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Apr 12, 2019 22:24:35   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States. The U.S.-born share of the American Muslim population is considerable (42%). It consists of descendants of Muslim immigrants, converts to Islam (many of them black) and descendants of converts. Not easily contained, legally or otherwise. And many are US citizens: do we suspend their rights? Where does that lead for other groups, even, and perhaps eventually, for Christians in this growing secular society?

What do we do about them? Any practical, concrete solutions or plans to deal with them? A lot of endless ranting about how dangerous they are...and that does nothing. Tempest in a teapot. Why uselessly complain? But that's all that happens on this question. Threads on OPP outlining the threat and terror of nearly fourteen hundred years that Islam has existed and attacked Europe. What does that do? Wail against barbaric Sharia Law? What changes? Whine about Hijabs in Congress? Silly.

Is internment possible? Create ghettos to hold them? How about declaring all of Islam as a terrorist state, the protections of the 1st Amendment not applicable as a religion anymore? Then what? Civil war against them? Will Mexicans get thrown into the mix for good measure to resolve the immigration “problem”? Profiling and surveillance on all Mosques? Create special IDs and data bases for all Muslims? But remember, many are US citizens.

So, what to do? Any ideas? Real ideas! If the danger from Islam is as great as many here expound, present reasonable options to contain or subdue the problem. Or shut up! All you are doing is being xenophobic or racist or boring otherwise.

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Apr 12, 2019 22:26:51   #
BigMike (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States. The U.S.-born share of the American Muslim population is considerable (42%). It consists of descendants of Muslim immigrants, converts to Islam (many of them black) and descendants of converts. Not easily contained, legally or otherwise. And many are US citizens: do we suspend their rights? Where does that lead for other groups, even, and perhaps eventually, for Christians in this growing secular society?

What do we do about them? Any practical, concrete solutions or plans to deal with them? A lot of endless ranting about how dangerous they are...and that does nothing. Tempest in a teapot. Why uselessly complain? But that's all that happens on this question. Threads on OPP outlining the threat and terror of nearly fourteen hundred years that Islam has existed and attacked Europe. What does that do? Wail against barbaric Sharia Law? What changes? Whine about Hijabs in Congress? Silly.

Is internment possible? Create ghettos to hold them? How about declaring all of Islam as a terrorist state, the protections of the 1st Amendment not applicable as a religion anymore? Then what? Civil war against them? Will Mexicans get thrown into the mix for good measure to resolve the immigration “problem”? Profiling and surveillance on all Mosques? Create special IDs and data bases for all Muslims? But remember, many are US citizens.

So, what to do? Any ideas? Real ideas! If the danger from Islam is as great as many here expound, present reasonable options to contain or subdue the problem. Or shut up! All you are doing is being xenophobic or racist or boring otherwise.
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims w... (show quote)


Nothing, is my simple answer.

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Apr 12, 2019 22:50:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States. The U.S.-born share of the American Muslim population is considerable (42%). It consists of descendants of Muslim immigrants, converts to Islam (many of them black) and descendants of converts. Not easily contained, legally or otherwise. And many are US citizens: do we suspend their rights? Where does that lead for other groups, even, and perhaps eventually, for Christians in this growing secular society?

What do we do about them? Any practical, concrete solutions or plans to deal with them? A lot of endless ranting about how dangerous they are...and that does nothing. Tempest in a teapot. Why uselessly complain? But that's all that happens on this question. Threads on OPP outlining the threat and terror of nearly fourteen hundred years that Islam has existed and attacked Europe. What does that do? Wail against barbaric Sharia Law? What changes? Whine about Hijabs in Congress? Silly.

Is internment possible? Create ghettos to hold them? How about declaring all of Islam as a terrorist state, the protections of the 1st Amendment not applicable as a religion anymore? Then what? Civil war against them? Will Mexicans get thrown into the mix for good measure to resolve the immigration “problem”? Profiling and surveillance on all Mosques? Create special IDs and data bases for all Muslims? But remember, many are US citizens.

So, what to do? Any ideas? Real ideas! If the danger from Islam is as great as many here expound, present reasonable options to contain or subdue the problem. Or shut up! All you are doing is being xenophobic or racist or boring otherwise.
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims w... (show quote)


Real ideas... Sounds fun...

For immigrants and refugees...

1. Greater surveillience of Mosques and Muslim organizations would be a good start...

2. Deportation of anyone found to be involved with radical extremists... (applies to immigrants and refugees only of course)...

