they attack, vilify, and condemn those of us who believe. Christianity and Christians are their primary targets.

Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear that those of the world will h**e Christians because the world h**es Christ. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world, which is why the world engages in Christian persecution (see John 15:18–19). Christians are influenced by different principles from those of the world. We are motivated by the love of God and His holiness, while the world is driven by the love of sin. It is our very separation from the world that arouses the world’s animosity (1 Peter 4:3–4).

Creation is no myth and belief in something greater than ourselves is not superstition.

There are religions based entirely on superstition... (show quote)

Good post except for one error. Islam does indeed worship a false god. It is a path to destruction.