Smedley_buzkill

Yes, but the Obama appointed political prostitute who said we couldn't make them stay in Mexico was reversed, so we can send them there.

Morgan

Exactly, touche' Lonewolf. The same with health care, a fat zero. It's all political to win their v**es.

Morgan

An interesting reality chart, of what states receive the most. SC receiving the most at almost receiving $8.00 dollars to their one, California, towards the lower two thirds.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States—the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut—are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

This also has an interactive chart for more details per state.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you for the chart, where can I find the article? Is there a link? I am wondering if the definition of "dependent on government" and "welfare" may be juxtaposed. Does this author include current state and local government employees, as well as former workers receiving government pensions, or include Medicare/Medicaid recipients as “welfare” dependents? Or is it a simple count of those receiving benefits while unemployed? One last question (for now), how did the author determine which states are Red vice Blue?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

That's a goof one.

Morgan

I meant to put that, they state the bar chart, is from WalletHub's data. It is also from 2014, with all that's changed in the past several years I'm sure there are some changes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

Smedley_buzkill

This link tells a somewhat different tale.

https://brandongaille.com/welfare-statistics-by-race-state-and-payment/
California leads the nation in percentage of people in poverty, and percentage of people on welfare, and percentage of people who are homeless.
In your chart, SC leads in Federal funding. They received about 60 billion dollars, about 50 of which was for social security, medicaid and medicare.
Florida ranks high because of their huge number of retirees receiving sosec benefits.
North Dakota ranks high on your list because of aid to farmers and the many military installations there.
In 6th and 7th place, Hawaii and New Mexico are both solidly Democratic.
Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama have traditionally led the nation in poverty. They were in the same situation when all three states were controlled by Democrats.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you so much for the link. When I went to WalletHub, I found how they arrived at their conclusions and it seems that they considered government contracts and their employees when deciding "dependency" on the federal government.... and dependency does not mean welfare. The data on SNAP was interesting, but misleading in the Atlantic. When I followed their link, I found the majority of people on this program are senior citizens. Ergo, I can assume that the states they view as "takers" have more elderly than those who are "givers." Visiting the individual states, I am correct.... see http://time.com/5000792/youngest-oldest-us-states/

So, the analysis is unfair. The study should have been performed on able bodied individuals rather than on babies and the elderly. If you look into the data, the majority using "welfare" is pretty much the same....regardless of red or blue states. See: https://www.fns.usda.gov/ops/snap-community-characteristics They are the seniors. Children are in a different category, WIC. Other "welfare" such as section 8 housing is about the same, from California to New York.... it is the elderly. Now then when you look at the age differences.. warm states typically have more elderly. The exception is West Virginia, their elderly do not relocate... (perhaps John Denver had a point). Now look at the list of "takers" and decide for yourself why they made the list in The Atlantic.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

That's what I read on another thread but haven't checked it out yet. So yes, apparently, which means maybe not/don't know for sure yet.

Morgan

what states get in federal money is all inclusive on the chart I showed and tell the complete story to what each state receives to what they give.

Morgan

Your spiting hairs but it doesn't make your point,it was fair it was across the board for all states, seems to me you just didn't like the outcome.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I provided you with links to my data and at the end, I left it for you to determine the causes. My data, which was inspired by your reference, proves my points. There is a world of difference if you subtract the "government" employees from the equation..... unless you believe that these individuals do not work but collect a check for staying home watching weeds grow. Also, if you take out the elderly (most on Social Security) the picture would again change....unless you consider their collection of money that they worked their lives for is welfare. Take the data from the Census Bureau and from USDA and crunch the numbers. Then make up your own mind.... this is how I came to my conclusion.

Smedley_buzkill

When states have a large number of retirees they have large SoSec and Medicaid and Medicare payments. These are retirees who have paid their dues. They are getting money owed them. 50 of the 60 billion that SC, the leading state in your chart, receives is due to this.
The same applies to Florida. A couple of states are loaded with military bases and Federally owned land and facilities.
Once more, California leads the nation in percentage of homeless, of welfare recipients, of people in poverty. Not just numbers, in percentage.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Your chart takes a lot of things in consideration that is outside this topic. Since the thread is about Trump going low by "dumping" immigrants on the sanctuary cities, lets just look at welfare.
Topping the list is...

#1 California receives a whopping 103 BILLION DOLLARS in welfare. That's more than the next 2 put together.

#2 New York ...61.4 BILLION DOLLARS

#3 Texas at 35.4 BILLION DOLLARS Texas gets a lot of border crossings, so I don't hold them responsible.

The other 7 are;


4. Florida $27 billion

5. Pennsylvania $27 billion

6. Illinois $21 billion

7. Ohio $20 billion

8. Massachusetts $19 billion

9. New Jersey $17 billion

10. Michigan $16 billion

Here's what I don't find on your chart but I believe it is more to the point of this thread. 7 of the 10 biggest welfare states are either strong democratic, or leaning democratic. Only Texas, Florida, and Ohio are evenly matched between the 2 parties. None are republican leaning or strong republican.
Republican states get more federal money, but not just for welfare. I*****l i*********n costs California 30.3 BILLION DOLLARS per year, a staggering 17% of their total budget.
The point is, democratic states don't look so hot when all you look at is welfare. I didn't check all 50 states...maybe California and New York are exceptions, I don't know. This is just what I found.


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Smedley_buzkill

You are including Federal payouts for everything, including military and Department of Energy and retirees. A more accurate measure would be to look at the money earmarked for non-disabled working age adults.
A state with a lot of retirees and military bases is going to get a lot of money for those, and this has little to do with taxes collected.