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Apr 13, 2019 17:44:28   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?

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Apr 13, 2019 18:01:32   #
Lonewolf (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)



We can buy an f35 fighter for 1.5 trillion and need to cut school lunches Medicare and socially security.

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Apr 13, 2019 18:05:55   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
We can buy an f35 fighter for 1.5 trillion and need to cut school lunches Medicare and socially security.


Bizzaro World, my friend.

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Apr 13, 2019 18:44:13   #
The Critical Critic (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)

The original system! That is until the “general welfare” clause was bastardized and twisted into the pretzel that is now the welfare state. The federal government was never constitutionally tasked with providing for citizens. That’s preposterous! Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state. “Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither”. The end.

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Apr 13, 2019 19:41:13   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
The original system! That is until the “general welfare” clause was bastardized and twisted into the pretzel that is now the welfare state. The federal government was never constitutionally tasked with providing for citizens. That’s preposterous! Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state. “Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither”. The end.


Agreed...
It should be a State issue..

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Apr 13, 2019 19:59:56   #
Trooper745 (a regular here)
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
The original system! That is until the “general welfare” clause was bastardized and twisted into the pretzel that is now the welfare state. The federal government was never constitutionally tasked with providing for citizens. That’s preposterous! Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state. “Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither”. The end.


The stupid wacko leftists are all for unlimited welfare handouts, ... until someone other than their ignorant minions get some, ... then they gripe. Of course, they don't want to stop all welfare handouts, ... just the handouts to people they believe aren't voting for democrats.

If you lying liberals REALLY want welfare reform, get the democrat hypocrites in the US House to introduce legislation to stop ALL welfare handouts, the Republicans will support that.

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Apr 13, 2019 20:22:55   #
crazylibertarian (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)



When it's private, it's charity. When it's compelled by government, it's tyranny.

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Apr 13, 2019 21:07:20   #
Wolf counselor (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)


Quit blubbering and watch this.............. Goober.



https://youtu.be/u4_ApvtdSzg

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Apr 13, 2019 21:36:33   #
maryjane (a regular here)
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
The original system! That is until the “general welfare” clause was bastardized and twisted into the pretzel that is now the welfare state. The federal government was never constitutionally tasked with providing for citizens. That’s preposterous! Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state. “Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither”. The end.


I agree. I support totally ending the current federal welfare programs, all of them. Then, let the states and their communities establish a way to permanently help the few truly infirm, but everyone else must work and support themselves. A truism is that the poor will always be with us and nothing we can do will ever change that. But there are actually not that many of our citizens that cannot do any job. I have watched films of people with no legs, no arms working supporting themselves. I recently read the story of the mentally challenged man that was retiring after a lifetime working at a fast food restaurant. The managers, workers and customers all commented on his work ethics, how pleasant he was to everyone, etc. Our government, primarily Democrats, created a welfare state in the USA and have been constantly expanding the services and the numbers ever since, making it a permanent way of life for generations. Being a single mother should not entitle a person to welfare. Being overweight should not entitle a person to live off the labors of others. A woman should not receive welfare just because she has a child outside of marriage. I want all of it ended except for those that truly need and deserve it. I am all for HELPING the needy, but not in ways that encourage them not to work. Establish top quality 24/7 childcare facilities in each community which would provide quality and safe care for the kids from birth to HS graduation, allowing parents to work any schedule. But everyone must pay, a minimal amount based on income and number of children, but no more freebies, all must pay. Establish food warehouses in each community, stocking them with all the basics plus fresh fruits and vegetables in season. Operate these based on memberships, limiting those to the truly low income folks, issuing membership cards (with photo) only after full investigation. The prices should be a fraction of those in stores, but never free, everyone pays. Offer small classes at all different hours at community centers to help people learn to budget, to live within that budget, to learn the difference between need and want, to shop wisely, to prepare tasty nutritious cheap meals and snacks and teach them how to save, maybe offer a reward to those who manage to save a certain amount (low, reasonable) in a month, in 6 months. In emergency cases such as illness, losing job, getting injured, step in and help out temporarily to get them back on their feet, then end the special help. Everyone works, everyone contributes, everyone helps each other and the country. No more freebies, instead, communities look out for their own.

