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Apr 14, 2019 18:37:39   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yes.


If you're going to act like this I'm going to pick up my toys and go home!

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Apr 14, 2019 19:24:34   #
rumitoid
 
padremike wrote:
If you're going to act like this I'm going to pick up my toys and go home!


Goshdarnet, no.

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Apr 14, 2019 21:48:22   #
Auntie Lulu
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
The original system! That is until the “general welfare” clause was bastardized and twisted into the pretzel that is now the welfare state. The federal government was never constitutionally tasked with providing for citizens. That’s preposterous! Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state. “Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither”. The end.


The Critical Critic . . . Thank you for spouting such a clear understanding of the Constitution. Not only have we grown the ranks of the "poor and downtrodden" by giving, and giving to them that they have been rendered unable to even imagine that they can stand on their down two feet. When you add to that, the sorrowful situation that so much of the tax monies that have been taken from the American workers to pay for the care and keeping of illegal, felonious, boarder jumpers--that those who need charitable funds, and who are qualified by virtue of the fact that they are actual citizens, born in the USA (and I do not mean Mama dropped this baby once she crossed the boarder)--they are sent away with their hats in their hands because there is no more money to help them. This is shameful to say the least.

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Apr 14, 2019 22:22:03   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)


Welfare and other such measures were originally designed to help people while they got back on their feet, not to be a career option.

LBJ changed all that by expanding welfare on a way set up to market it to young, naive black girls -- "have all the babies you want, just don't get married, and the gubmint will take care of you." Best investment yet for buying an entire v****g bloc and economical, too, since the taxpayer is picking up the tab.

Between the fatherless households, the lousy schools provided and so forth, ever expanding generations of welfare careerists ensued, in their own way and by Democrat design trapped in their poverty and convinced that if they didn't v**e Democrat the "r****t" Republicans would take it all away and throw them out in the street.

And you have the chutzpah to claim that there's even an iota of compassion to share between every Democrat in the country? You are a real piece of work, you know that?

To keep going, today there are millions of people of all "races" on one kind of federal dole and another, some with treatable conditions somehow labelled as "disabilities," there are able bodied men and women well below retirement age collecting social security benefits or welfare and food stamps who believe it's their right to sit around doing nothing or doing drugs, there are able bodied homeless people out there who navigate "help the homeless" organizations geared toward keeping them undomiciled or rent subsidized and government dependent for pure profit reasons and a social services hierarchy that perpetuates itself by enacting employment readiness program "requirements" that are geared to fail and keep their "clientele" in a perpetual revolving door -- all on the taxpayers' dime.

And guess who runs that entire system?

Democrats armed with their Social Work degrees.

Like any deep state type chain of bureaucracies, they are, as I mentioned above, self perpetuating because no one is in any hurry to k**l the goose that lays the golden eggs.

As has been suggested, and rightly, none of this should in any way involve the federal government. The lion's share of the problems are regional -- take California, for example. The political flavor of the state attracts the largest number of career homeless and other indigence-prone individuals, and the ever expanding cost of living coupled with state regulation and taxes chases more jobs to other states every day.

California has the single largest rate of non-retirement Social Security recipients in the nation as well as the largest number of such "entitlement" recipients that are able bodied enough to hold jobs.

The "Golden State" is a veritable Mecca for career parasites, and while the local l*****t hypocrites bellow that California is the world's 6th largest economy, the state sure is a vacuum for federal tax money paid in by hard working Americans in the rest of the country.

If California wants to perpetuate such an environment rather than solve the problem, let California foot the bill. The same goes for every other state. Their citizens set the stages for their own environments when they enter the v****g booth, o let them pay for their own political choices without parasiting off the rest of the country.

Remember the Tenth Amendment? Any item not listed as the federal government's responsibility in Article One of the Constitution belongs to the individual states. Dealing with regional indigence definitely does not appear in Article One.

So don't whine about the hard hearted Republicans who are tired of flushing our hard earned tax money down a bottomless pit, urge your fellow Democrats who "own" this problem of their own making to fix it once and for all instead of treating it as an unending personal cash cow at the expense of the federal income tax/FICA payer.

