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Apr 14, 2019 22:45:07   #
JoyV
 
Richard94611 wrote:
“There has been no warming for at least ten years” ? Year after year in the past decade the average temperature across the globe has broken records. The ice caps are definitely not coming back. They are steadily diminishing. You have serious problems with where you get your data.


Each year in my state the news reports record highs. Yet in the 90s we had highs of 130+ degrees with triple digit temps over nearly 3 months. Last summer's record high was 100 degrees and it hit that on 2 days out of the entire summer. Yet the news claimed it was a record heat!!!

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Apr 14, 2019 22:51:15   #
JoyV
 
Richard94611 wrote:
It is not possible to put this fire (g****l w*****g) out unless you know what is causing it.


Very true!

Not to mention the analogy is way off. Instead lets say you notice you are warmer than usual in your home. Do you panic and call the fire department first, or check if someone has turned up the heater?

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Apr 14, 2019 22:56:34   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Would you deny that the degree of c*****e c****e might be affected one way or another by differing degrees and types of human activity?


The real question is how much human activity influences the climate. There is no question that smog affects human health and that smog is a result of human activity. This is just one example of human activity having a negative influence on the environment. Climate is natural and it cannot be controlled but some negative influences on the environment and maybe climate can be controlled

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Apr 15, 2019 02:53:45   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
JoyV wrote:
The list I've seen of scientists consensus has only a fraction of climatologists on the list. Included are any science field and technology field including nurses, electricians and computer technicians. There is far less consensus among climatologists than is touted.


http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php
http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php
http://www.petitionproject.org/review_article.php

Most scientists have a detailed knowledge of their own narrow field of specialization, a general knowledge of fundamental science, an understanding of the scientific method, and a mental model that encompasses a broad range of scientific disciplines. This model serves as the basis of their thoughts about scientific questions.

When a scientist desires to refine his understanding of a specific scientific subject, he often begins by reading one or more review articles about that topic. As he reads, he compares the facts given in the review with his mental model of the subject, refining his model and updating it with current information. Review articles do not present new discoveries. The essential facts given in the review must be referenced to the peer-reviewed scientific research literature, so that the reader can check the assertions and conclusions of the article and obtain more detailed information about aspects that interest him.

A 12-page review article about the human-caused g****l w*****g hypothesis is circulated with the petition. To view the entire article in html, 150-dpi PDF, 300-dpi PDF, 600-dpi PDF, Spanish or figures alone in powerpoint or flash, click on the appropriate item in this sentence.

Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

The factual information cited in this article is referenced to the underlying research literature, in this case by 132 references listed at the end of the article. Although written primarily for scientists, most of this article can be understood without formal scientific training. This article was submitted to many scientists for comments and suggestions before it was finalized and submitted for publication. It then underwent ordinary peer review by the publishing journal.

The United Nations IPCC also publishes a research review in the form of a voluminous, occasionally-updated report on the subject of c*****e c****e, which the United Nations asserts is “authored” by approximately 600 scientists. These “authors” are not, however – as is ordinarily the custom in science – permitted power of approval the published review of which they are putative authors. They are permitted to comment on the draft text, but the final text neither conforms to nor includes many of their comments. The final text conforms instead to the United Nations objective of building support for world taxation and rationing of industrially-useful energy.

While this petition has been pooh-poohed by some, bear in mind the whole thing started with a UN sponsored study conducted by supposedly some 600 scientists picked and paid for by the UN.
I have not seen a similar list of scientists who are "climatologists" who support anthropogenic c*****e c****e. Perhaps you can provide one? Specific names and fields of study, please.

A synopsis of how other countries view this topic, and more importantly, what they are doing about it might be useful.
As an example, the US accounts for about 12% of the world's coal use, but produces only about 5% of the coal caused pollution. I wonder who produces the rest of the pollution and what they are doing about it?

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Apr 15, 2019 08:50:17   #
Kazudy
 
padremike wrote:
The old "they can dish it out but can't take it" trick huh? What a shame, I thoroughly enjoyed him. I hope it's not a permanent ban.


I have been banned 3 times already for a week each time. The last time some one called me a"dummy" my response was not a politically correct word so, but I belive Liberal's are allowed more latitude then the rest of us.

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Apr 15, 2019 08:56:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Richard94611 wrote:
One of the recurring themes c*****e c****e deniers such as Blade-Runner harp on is that c*****e c****e is "natural," it has happened before, and and because of these things it isn't serious -- or, to go one step further into Blade_Runner Fantasy Territory, it's a dastardly h**x designed to end Capitalism.

Yes, it has happened before. You might want to read the book "Nature's Mutiny" by Philipp Blom. This book describes an historic cooling of the earth that occurred during relatively recent history, the "Little Ice Age" of the seventeenth century. You deniers bring up this cooling as proof that modern c*****e c****e cannot be that serious because it has happened before. Blom's book accounts many of the societal changes the "Little Ice Age" caused. We're just at the beginning of seeing what the heating of the earth will do to human society, but what happened when the c*****e c****ed before gives us a foretaste.
One of the recurring themes c*****e c****e deniers... (show quote)


Thank You for the suggestion .. Read enough on the subject and see no matter what is brought up by believers or non believers our Respective minds are not going to change...

Evidence for and against it remains and always will. Our earth has done what it has done for millions of years, and our short time on this planet is hardly long enough to have created any alteration of what she does so naturally...

