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Apr 14, 2019 12:08:33   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
Whew I managed to dodge yet another bullet.



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Apr 14, 2019 13:04:55   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
slatten49 wrote:
The country, yes. Though, frankly speaking, I feel neither divided nor conquered.

How 'bout yourself

Nope, I'm still all in one piece, for now anyway. Of course you realize, that's not what I meant, right?

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Apr 14, 2019 13:48:41   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
slatten49 wrote:
From The Inquistor; February 16, 2017

By John Butler

Now more than ever, being a political moderate is extremely challenging for those who do not agree wholeheartedly with either of the two major political parties’ ideologies.

The polarizing nature of the most recent p**********l nomination campaign, p**********l e******n, and subsequent activity by the current administration have pitted friends and family alike against each other, forcing people to choose a side. While the Republican/Democrat rivalry has existed for well over a century, tensions between supporters of the two sides have rarely been so intense during the last 30 years, even including the Monica Lewinsky scandal during Bill Clinton’s tenure as president.

The definition that comes up on Google is “In politics and religion, a moderate is an individual who is not extreme, partisan, nor radical. In recent years, the term political moderates has gained traction as a buzzword. The existence of the ideal moderate is disputed because of a lack of a moderate political ideology.”

Essentially, a true political moderate is someone who does not hold to a party line, who may disagree with aspects of the GOP while supporting other agendas. The moderate may agree with portions of the Democratic party’s purposes while opposing others.

As most of us are well aware, the intensity of the recent e******n and the actions of the current administration have raised tensions on virtually all major matters to unseen heights. Social media users unfriend people for their political views now more than ever. Twitter, that bastion of Trump interaction, buzzes constantly, with more and more bans coming every day due to the vehemence of people on both sides of issues.

The concept of us versus them, Red or Blue, and that only one side is correct are all partly at fault for the challenges political moderates face. If I, who has many conservative Republican family members, were to say something in support of Obamacare, I would likely receive backlash from those comments. On the other hand, were I to come out on social media in support of Donald Trump’s immigration freeze, I would likely have many of my liberal friends comment angrily or unfriend me.

As such, political moderates who voice opinions tend to lose out either way. The current political climate is decidedly unfriendly towards anyone who has not picked a side in the ongoing debates. Even criticizing a clear blunder by one party or another will bring the wrath of half of America down on a someone’s head.
From The Inquistor; February 16, 2017 br br By Jo... (show quote)


By definition, if you have aligned with a party than you are essentially "partisan". The extent to which one may be partisan is the defining factor when determining whether they are moderately partisan or just plain partisan. I have noticed that any Republican that appears to be a moderate Republican lately is typically being called a "rino". It would seem that if you do not toe the Republican line on every issue, you are not a true Republican. There doesn't seem to be much loyalty on that side of politics, you either support every portion of the Republican agenda or you aren't a true Republican. I haven't noticed any Democrat being called a "dino" as yet but only time will tell if that term becomes a thing or not.

I agree that we should be striving for moderation. Moderation is an excellent goal that we should ALL strive for. There is a reason why I do not align myself with any one party, no party in my opinion has ALL the answers, no one party aligns with me on EVERY issue. There are some issues where I can agree with Democrats, there are others where I can't, same goes for the Republican party as well, though lately there has been far too much extremism in the Republican party so I tend to pull further from them lately.

Balance is key, the Republican party tends to favor business over individual. While we need business for prosperity, we can't ignore individual or we end up with miserable citizens. The Democratic party tends to favor individuals over business. While looking after the safety and security of the individual is a good thing, you don't want to do that to the undue burdening of the businesses or they are likely to send their jobs elsewhere where they have more freedom to conduct business they way they want to. We MUST strive for the happy medium between the two ideologies, something that some to most do not seem willing to do. To far too many now days, it is black or white, there is no middle ground, gray does not seem to exist for them. While I personally think gray is an ugly color, I am all for gray where as it comes to politics, that is the area in which we should try to remain politically speaking.

You have brought forth an excellent topic for discussion Slats, I hope it gains the attention it deserves, kudos to you.