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Apr 13, 2019 21:55:00   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)


Perfect topic for me right now you blubbering, bleeding heart.

Where to start....
OK...A couple live down the road, they are tweakers, and derilects mostly. They recently got out of jail, and moved back into their travel trailer on land they don't own. Archie was benevolent to them in the past, and they stole Archie's stuff in return.

True story, and not much more needs to be said.
Except that they aren't getting water at Archie's house anymore.
No work.
No eat.
That simple.

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Apr 13, 2019 22:01:53   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
archie bunker wrote:
Perfect topic for me right now you blubbering, bleeding heart.

Where to start....
OK...A couple live down the road, they are tweakers, and derilects mostly. They recently got out of jail, and moved back into their travel trailer on land they don't own. Archie was benevolent to them in the past, and they stole Archie's stuff in return.

True story, and not much more needs to be said.
Except that they aren't getting water at Archie's house anymore.
No work.
No eat.
That simple.
Perfect topic for me right now you blubbering, ble... (show quote)


Archie needs to build a wall...
Or dig a moat...
Possibly consider the purchase of a more ferocious variety of pooch...

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Apr 13, 2019 23:56:55   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
The original system! That is until the “general welfare” clause was bastardized and twisted into the pretzel that is now the welfare state. The federal government was never constitutionally tasked with providing for citizens. That’s preposterous! Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state. “Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither”. The end.


Is each state better equipped to handle interstate highways and dams and toxic industries and discrimination than the federal government, to name a few likely exceptions to what a state can do, or more importantly, not do. The Constitution was not tasked with enumerating the Bill of Rights or making them law. Full rights for women, Native Americans, and slaves was not on the agenda of the Constitution.

"Each state is better equipped to handle the disadvantaged of their state." You mean like the Southern States for nearly a century with Jim Crow Laws and outright segregation after emancipation? Let them handle it?

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Apr 13, 2019 23:58:14   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Agreed...
It should be a State issue..


Canuckus, please, pretty please, rethink that statement. It is absurd.

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Apr 14, 2019 00:00:15   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Trooper745 wrote:
The stupid wacko leftists are all for unlimited welfare handouts, ... until someone other than their ignorant minions get some, ... then they gripe. Of course, they don't want to stop all welfare handouts, ... just the handouts to people they believe aren't voting for democrats.

If you lying liberals REALLY want welfare reform, get the democrat hypocrites in the US House to introduce legislation to stop ALL welfare handouts, the Republicans will support that.


Of course the GOP will support that...and that is indictment against them.

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Apr 14, 2019 00:01:21   #
EmilyD (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get subsidies, welfare, without any need for testing their CEOs or boards for drugs or other hoops to jump through. Not many on the Right complain, if any, about this bizarre action of granting such largess to corporations making billions in profit. But the GOP will not hesitate, instead seem to rush, to cut funds for S.N.A.P., housing assistance, SSI, Pell Grants, TANF, child nutrition, Head Start, and other programs for low income families. (Education is another area favored by Republicans to slash.) The elderly, disabled, and children that are without the means or any profits from shares in stock, are just chips in the game for so-called "fiscal-responsibility." Their base loves limiting entitlements. "Let them eat cake." Assured healthcare for them is considered a pox on our economy and wallets.

For me, a humane government like ours must--must!--help the disadvantaged. Our liberties mean nothing without the heart to extend a helping hand to the needy. If you want to say that America is a Christian Nation, then it should act like it and "care for the least of these." That is how each individual will eventually be judged by the Book of Life, and perhaps nations as well.

Yes, the system is not perfect. Some play the system and fraud in the millions happens. There are the Reagan-esque "Welfare Queens" and "Studs." Yet what system is perfect?
The Coal, Gas, Oil, and Agriculture Industries get... (show quote)

Who pays for this? Me?

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