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Apr 15, 2019 03:13:34   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Seth wrote:
Welfare and other such measures were originally designed to help people while they got back on their feet, not to be a career option.

LBJ changed all that by expanding welfare on a way set up to market it to young, naive black girls -- "have all the babies you want, just don't get married, and the gubmint will take care of you." Best investment yet for buying an entire v****g bloc and economical, too, since the taxpayer is picking up the tab.

Between the fatherless households, the lousy schools provided and so forth, ever expanding generations of welfare careerists ensued, in their own way and by Democrat design trapped in their poverty and convinced that if they didn't v**e Democrat the "r****t" Republicans would take it all away and throw them out in the street.

And you have the chutzpah to claim that there's even an iota of compassion to share between every Democrat in the country? You are a real piece of work, you know that?

To keep going, today there are millions of people of all "races" on one kind of federal dole and another, some with treatable conditions somehow labelled as "disabilities," there are able bodied men and women well below retirement age collecting social security benefits or welfare and food stamps who believe it's their right to sit around doing nothing or doing drugs, there are able bodied homeless people out there who navigate "help the homeless" organizations geared toward keeping them undomiciled or rent subsidized and government dependent for pure profit reasons and a social services hierarchy that perpetuates itself by enacting employment readiness program "requirements" that are geared to fail and keep their "clientele" in a perpetual revolving door -- all on the taxpayers' dime.

And guess who runs that entire system?

Democrats armed with their Social Work degrees.

Like any deep state type chain of bureaucracies, they are, as I mentioned above, self perpetuating because no one is in any hurry to k**l the goose that lays the golden eggs.

As has been suggested, and rightly, none of this should in any way involve the federal government. The lion's share of the problems are regional -- take California, for example. The political flavor of the state attracts the largest number of career homeless and other indigence-prone individuals, and the ever expanding cost of living coupled with state regulation and taxes chases more jobs to other states every day.

California has the single largest rate of non-retirement Social Security recipients in the nation as well as the largest number of such "entitlement" recipients that are able bodied enough to hold jobs.

The "Golden State" is a veritable Mecca for career parasites, and while the local l*****t hypocrites bellow that California is the world's 6th largest economy, the state sure is a vacuum for federal tax money paid in by hard working Americans in the rest of the country.

If California wants to perpetuate such an environment rather than solve the problem, let California foot the bill. The same goes for every other state. Their citizens set the stages for their own environments when they enter the v****g booth, o let them pay for their own political choices without parasiting off the rest of the country.

Remember the Tenth Amendment? Any item not listed as the federal government's responsibility in Article One of the Constitution belongs to the individual states. Dealing with regional indigence definitely does not appear in Article One.

So don't whine about the hard hearted Republicans who are tired of flushing our hard earned tax money down a bottomless pit, urge your fellow Democrats who "own" this problem of their own making to fix it once and for all instead of treating it as an unending personal cash cow at the expense of the federal income tax/FICA payer.
Welfare and other such measures were originally de... (show quote)


Pennylynn made a good point. I said something similar. SC, for instance, receives a great deal of Federal money. 50 of the 60 billion they receive goes to medicare and medicaid and SoSec.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/states-that-get-the-most-federal-money

An actual breakdown of the states is given here

https://stonesoup.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/federal-funding-received-by-state-per-dollar-sent/

Several of the red states receive a lot of federal funding, more than tax dollars, simply because so many federally funded entities are located there. Defense spending and energy spending on Federal projects are the main reasons. Also federal subsidies to farmers as in the case of North Dakota. Western states which contain a lot of federal land receive lots of federal money. States with lots of military bases or defense projects receive a lot of money. There is much more to it than the state being red or blue. Since so many Democrats oppose military spending it is not surprising that blue states receive less federal money for defense spending related items. They don't have the contracts.
A better way to look at it is to compare the taxes collected with the Federal money received for the purpose of entitlements to working age people. NOT retirees who have spent decades paying into the system.

