eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Big Changes, Morgan.
Now please answer the other questions Pennylynn asked.

"I am wondering if the definition of "dependent on government" and "welfare" may be juxtaposed. Does this author include current state and local government employees, as well as former workers receiving government pensions, or include Medicare/Medicaid recipients as “welfare” dependents? Or is it a simple count of those receiving benefits while unemployed? One last question (for now), how did the author determine which states are Red vice Blue?"

PJT

There are a lot of nuances and difference in degrees about meaning of dependent on government and welfare and various forms of assistance. Until we ate speaking about the same thing Lear it alone.
Now gong after c***ts is always valid bit many will argue that.
Keep looking for a perfect world or government. You won't find it this side of eternity.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Mighty thick hairs Morgan. Now answer the questions.

Thank you for the chart, where can I find the article? Is there a link? I am wondering if the definition of "dependent on government" and "welfare" may be juxtaposed. Does this author include current state and local government employees, as well as former workers receiving government pensions, or include Medicare/Medicaid recipients as “welfare” dependents? Or is it a simple count of those receiving benefits while unemployed? One last question (for now), how did the author determine which states are Red vice Blue?

Morgan

California also leads in the greatest population and the greatest amount of immigrants and being paid below minimum wage. yes the do have a large amount of homeless as Washington State, FYI the homeless move to more temperate stable temperatures.

Mississippi is one of the most Republican states in the U.S.: Republicans dominate the state government, and not since Jimmy Carter’s victory in 1976 has a Democrat carried Mississippi in a p**********l race. “Fiscal responsibility” is a recurring theme in Mississippi politics, where Democrats are often characterized as people who couldn’t balance a budget if their lives depended on it. Yet the reality is that Mississippi is one of the most blatant examples of a state receiving more federal tax money than it gives:

Louisiana a Republican-dominated state, in it is fashionable to bash “big government liberals” who live in San Francisco or New York City. But when Louisiana Republicans do that, they are biting the hands that feed them. According to research, Louisiana receives $3.35 from the federal government for every dollar it pays in.

New York a traditionally blue state is doing the best putting more in federal taxes, helping the red states who receive more assistance.

Alabama is one of the most Republican-dominated states in the U.S., and it is also a state that is very reliant on the federal government. Wallace was the official Democratic candidate in Alabama the state has v**ed Republican in every p**********l e******n since 1980.

The bottom line is the balance sheet, all-inclusive, who pays in more than receives, all the other subcategories are already included.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

All true.... HOWEVER, Mississippi has has had 64 governors, including 55 Democrats and 6 Republicans. So, personally I would not call it a Republican state. Louisiana has had 56 governors, 44 have been Democrats. Not exactly my view of a Republican state. Alabama has had 54 governors and only 7 have been Republicans. New York has had 18 Republican governors.... out of 56.... the closest to being Republican from your list. As you may know, the status of states is determined by the governors...... not the party in office as President of the USA. Ergo, most of the states considered as "takers" in the Atlantic are and have historically v**ed Democratic for govern-ship. The question is why would they v**e Democrat for governors and Republican for Presidents.

Taxation is much more salient to Democratic v**ers on a state level than it is on a national level. This is because states pass tax hikes and tax cuts more often than the federal government does, or because state tax hikes have a greater financial impact on v**ers than federal taxes.

So, in my opinion, states should not be considered either red or blue based on their v**es for President, but a combination of local or state e******ns and national.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Why is it you do not give your sources, Morganstern?

Morgan

You can redirect here and try to discredit, but the bottom line is the bottom line, all inclusive, what is in... to what is out. And what it comes down to per this discussion of California, it is not one of the states that drains the country, there are only ten states that can actually say that and California is one of them.

You are welcome to go to this 44 page PDF which from page 12 on shows and discusses The Balance of Payments across the States.

Morgan

Going back to when dixicrats existed is a whole nother story, can we stay within this 21st century.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

What 44 page PDF? I am not redirecting, I am pointing out that governors establish the budgets for their states. The governors submit their request for Federal funding..... It is not a automatic line item for federal budget. The governors, after receiving a consolidated budget report, sends their state requirements to the Fed to be reviewed and presented to Appropriations for consideration.

As for California, the majority of their governors have been Republican. We will keep an eye on Gavin Newsom to see if he has to raise taxes. During his campaign he pledged support for a variety of expensive public services, including universal health insurance coverage and universal pre-kindergarten care and education.

His initial budget offered only token appropriations for those and other items on his wish list, but were he to seriously pursue them, they would require tens of billions of dollars in new taxes each year.

Newsom has proposed a new tax on water to pay for cleaning up municipal water supplies in impoverished communities. Several other targeted taxes have also been introduced in the Legislature.

Meanwhile, an initiative has qualified for the 2020 b****t to undo some of Proposition 13’s property tax limits. The measure would create a “split roll,” removing the 2 percent annual cap on increases in assessed valuation for non-residential, non-agricultural commercial property, such as office building and shopping centers.

If passed, it would raise property taxes by perhaps $10 billion a year – a lot of money, certainly, but far short of what the most ambitious service expansions would need. However, the initial polling on the split-roll measure doesn’t bode well for its passage, and the commercial real estate industry has pledged to spend $100 million to defeat it.

The more likely avenue for big tax increases would be some version of tax reform, which Newsom has endorsed in principle.

However, it must contend with the simple fact that we Californians are, in the aggregate, already carrying one of the nation’s highest tax burdens and quite possibly the highest.

Meanwhile, last year's count revealed that about 130,000 Californians were homeless—nearly a quarter of the national total. California's rate of homelessness, 33 per 10,000 residents, was among the highest in the country. Plus, U.S. Census Bureau's supplemental poverty measure shows roughly 7.5 million Californians — about 19 percent of the state population — live in poverty. California is one of the three states tied for highest poverty rate, alongside Florida and Louisiana. And coupled with that the suicide rate rose from 8.2 suicides per 100,000 residents to 10.9 suicides per 100,000 residents. Nearly a quarter of the nation's undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state's population. The state's violent crime rate increased dramatically from 1960 to 1980, from 236 to 888 violent crimes per 100,000 residents—a staggering 276% rise. All in all, not a unicorn and all smiles state.

emarine

All Gov. employees are paid from all working peoples tax's… Even though all Gov. employee's pay into tax's they deplete the US Treasury by providing a service paid for by free market Capitalism workers... A little number crunching between the pay scale & benefit's from the major majority of free market employee's to Gov. employee's will show the majority of our National debt not counting the unfunded liability's in which is scary... we should address which states receive the most Military funding to see more clearly... If you just look at just who the fortune 500 is, tells much of the story... 4 billion here 5 billion there...over & over again... I just hope we've all got our money's worth...

emarine

Come on now bird buddy... your trolling is old... don't you have any of your own thoughts?... you're very pathetic...

Smedley_buzkill

Which 44 page PDF would that be?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

My point was the article included government employees when deciding on 'government dependency.' Take out those folks, because they pay taxes, would be more accurate. Government contractors, although paid through the federal government, should not be considered welfare recipients. Likewise, people receiving their Social Security, although many are on some type of government benefits, should be considered only if they receive benefits.

emarine

When the Fed Gov. spends 10's of billions in a state... that state is dependent on the Gov...

Smedley_buzkill

When a large portion of that expenditure goes to retirees who are owed the damn money the complexion changes. The government is not handing out money, they are repaying a debt that they forced retirees to pay into in the first place.