3. Far greater vetting of immigrants and refugees...(or simply stop taking in refugees period...)

4. Strict penalties for those who attempt to circumvent the laws and apply their own (Sharia) law to settle issues.. .

5. Withdrawing from the middle east and resettling displaced refugees in Muslim nations...

For natural born citizens.

1. Greater surveillience as well...

2. Stricter sentencing for religious based crimes...

3. Zero tolerance for activities that promote/support fanatical versions of Islam...


Many of the issues with Islam could be resolved if more individuals bothered to learn about the faith and its tenants...
I have met few on the OPP who are capable of discussing it without resorting to half quotes or articles from Jihadwatch (or other anti-Islamic sites)...
Many also have a very skewed view of history... Every war fought by a Muslim nation was a Holy Jihad...

Most don't seem to be able to distinguish between the various sects and offshoots.. Many seem to think Louis Farrakhan is an example of mainstream Islam

Anyways... Great post...
Nice rant at the end there...
Truly.. Where would we be without our "being xenophobic or racist or boring"

Hope you are well Rumi...
Take care of that heart...

Your friend, Kyle

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Apr 12, 2019 23:05:50   #
Radiance3 (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States. The U.S.-born share of the American Muslim population is considerable (42%). It consists of descendants of Muslim immigrants, converts to Islam (many of them black) and descendants of converts. Not easily contained, legally or otherwise. And many are US citizens: do we suspend their rights? Where does that lead for other groups, even, and perhaps eventually, for Christians in this growing secular society?

What do we do about them? Any practical, concrete solutions or plans to deal with them? A lot of endless ranting about how dangerous they are...and that does nothing. Tempest in a teapot. Why uselessly complain? But that's all that happens on this question. Threads on OPP outlining the threat and terror of nearly fourteen hundred years that Islam has existed and attacked Europe. What does that do? Wail against barbaric Sharia Law? What changes? Whine about Hijabs in Congress? Silly.

Is internment possible? Create ghettos to hold them? How about declaring all of Islam as a terrorist state, the protections of the 1st Amendment not applicable as a religion anymore? Then what? Civil war against them? Will Mexicans get thrown into the mix for good measure to resolve the immigration “problem”? Profiling and surveillance on all Mosques? Create special IDs and data bases for all Muslims? But remember, many are US citizens.

So, what to do? Any ideas? Real ideas! If the danger from Islam is as great as many here expound, present reasonable options to contain or subdue the problem. Or shut up! All you are doing is being xenophobic or racist or boring otherwise.
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims w... (show quote)


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There are few good Muslims loyal to America. Majority of them believe in jihad to kill the infidels, and the Jews. Omar and Tlaib are traitors, and must be removed from Congress. Still defending the Islamic terrorists during 9/11

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Apr 12, 2019 23:12:06   #
solarkin
 
rumitoid wrote:
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States. The U.S.-born share of the American Muslim population is considerable (42%). It consists of descendants of Muslim immigrants, converts to Islam (many of them black) and descendants of converts. Not easily contained, legally or otherwise. And many are US citizens: do we suspend their rights? Where does that lead for other groups, even, and perhaps eventually, for Christians in this growing secular society?

What do we do about them? Any practical, concrete solutions or plans to deal with them? A lot of endless ranting about how dangerous they are...and that does nothing. Tempest in a teapot. Why uselessly complain? But that's all that happens on this question. Threads on OPP outlining the threat and terror of nearly fourteen hundred years that Islam has existed and attacked Europe. What does that do? Wail against barbaric Sharia Law? What changes? Whine about Hijabs in Congress? Silly.

Is internment possible? Create ghettos to hold them? How about declaring all of Islam as a terrorist state, the protections of the 1st Amendment not applicable as a religion anymore? Then what? Civil war against them? Will Mexicans get thrown into the mix for good measure to resolve the immigration “problem”? Profiling and surveillance on all Mosques? Create special IDs and data bases for all Muslims? But remember, many are US citizens.

So, what to do? Any ideas? Real ideas! If the danger from Islam is as great as many here expound, present reasonable options to contain or subdue the problem. Or shut up! All you are doing is being xenophobic or racist or boring otherwise.
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims w... (show quote)


I just try to be a good human, and am thankful that I am who I am. It's lots of small things that add up to make changes.
.Defend in your heart what you know to be true
Don't attack, or desecrate
.leave no room inside for hate.
Defend what you believe.