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Apr 14, 2019 13:56:24   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
debeda wrote:
I agree with most of the article, EXCEPT the part that it began with the current administration. Many, many moderates felt this beginning in the Obama administration, when criticizing then-president Obama was tantamount to h**e speech, r****m and heresy. IMO. Those of you who supported Obama without restraint didn't feel it. But those of us who questioned some of his actions and policies sure did.


I didn't have the same experience as you during the Obama administration it would seem. I disagreed with some of what the Democrats and even Obama himself was pushing for and never felt I was being persecuted for my thoughts. I did have to defend my view points and those I was speaking to didn't always end up agreeing with me in the end but I don't think they ever considered me to be r****t or bigoted just because I disagreed. Perhaps it comes down to how we choose to disagree that causes others to consider us r****t or not consider us r****t.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:03:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
By definition, if you have aligned with a party than you are essentially "partisan". The extent to which one may be partisan is the defining factor when determining whether they are moderately partisan or just plain partisan. I have noticed that any Republican that appears to be a moderate Republican lately is typically being called a "rino". It would seem that if you do not toe the Republican line on every issue, you are not a true Republican. There doesn't seem to be much loyalty on that side of politics, you either support every portion of the Republican agenda or you aren't a true Republican. I haven't noticed any Democrat being called a "dino" as yet but only time will tell if that term becomes a thing or not.

I agree that we should be striving for moderation. Moderation is an excellent goal that we should ALL strive for. There is a reason why I do not align myself with any one party, no party in my opinion has ALL the answers, no one party aligns with me on EVERY issue. There are some issues where I can agree with Democrats, there are others where I can't, same goes for the Republican party as well, though lately there has been far too much extremism in the Republican party so I tend to pull further from them lately.

Balance is key, the Republican party tends to favor business over individual. While we need business for prosperity, we can't ignore individual or we end up with miserable citizens. The Democratic party tends to favor individuals over business. While looking after the safety and security of the individual is a good thing, you don't want to do that to the undue burdening of the businesses or they are likely to send their jobs elsewhere where they have more freedom to conduct business they way they want to. We MUST strive for the happy medium between the two ideologies, something that some to most do not seem willing to do. To far too many now days, it is black or white, there is no middle ground, gray does not seem to exist for them. While I personally think gray is an ugly color, I am all for gray where as it comes to politics, that is the area in which we should try to remain politically speaking.

You have brought forth an excellent topic for discussion Slats, I hope it gains the attention it deserves, kudos to you.
By definition, if you have aligned with a party th... (show quote)


Thank you, CSM. It seems we are in accord on much.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:19:21   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I didn't have the same experience as you during the Obama administration it would seem. I disagreed with some of what the Democrats and even Obama himself was pushing for and never felt I was being persecuted for my thoughts. I did have to defend my view points and those I was speaking to didn't always end up agreeing with me in the end but I don't think they ever considered me to be r****t or bigoted just because I disagreed. Perhaps it comes down to how we choose to disagree that causes others to consider us r****t or not consider us r****t.
I didn't have the same experience as you during th... (show quote)


On the news anyone disagreeing with Obama was excoriated, and all disagreements anyone had with him were written off as r****t. Didn't you notice? Hmmm... maybe not

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Apr 14, 2019 15:39:49   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
From The Inquistor; February 16, 2017

By John Butler

Now more than ever, being a political moderate is extremely challenging for those who do not agree wholeheartedly with either of the two major political parties’ ideologies.

The polarizing nature of the most recent p**********l nomination campaign, p**********l e******n, and subsequent activity by the current administration have pitted friends and family alike against each other, forcing people to choose a side. While the Republican/Democrat rivalry has existed for well over a century, tensions between supporters of the two sides have rarely been so intense during the last 30 years, even including the Monica Lewinsky scandal during Bill Clinton’s tenure as president.

The definition that comes up on Google is “In politics and religion, a moderate is an individual who is not extreme, partisan, nor radical. In recent years, the term political moderates has gained traction as a buzzword. The existence of the ideal moderate is disputed because of a lack of a moderate political ideology.”