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Apr 15, 2019 09:04:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Any effect humans have on this change is negligible. There has been no warming for at least ten years. The ice caps are starting to come back. You can cherry pick data all you want.
You say that climatologists mostly agree on anthropogenic c*****e c****e; but for a long time, in spite of evidence to the contrary, most researchers agreed that tobacco use does not cause health problems. Scientists need grant money. Grant money becomes more available when your research "confirms" what the donor wants to hear.
Any effect humans have on this change is negligibl... (show quote)


I had recently read this and thought it fits right in with the topic you bring up..All a guessing game with science still learning right along with the rest of us...

The thinking was once glaciers start retreating, nothing's stopping them,” explains Josh Willis, an oceanographer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and OMG’s lead scientist. “We've found that that's not true.”
Other Arctic glaciers may be undergoing similar growth. That suggests the ebb and flow of glaciers in a warming world may be more complicated and harder to predict than previously thought, says Willis.
<snip>

https://relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/environment/2019/03/one-part-of-greenland-ice-growing

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Apr 15, 2019 09:11:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Richard94611 wrote:
“There has been no warming for at least ten years” ? Year after year in the past decade the average temperature across the globe has broken records. The ice caps are definitely not coming back. They are steadily diminishing. You have serious problems with where you get your data.


That an argument of fact and then again maybe just more of what Mother Nature does so naturally to keep the Barometer of the earth where it needs to be and not where we think it should be??? I mean look up a number of years she has been developing. Hot and cold are the natural phenomenon of what takes place to be sure we don’t simply explode.

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Apr 15, 2019 09:53:00   #
Kazudy
 
G****l w*****g g****l c*****g, bla bla bla. GOD is in control and this planet will exist until God is done with it. When He is done, Armagadden will destroy it, God's people will be with Him and the others will be with the other guy. Make your choice wisely......

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Apr 15, 2019 15:31:02   #
Highlander66 Loc: Illinois
 
You should read the book Eco-S**m by Ron Bailey. It accurately sums up c*****e c****e and the people shoving it at us.

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Apr 15, 2019 17:04:00   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Richard94611 wrote:
One of the recurring themes c*****e c****e deniers such as Blade-Runner harp on is that c*****e c****e is "natural," it has happened before, and and because of these things it isn't serious -- or, to go one step further into Blade_Runner Fantasy Territory, it's a dastardly h**x designed to end Capitalism.

Yes, it has happened before. You might want to read the book "Nature's Mutiny" by Philipp Blom. This book describes an historic cooling of the earth that occurred during relatively recent history, the "Little Ice Age" of the seventeenth century. You deniers bring up this cooling as proof that modern c*****e c****e cannot be that serious because it has happened before. Blom's book accounts many of the societal changes the "Little Ice Age" caused. We're just at the beginning of seeing what the heating of the earth will do to human society, but what happened when the c*****e c****ed before gives us a foretaste.
One of the recurring themes c*****e c****e deniers... (show quote)


Here is the BIGGEST problem with Man MADE c*****e c****e.
Blaming it on a CO2 increase.
It is ludicrous.
Then trying to make money on that BS.
Al Gore being one culprit.

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Apr 15, 2019 18:51:58   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Richard94611 wrote:
“There has been no warming for at least ten years” ? Year after year in the past decade the average temperature across the globe has broken records. The ice caps are definitely not coming back. They are steadily diminishing. You have serious problems with where you get your data.


Many here do Richard. They look for affirmations of their denial.

And they are old and trying to use up as many resources as they can before they die to be doubly repugnant. If only more young people v**ed. They are inheriting an earth that's going to see extremes of weather more so than we already have. Maybe even a new categoies of hurricanes and tornadoes. But they don't care. I hope their grandkids do.

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Apr 15, 2019 18:54:02   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
Many here do Richard. They look for affirmations of their denial.

And they are old and trying to use up as many resources as they can before they die to be doubly repugnant. If only more young people v**ed. They are inheriting an earth that's going to see extremes of weather more so than we already have. Maybe even a new categoies of hurricanes and tornadoes. But they don't care. I hope their grandkids do.


You really are a useful mattoid.

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Apr 15, 2019 19:36:08   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You really are a useful mattoid.


Thank you! I hoped you would notice.

(Actually it's my name for the liar in the WH with the "bonespurs")

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Apr 16, 2019 00:38:08   #
EconomistDon
 
Richard94611 wrote:
“There has been no warming for at least ten years” ? Year after year in the past decade the average temperature across the globe has broken records. The ice caps are definitely not coming back. They are steadily diminishing. You have serious problems with where you get your data.


Richard zip code, YOU have a problem with where you get your data. The International Conference on C*****e C****e has been fudging temperature data since the temperature peak in 1998. Each year they show a temperature gain of a thousandth of a degree, or so --- just enough to claim an increase. They claim that land-based temperature data must be adjusted to account for newly built buildings, highways, and parking lots. But all that is crap; they just need to show steady gains to support the steady flow of federal money to their research. In reality, satellite temperature data show that temperatures peaked in 1998 and have gone sideways since. Steadily rising CO2 levels during the past 20 years have not moved temperatures up one iota.

It's all an elaborate h**x, Richard Zip Code. Temperatures will continue to rise and fall according to the amount of solar energy coming from the sun ---- period. If you really want to know how people deal with warming temperatures, ask people from the Egyptian warm period or the Roman warm period.



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