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Apr 12, 2019 23:13:27   #
solarkin
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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There are few good Muslims loyal to America. Majority of them believe in jihad to kill the infidels, and the Jews. Omar and Tlaib are traitors, and must be removed from Congress. Still defending the Islamic terrorists during 9/11


Very very few . I have never met one.

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Apr 12, 2019 23:29:02   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Real ideas... Sounds fun...

For immigrants and refugees...

1. Greater surveillience of Mosques and Muslim organizations would be a good start...

2. Deportation of anyone found to be involved with radical extremists... (applies to immigrants and refugees only of course)...

3. Far greater vetting of immigrants and refugees...(or simply stop taking in refugees period...)

4. Strict penalties for those who attempt to circumvent the laws and apply their own (Sharia) law to settle issues.. .

5. Withdrawing from the middle east and resettling displaced refugees in Muslim nations...

For natural born citizens.

1. Greater surveillience as well...

2. Stricter sentencing for religious based crimes...

3. Zero tolerance for activities that promote/support fanatical versions of Islam...


Many of the issues with Islam could be resolved if more individuals bothered to learn about the faith and its tenants...
I have met few on the OPP who are capable of discussing it without resorting to half quotes or articles from Jihadwatch (or other anti-Islamic sites)...
Many also have a very skewed view of history... Every war fought by a Muslim nation was a Holy Jihad...

Most don't seem to be able to distinguish between the various sects and offshoots.. Many seem to think Louis Farrakhan is an example of mainstream Islam

Anyways... Great post...
Nice rant at the end there...
Truly.. Where would we be without our "being xenophobic or racist or boring"

Hope you are well Rumi...
Take care of that heart...

Your friend, Kyle
Real ideas... Sounds fun... br br For immigrants... (show quote)


Thanks, Kyle, great post. And I am well. Had a great workup today and seem on the mend.

I have grown less apt to defend Islam. Yes, I still feel that many, maybe most, could be peaceful and no threat, yet history and their tenets and Sharia Law have me questioning my position. Maybe it has more to do with the fact that there appears to be no viable action to contain or subdue the possible threat. Let them be and hope, or outright war. Or other actions not so harsh, yet I cannot think of any.

'Where would we be without our "being xenophobic or racist or boring."' Funny.

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Apr 12, 2019 23:30:01   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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There are few good Muslims loyal to America. Majority of them believe in jihad to kill the infidels, and the Jews. Omar and Tlaib are traitors, and must be removed from Congress. Still defending the Islamic terrorists during 9/11


And that will fix everything?

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Apr 12, 2019 23:31:32   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
solarkin wrote:
I just try to be a good human, and am thankful that I am who I am. It's lots of small things that add up to make changes.
.Defend in your heart what you know to be true
Don't attack, or desecrate
.leave no room inside for hate.
Defend what you believe.


Great creed, solarkin, we all need that to be real.

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Apr 12, 2019 23:39:31   #
Iliamna1 (a regular here)
 
In the USA, the average Islamic woman produces over six children. Give 'em 40 years and they'll control
this nation, as they have set out to do. I have no solution for this. Get ready to pay jidzat. (sp)

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Apr 12, 2019 23:43:06   #
Lonewolf (a regular here)
 
Why do anything my eye Dr is one and he's good I know many who have converted and work hard.

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Apr 12, 2019 23:48:00   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
In the USA, the average Islamic woman produces over six children. Give 'em 40 years and they'll control
this nation, as they have set out to do. I have no solution for this. Get ready to pay jidzat. (sp)


This has been the experience of other non-Muslim countries, what amounts to invasion via demographic warfare.

Immigrate, multiply until you constitute a significant voting bloc, then begin installing your own people in government....

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Apr 13, 2019 00:00:37   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Real ideas... Sounds fun...

For immigrants and refugees...

1. Greater surveillience of Mosques and Muslim organizations would be a good start...

2. Deportation of anyone found to be involved with radical extremists... (applies to immigrants and refugees only of course)...

3. Far greater vetting of immigrants and refugees...(or simply stop taking in refugees period...)

4. Strict penalties for those who attempt to circumvent the laws and apply their own (Sharia) law to settle issues.. .

5. Withdrawing from the middle east and resettling displaced refugees in Muslim nations...

For natural born citizens.