Essentially, a true political moderate is someone who does not hold to a party line, who may disagree with aspects of the GOP while supporting other agendas. The moderate may agree with portions of the Democratic party’s purposes while opposing others.

As most of us are well aware, the intensity of the recent e******n and the actions of the current administration have raised tensions on virtually all major matters to unseen heights. Social media users unfriend people for their political views now more than ever. Twitter, that bastion of Trump interaction, buzzes constantly, with more and more bans coming every day due to the vehemence of people on both sides of issues.

The concept of us versus them, Red or Blue, and that only one side is correct are all partly at fault for the challenges political moderates face. If I, who has many conservative Republican family members, were to say something in support of Obamacare, I would likely receive backlash from those comments. On the other hand, were I to come out on social media in support of Donald Trump’s immigration freeze, I would likely have many of my liberal friends comment angrily or unfriend me.

As such, political moderates who voice opinions tend to lose out either way. The current political climate is decidedly unfriendly towards anyone who has not picked a side in the ongoing debates. Even criticizing a clear blunder by one party or another will bring the wrath of half of America down on a someone’s head.
From The Inquistor; February 16, 2017 br br By Jo... (show quote)


What do you think is the root cause of it all? What is driving people to become more polarized and partisan? Its one thing to talk about it but another to fix the root cause. I'm not denigrating the article - I agree with it mostly. I v**e for the individual never the party. Or I write someone in. lol

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Apr 14, 2019 15:40:27   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
debeda wrote:
On the news anyone disagreeing with Obama was excoriated, and all disagreements anyone had with him were written off as r****t. Didn't you notice? Hmmm... maybe not


Sorry, I don't do cable news.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:41:11   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Sorry, I don't do cable news.


Not just cable news. ALL news. The news agencies rhapsodized over Obama's every word and gesture.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:41:38   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thank you, CSM. It seems we are in accord on much.


You're welcome and I really appreciate your perspective.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:47:14   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
debeda wrote:
Not just cable news. ALL news.


I watched the news plenty, not on cable even though I have cable, and I am perceptive to slant and I am telling you, it wasn't there, not on the news I was watching/reading. That is not to say that some sources didn't demonize those that dissented, just that those were not and are not the sources I hold in ANY esteem. I don't do news that tells me what to think/feel, I do news that gives me the facts and lets me make up my own mind to think/feel the way I choose to think/feel.





Edit: As for the "rhapsodized over Obama's every word and gesture.", the news I watched ran the coverage of the various scandals during his term into the ground and reported on the speculations that Obama/Hillary were directly involved, but when they were exonerated, it also reported on that as well.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:51:07   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I watched the news plenty, not on cable even though I have cable, and I am perceptive to slant and I am telling you, it wasn't there, not on the news I was watching/reading. That is not to say that some sources didn't demonize those that dissented, just that those were not and are not the sources I hold in ANY esteem. I don't do news that tells me what to think/feel, I do news that gives me the facts and lets me make up my own mind to think/feel the way I choose to think/feel.


Hm. I remember distinctly all dissent being dismissed as "r****m against our first black president". It drove me crazy to hear that over and over and over again. Especially when so many people around me also disagreed with the policy. I think that's when I gave up on broadcast news entirely. Probably 2010 or 11.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:52:53   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
debeda wrote:
Hm. I remember distinctly all dissent being dismissed as "r****m against our first black president". It drove me crazy to hear that over and over and over again. Especially when so many people around me also disagreed with the policy. I think that's when I gave up on broadcast news entirely. Probably 2010 or 11.


Then you were watching/reading the wrong sources. Look for moderation in your news sources, they tend to be more factual in their reporting.

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Apr 14, 2019 15:54:22   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Then you were watching/reading the wrong sources. Look for moderation in your news sources, they tend to be more factual in their reporting.


Uh huh

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Apr 14, 2019 16:28:45   #
Rose42
 
debeda wrote:
Uh huh


Exactly. Sadly there's no such thing anymore. Some are just strident so its more easily noticeable.

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