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Apr 15, 2019 03:29:40   #
Seth
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Pennylynn made a good point. I said something similar. SC, for instance, receives a great deal of Federal money. 50 of the 60 billion they receive goes to medicare and medicaid and SoSec.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/states-that-get-the-most-federal-money

An actual breakdown of the states is given here

https://stonesoup.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/federal-funding-received-by-state-per-dollar-sent/

Several of the red states receive a lot of federal funding, more than tax dollars, simply because so many federally funded entities are located there. Defense spending and energy spending on Federal projects are the main reasons. Also federal subsidies to farmers as in the case of North Dakota. Western states which contain a lot of federal land receive lots of federal money. States with lots of military bases or defense projects receive a lot of money. There is much more to it than the state being red or blue. Since so many Democrats oppose military spending it is not surprising that blue states receive less federal money for defense spending related items. They don't have the contracts.
A better way to look at it is to compare the taxes collected with the Federal money received for the purpose of entitlements to working age people. NOT retirees who have spent decades paying into the system.
Pennylynn made a good point. I said something simi... (show quote)


The working agers are who I was referring to. The Social Security goes to them directly from the government, and the state pays them some small stipend.

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Apr 15, 2019 05:20:08   #
sisboombaa
 
maryjane wrote:
I agree. I support totally ending the current federal welfare programs, all of them. Then, let the states and their communities establish a way to permanently help the few truly infirm, but everyone else must work and support themselves. A truism is that the poor will always be with us and nothing we can do will ever change that. But there are actually not that many of our citizens that cannot do any job. I have watched films of people with no legs, no arms working supporting themselves. I recently read the story of the mentally challenged man that was retiring after a lifetime working at a fast food restaurant. The managers, workers and customers all commented on his work ethics, how pleasant he was to everyone, etc. Our government, primarily Democrats, created a welfare state in the USA and have been constantly expanding the services and the numbers ever since, making it a permanent way of life for generations. Being a single mother should not entitle a person to welfare. Being overweight should not entitle a person to live off the labors of others. A woman should not receive welfare just because she has a child outside of marriage. I want all of it ended except for those that truly need and deserve it. I am all for HELPING the needy, but not in ways that encourage them not to work. Establish top quality 24/7 childcare facilities in each community which would provide quality and safe care for the kids from birth to HS graduation, allowing parents to work any schedule. But everyone must pay, a minimal amount based on income and number of children, but no more freebies, all must pay. Establish food warehouses in each community, stocking them with all the basics plus fresh fruits and vegetables in season. Operate these based on memberships, limiting those to the truly low income folks, issuing membership cards (with photo) only after full investigation. The prices should be a fraction of those in stores, but never free, everyone pays. Offer small classes at all different hours at community centers to help people learn to budget, to live within that budget, to learn the difference between need and want, to shop wisely, to prepare tasty nutritious cheap meals and snacks and teach them how to save, maybe offer a reward to those who manage to save a certain amount (low, reasonable) in a month, in 6 months. In emergency cases such as illness, losing job, getting injured, step in and help out temporarily to get them back on their feet, then end the special help. Everyone works, everyone contributes, everyone helps each other and the country. No more freebies, instead, communities look out for their own.
I agree. I support totally ending the current fed... (show quote)


I have helped others in the past and probably will in the future but only if I have it to give. I have not, nor will I, give what belongs to someone else. The choice to give or not give was/is mine to make. I will help only those that are helping themselves. Wish the government would follow my example or get out of the welfare activity. Many years ago the community churches did the helping not the government. The churches chose who to help. Those church members in on the help were volunteers and had a say as to who was to be helped. I feel it worked better then and would now than the government's system. I'm not against helping but strongly think we should change the rules and guide lines.