1. Greater surveillience as well...

2. Stricter sentencing for religious based crimes...

3. Zero tolerance for activities that promote/support fanatical versions of Islam...


Many of the issues with Islam could be resolved if more individuals bothered to learn about the faith and its tenants...
I have met few on the OPP who are capable of discussing it without resorting to half quotes or articles from Jihadwatch (or other anti-Islamic sites)...
Many also have a very skewed view of history... Every war fought by a Muslim nation was a Holy Jihad...

Most don't seem to be able to distinguish between the various sects and offshoots.. Many seem to think Louis Farrakhan is an example of mainstream Islam

Anyways... Great post...
Nice rant at the end there...
Truly.. Where would we be without our "being xenophobic or racist or boring"

Hope you are well Rumi...
Take care of that heart...

Your friend, Kyle
Real ideas... Sounds fun... br br For immigrants... (show quote)


You have good, practical ideas, which is why there are organizations like CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations), those function is to raise a major civil rights stink, complete with legal battle, whenever such preemptive steps are taken.

Despite known ties to Hamas, CAIR remains a legal force to be reckoned with. Like certain other anti-America entities among us, they have learned to use our own Bill of Rights against us.

In order to ensure our own survival, therefore, we would have to violate the very tenets that make America what it is.

What the Brits might refer to as a "sticky wicket."

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Apr 13, 2019 00:31:39   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Real ideas... Sounds fun...

For immigrants and refugees...

1. Greater surveillience of Mosques and Muslim organizations would be a good start...

2. Deportation of anyone found to be involved with radical extremists... (applies to immigrants and refugees only of course)...

3. Far greater vetting of immigrants and refugees...(or simply stop taking in refugees period...)

4. Strict penalties for those who attempt to circumvent the laws and apply their own (Sharia) law to settle issues.. .

5. Withdrawing from the middle east and resettling displaced refugees in Muslim nations...

For natural born citizens.

1. Greater surveillience as well...

2. Stricter sentencing for religious based crimes...

3. Zero tolerance for activities that promote/support fanatical versions of Islam...


Many of the issues with Islam could be resolved if more individuals bothered to learn about the faith and its tenants...
I have met few on the OPP who are capable of discussing it without resorting to half quotes or articles from Jihadwatch (or other anti-Islamic sites)...
Many also have a very skewed view of history... Every war fought by a Muslim nation was a Holy Jihad...

Most don't seem to be able to distinguish between the various sects and offshoots.. Many seem to think Louis Farrakhan is an example of mainstream Islam

Anyways... Great post...
Nice rant at the end there...
Truly.. Where would we be without our "being xenophobic or racist or boring"

Hope you are well Rumi...
Take care of that heart...

Your friend, Kyle
Real ideas... Sounds fun... br br For immigrants... (show quote)


Good thoughts

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Apr 13, 2019 00:35:30   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States. The U.S.-born share of the American Muslim population is considerable (42%). It consists of descendants of Muslim immigrants, converts to Islam (many of them black) and descendants of converts. Not easily contained, legally or otherwise. And many are US citizens: do we suspend their rights? Where does that lead for other groups, even, and perhaps eventually, for Christians in this growing secular society?

What do we do about them? Any practical, concrete solutions or plans to deal with them? A lot of endless ranting about how dangerous they are...and that does nothing. Tempest in a teapot. Why uselessly complain? But that's all that happens on this question. Threads on OPP outlining the threat and terror of nearly fourteen hundred years that Islam has existed and attacked Europe. What does that do? Wail against barbaric Sharia Law? What changes? Whine about Hijabs in Congress? Silly.

Is internment possible? Create ghettos to hold them? How about declaring all of Islam as a terrorist state, the protections of the 1st Amendment not applicable as a religion anymore? Then what? Civil war against them? Will Mexicans get thrown into the mix for good measure to resolve the immigration “problem”? Profiling and surveillance on all Mosques? Create special IDs and data bases for all Muslims? But remember, many are US citizens.

So, what to do? Any ideas? Real ideas! If the danger from Islam is as great as many here expound, present reasonable options to contain or subdue the problem. Or shut up! All you are doing is being xenophobic or racist or boring otherwise.
A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims w... (show quote)


No idea what to do about Muslims, because there are two separate very different sets. Those that have been here since the late 1940s early 1950s, who immigrated here because they want to be Americans, and refugees imported in the last 10 years.

As far as Mexicans, I know many Mexican immigrants, a couple of whom I'm related to. Mexican people tend to be quite conservative, and our cultures are more alike than different, so you can't really compare the two. Hope all is well with you.

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