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Apr 15, 2019 22:52:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
emarine wrote:
When the Fed Gov. spends 10's of billions in a state... that state is dependent on the Gov...


There is nothing I can say to make you see that Federal employees pay taxes ergo should not be counted. So, think of those people as welfare cases if you must..

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Apr 16, 2019 04:44:58   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There is nothing I can say to make you see that Federal employees pay taxes ergo should not be counted. So, think of those people as welfare cases if you must..


Florida has the highest number of seniors in the country. The Social Security that they have spent their entire lives paying into that is now being dribbled back to them is counted as Federal money. This is not a gift; it is repayment of a forced investment. To count this money as part of some "entitlement" is ridiculous.

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Apr 16, 2019 08:45:09   #
Morgan
 
Pennylynn wrote:
What 44 page PDF? I am not redirecting, I am pointing out that governors establish the budgets for their states. The governors submit their request for Federal funding..... It is not a automatic line item for federal budget. The governors, after receiving a consolidated budget report, sends their state requirements to the Fed to be reviewed and presented to Appropriations for consideration.

As for California, the majority of their governors have been Republican. We will keep an eye on Gavin Newsom to see if he has to raise taxes. During his campaign he pledged support for a variety of expensive public services, including universal health insurance coverage and universal pre-kindergarten care and education.

His initial budget offered only token appropriations for those and other items on his wish list, but were he to seriously pursue them, they would require tens of billions of dollars in new taxes each year.

Newsom has proposed a new tax on water to pay for cleaning up municipal water supplies in impoverished communities. Several other targeted taxes have also been introduced in the Legislature.

Meanwhile, an initiative has qualified for the 2020 b****t to undo some of Proposition 13’s property tax limits. The measure would create a “split roll,” removing the 2 percent annual cap on increases in assessed valuation for non-residential, non-agricultural commercial property, such as office building and shopping centers.

If passed, it would raise property taxes by perhaps $10 billion a year – a lot of money, certainly, but far short of what the most ambitious service expansions would need. However, the initial polling on the split-roll measure doesn’t bode well for its passage, and the commercial real estate industry has pledged to spend $100 million to defeat it.

The more likely avenue for big tax increases would be some version of tax reform, which Newsom has endorsed in principle.

However, it must contend with the simple fact that we Californians are, in the aggregate, already carrying one of the nation’s highest tax burdens and quite possibly the highest.

Meanwhile, last year's count revealed that about 130,000 Californians were homeless—nearly a quarter of the national total. California's rate of homelessness, 33 per 10,000 residents, was among the highest in the country. Plus, U.S. Census Bureau's supplemental poverty measure shows roughly 7.5 million Californians — about 19 percent of the state population — live in poverty. California is one of the three states tied for highest poverty rate, alongside Florida and Louisiana. And coupled with that the suicide rate rose from 8.2 suicides per 100,000 residents to 10.9 suicides per 100,000 residents. Nearly a quarter of the nation's undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state's population. The state's violent crime rate increased dramatically from 1960 to 1980, from 236 to 888 violent crimes per 100,000 residents—a staggering 276% rise. All in all, not a unicorn and all smiles state.
What 44 page PDF? I am not redirecting, I am poin... (show quote)

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Apr 16, 2019 09:13:31   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
emarine wrote:
Come on now bird buddy... your trolling is old... don't you have any of your own thoughts?... you're very pathetic...


Asking for sources is trolling, Emarine?
"Big Changes, Morgan.
Now please answer the other questions Pennylynn asked.

"I am wondering if the definition of "dependent on government" and "welfare" may be juxtaposed. Does this author include current state and local government employees, as well as former workers receiving government pensions, or include Medicare/Medicaid recipients as “welfare” dependents? Or is it a simple count of those receiving benefits while unemployed? One last question (for now), how did the author determine which states are Red vice Blue?"

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Apr 16, 2019 09:22:25   #
Morgan
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I provided you with links to my data and at the end, I left it for you to determine the causes. My data, which was inspired by your reference, proves my points. There is a world of difference if you subtract the "government" employees from the equation..... unless you believe that these individuals do not work but collect a check for staying home watching weeds grow. Also, if you take out the elderly (most on Social Security) the picture would again change....unless you consider their collection of money that they worked their lives for is welfare. Take the data from the Census Bureau and from USDA and crunch the numbers. Then make up your own mind.... this is how I came to my conclusion.
I provided you with links to my data and at the en... (show quote)


You are still wanting to bring up the reasons for funding, I am not talking about the military, government employees, homeless,or retirees, but simply a black and white of totals what goes out to what comes in, there isn't any justification taking place here. I was simply sticking up for the t***h of California not being one of the states taking in MORE than giving out... period. For all that California has to deal with from immigrants, i******s, seniors and homeless I think they're doing a great job, why don't you try and support them. People on the right are constantly trashing California and other states like New York, mostly blue states. I have never, and will never put down another state, State's...like people have their strengths and their weaknesses and being negative and putting them down does nothing to help anything. I'm also not from California but I am against disparaging the state or the people. This is not directed at you, only an explaintion why I originally responded.