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Apr 15, 2019 07:57:24   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Auntie Lulu wrote:
The Critical Critic . . . Thank you for spouting such a clear understanding of the Constitution. Not only have we grown the ranks of the "poor and downtrodden" by giving, and giving to them that they have been rendered unable to even imagine that they can stand on their down two feet. When you add to that, the sorrowful situation that so much of the tax monies that have been taken from the American workers to pay for the care and keeping of illegal, felonious, boarder jumpers--that those who need charitable funds, and who are qualified by virtue of the fact that they are actual citizens, born in the USA (and I do not mean Mama dropped this baby once she crossed the boarder)--they are sent away with their hats in their hands because there is no more money to help them. This is shameful to say the least.
The Critical Critic . . . Thank you for spouting... (show quote)


Amen Auntie, thank you for your comments. And you’re right, by blindly giving and giving, it just causes intellectual atrophy, and in the long run helps no one. Giving someone a fish, and teaching someone to fish, and all that.

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Apr 15, 2019 08:26:03   #
Seth
 
Seth wrote:
The working agers are who I was referring to. The Social Security goes to them directly from the government, and the state pays them some small stipend.


To add: these organizations that purportedly "help" the homeless are instrumental in helping them get on these permanent Social Security doles, rather than assisting them in becoming independent, working taxpayers. We're talking in many cases males in their early to mid twenties.

These organizations receive federal (taxpayer) funding for helping people navigate through social services systems to obtain and milk their entitlements.

The prevalence of such organizations in "liberal" states like California, Oregon, etc make them magnets for parasites and various types of career homeless drug users, who then make themselves at home -- in downtown L.A., on what they call skid row, the dirty sidewalks are lined with tents of various sizes and types, some real tents, some makeshift. The same can be found lining the Venice boardwalk and a couple of streets, and along Venice Boulevard in Culver City.

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Apr 15, 2019 10:21:00   #
waltmoreno
 
Seth wrote:
To add: these organizations that purportedly "help" the homeless are instrumental in helping them get on these permanent Social Security doles, rather than assisting them in becoming independent, working taxpayers. We're talking in many cases males in their early to mid twenties.

These organizations receive federal (taxpayer) funding for helping people navigate through social services systems to obtain and milk their entitlements.

The prevalence of such organizations in "liberal" states like California, Oregon, etc make them magnets for parasites and various types of career homeless drug users, who then make themselves at home -- in downtown L.A., on what they call skid row, the dirty sidewalks are lined with tents of various sizes and types, some real tents, some makeshift. The same can be found lining the Venice boardwalk and a couple of streets, and along Venice Boulevard in Culver City.
To add: these organizations that purportedly "... (show quote)


Amen to that Seth. I personally know of several, seemingly healthy, able bodied, young people here in California who don’t work and whom I was dismayed to learn were collecting Social Security.For All of these people collect their SS monthly checks for “mental disabilities”. For example, someone diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic is getting monthly payments. Not only do they NOT attempt to address their so called “disability”, they actually don’t want it cured. In fact if it gets cured, they lose their SS.
Pathetic!

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Apr 15, 2019 10:33:06   #
Seth
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Amen to that Seth. I personally know of several, seemingly healthy, able bodied, young people here in California who don’t work and whom I was dismayed to learn were collecting Social Security.For All of these people collect their SS monthly checks for “mental disabilities”. For example, someone diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic is getting monthly payments. Not only do they NOT attempt to address their so called “disability”, they actually don’t want it cured. In fact if it gets cured, they lose their SS.
Pathetic!
Amen to that Seth. I personally know of several, s... (show quote)


I'm kinda sorta wondering if, when people in places like Santa Monica, Venice and San Francisco are finally overwhelmed by the constant influx of these people and the diminished quality of life they represent, a new use might end up being found for the many disused FEMA camps.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:40:31   #
rumitoid
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Try the library instead.


The library has pretty women in leotards?

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Apr 16, 2019 12:00:01   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
rumitoid wrote:
The library has pretty women in leotards?

I suppose it could, but you should concern yourself with expanding your mind, not your eyes, or anything else.

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Apr 16, 2019 12:06:53   #
rumitoid
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
I suppose it could, but you should concern yourself with expanding your mind, not your eyes, or anything else.


I will take that under advisement.

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