I had asked if you wanted the PDF

Attached file:
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Apr 16, 2019 09:31:53   #
Morgan
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Florida has the highest number of seniors in the country. The Social Security that they have spent their entire lives paying into that is now being dribbled back to them is counted as Federal money. This is not a gift; it is repayment of a forced investment. To count this money as part of some "entitlement" is ridiculous.


First off it is not forced there is an option to opt out. For many, it is life support in their old age which is exactly why the Democrats created it, versus people starving to death as in the past.

This is exactly an entitlement! They are entitled to it they PAID for it.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:33:34   #
Morgan
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Asking for scores is trolling, Emarine?
"Big Changes, Morgan.
Now please answer the other questions Pennylynn asked.

"I am wondering if the definition of "dependent on government" and "welfare" may be juxtaposed. Does this author include current state and local government employees, as well as former workers receiving government pensions, or include Medicare/Medicaid recipients as “welfare” dependents? Or is it a simple count of those receiving benefits while unemployed? One last question (for now), how did the author determine which states are Red vice Blue?"
Asking for scores is trolling, Emarine? br "B... (show quote)


Asking for scores??? Turn up the O2, or remember those meds

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Apr 16, 2019 09:34:40   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
First off it is not forced there is an option to opt out. For many, it is life support in their old age which is exactly why the Democrats created it, versus people starving to death as in the past.

This is exactly an entitlement! They are entitled to it they PAID for it.


SS is NOT an entitlement. It was paid into for a lifetime.
EXCEPT there are those being allowed to piggy back having paid little or none into it.
That seems to be the Democrat's way.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:39:27   #
Morgan
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There is nothing I can say to make you see that Federal employees pay taxes ergo should not be counted. So, think of those people as welfare cases if you must..


What does it matter really that they pay taxes, why don't we pay them less and have them not pay taxes? This is the same difference as an ice cube adding water to a glass of water...in reality it doesn't, does it? LOL, The military is an expense, money out no matter how you want to slice that bread, it's a simple budgetary fact, same with government workers and military contractors, it's all outgoing expenditures, whether they work or not is inconsequential to that fact.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:48:45   #
Morgan
 
eagleye13 wrote:
SS is NOT an entitlement. It was paid into for a lifetime.
EXCEPT there are those being allowed to piggy back having paid little or none into it.
That seems to be the Democrat's way.


Exactly, it was paid into, garnished from their wages...therefore they are entitled to it, period.

Definition to entitlement:

The fact of having a right to something.

Get over your hatred for Democrats.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:54:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
Asking for scores??? Turn up the O2, or remember those meds


That has been corrected. I was asking to to give the sources for "your" detailed submission.
Here it is again:
"California also leads in the greatest population and the greatest amount of immigrants and being paid below minimum wage. yes the do have a large amount of homeless as Washington State, FYI the homeless move to more temperate stable temperatures.

Mississippi is one of the most Republican states in the U.S.: Republicans dominate the state government, and not since Jimmy Carter’s victory in 1976 has a Democrat carried Mississippi in a p**********l race. “Fiscal responsibility” is a recurring theme in Mississippi politics, where Democrats are often characterized as people who couldn’t balance a budget if their lives depended on it. Yet the reality is that Mississippi is one of the most blatant examples of a state receiving more federal tax money than it gives:

Louisiana a Republican-dominated state, in it is fashionable to bash “big government liberals” who live in San Francisco or New York City. But when Louisiana Republicans do that, they are biting the hands that feed them. According to research, Louisiana receives $3.35 from the federal government for every dollar it pays in.

New York a traditionally blue state is doing the best putting more in federal taxes, helping the red states who receive more assistance.

Alabama is one of the most Republican-dominated states in the U.S., and it is also a state that is very reliant on the federal government. Wallace was the official Democratic candidate in Alabama the state has v**ed Republican in every p**********l e******n since 1980." - morgan

BTW; I am not saying that was not accurate, I am just curious who you go to for your information.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:56:53   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
Exactly, it was paid into, garnished from their wages...therefore they are entitled to it, period.

Definition to entitlement:

The fact of having a right to something.

Get over your hatred for Democrats.


"Get over your hatred for Democrats."

Why is it you/Liberals default to the term "hatred" for those that disagree with them.
A more accurate term would be disgust.

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Apr 16, 2019 14:19:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Get over your hatred for Democrats."

Why is it you/Liberals default to the term "hatred" for those that disagree with them.
A more accurate term would be disgust.


I agree with Morgan. Thus, calling SS an entitlement program is correct. All else is welfare and should be called welfare, pure and simple; the gov paying for things that people should pay for themselves!

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Apr 16, 2019 16:59:33   #
emarine
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There is nothing I can say to make you see that Federal employees pay taxes ergo should not be counted. So, think of those people as welfare cases if you must..




Its not welfare... its pure Socialism... Gov. employees that get paid from other working peoples tax's is Socialism & our Military is the purest form...

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Apr 16, 2019 17:08:23   #
Morgan
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I agree with Morgan. Thus, calling SS an entitlement program is correct. All else is welfare and should be called welfare, pure and simple; the gov paying for things that people should pay for themselves!



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