Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

John McCain Associate Provided Dossier to Obama National Security Council

http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/20/john-mccain-associate-provided-dossier-to-obama-national-security-council/

About time people should dig deeper into "Songbird" McCain's background. His father (and grandfather) were admirals in the USN and daddy was able to shelter him from some of the crap he pulled... Btian C.😈

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Come on,Don!!!..What is the point???..The man is dead and 6 ft under!!!..Let him R,I.P!!!

teabag09

No ma'am Lori. The press keeps bringing his name (McCain) up to the President and then bashes him(the President when he answers honestly). The man McCain was a narcostic egomaniac. He had no interest in anything but his own pleasure and advancement. The thought that he could be president was d********g. Mike

EmilyD

Here ya go:
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

http://www.military-money-matters.com/nam-pows.html

With the recent death of U.S. Senator and former POW John McCain, stories have resurfaced again in an attempt to besmirch the character of Senator McCain. We are here to once again squelch the rumors and ask that if you've repeated them, please correct it to those with whom you shared.

Please disseminate this info far and wide. It is tragic to see this courageous warrior and public servant maligned with lies once again, particularly while his family is grieving his loss.

We're going to step aside now and turn this page over to the former president of NAM-POWs, Mike McGrath, who explains this situation far better than we could.

From NAM-POWs President Mike McGrath

"I thought you needed to see a message that I sent to some folks who were establishing web pages with completely false stories which had been submitted to them as true stories. They agreed to stop after learning that they had received bogus information.

NAM-POW names of: Jerry Driscoll, Larry Carrigan, and A.J. Myers have been connected, falsely, with the below stories. If any of you see these false stories passed around the net from group to group, please send a copy of this message to the sender and try to get this nonsense and slander of McCain, Driscoll, Carrigan, and A.J stopped.

Thanks,
Mike McGrath
President of NAM-POWs

(1) There is a bogus story floating around about Larry Carrigan, Jane Fonda, torture of POWs, death of POWs, strips of paper, notes given to Jane, etc. I just thought you should know that this is all bull crap propagated by someone for some unknown purpose....probably to bolster some h**e against the t*****rous witch.

I'm not defending her, we all h**e her as much as the next person, but you need to get your stories straight.

Jerry Driscoll is my Secretary/Treasurer. I just talked to him. Same for A.J. Myers. They had nothing to do with the article attributed to them. They ask that we get their names off that bunch of crap. Tonight I talked with Larry Carrigan. He asked that we get his name off all that crap as well.

He never left a room to talk to anyone like that. No torture or beatings to see Fonda. He was living with Bud Day, John McCain and a bunch of hard nosed resistors during the Fonda visit...lots of witnesses if you want to question him (or them). Larry was never near Jane.

There were never any POWs k**led on account of Jane. (Did anyone ever provide a name of one of these tortured fellows?)

That story about the notes has a nice theatric touch, but no such thing ever happened. The only ones who met with Jane willingly, to my knowledge, were CDR Gene Wilber and LCOL Ed Miller. One NAM-POW was forced to go before the Fonda delegation. And I think that was only to sit at a table for a photo-op. I doubt he even got a chance to talk to her let alone slip her a note.

To my knowledge, the worst that happened to the rest of us was that we had to listen to the camp radio (Radio Hanoi and Hanoi Hannah) with the Fonda propaganda. It pissed us off, but I doubt you can call that "torture." So, if you get a chance to SHUT THIS STORY DOWN to the groups who are forwarding it, PLEASE DO SO. You can cut and paste this paragraph if you want to. Doubters can come to me if they need to.

Mike McGrath,
President of NAM-POWs
POW 30 June 67 to 4 March 73

(2) Next, the false stories of John McCain's conduct. Again, there are false stories floating around the net about McCain. He was never missing from our group for six months. He never co-operated with the enemy.

We have dozens of us who lived with and around John for his entire time (10-26-67 to 14 March 73). Larry Carrigan, for one, lived with or near both John and Ted Guy. Larry says Ted would never make the statements which are being attributed to him ...and Ted can't set the record straight because he is dead.
We have dozens of roommates who will vouch for the loyalty and courage and conduct of John McCain.
Here is a more accurate story: John had both arms and at least one leg badly hurt on ejection. He was bayoneted near the groin by a soldier as they were pulling him from the lake. After three days of interrogations and no cooperation, he was near death. They found out his father was Admiral McCain. They stopped the interrogations, gave him medical care, brought in a French reporter (with camera), and let him make a statement to his family that he was alive and would recover and come home.

After laying off the rough stuff, and trying to get John to cooperate by the "good guy" treatment for a couple of weeks, they got pissed off that he would not give information or cooperate. So, they threw him in a cell with Bud Day (MOH recipient) and Maj Norris Overly. McCain was in danger of dying from maltreatment. Maj Overly had to nurse both men back to health.

From that point on, McCain resisted just as hard as any other POW. He went through the same interrogations and treatment. His roommates can testify to his valor and patriotism.

In short, I think that the slanderous reports by faceless people (and some are attributed to Ted Guy...which I doubt are true) are from the bunch who are really pissed off that McCain made a political decision to back Clinton when Clinton decided it was time for "normalization" of diplomatic and trade relations, and it was time to have Ambassadorial level representation. To many, that made John a t*****r.
To most, it was just a political reality. It opened the door to better cooperation for a host of areas, including a full accounting of the POW/MIA issue (which is still an ongoing issue today. We have 2,060 yet to account for).

If you want to get the straight story on McCain's conduct, please contact his roommates. Start with the Honorable Orson Swindle at OrsonIII [at] aol.com. Thanks for helping shut down these Phony stories. Again, you can copy this paragraph if it will help.

Mike McGrath,
President of NAM-POWs

Bottom line: Who are these guys who pretend to know who the POWs are, what we are, how we think and thought, how we conducted ourselves, what we said, what we did, or why we did wh**ever?

There are over 50 books written by or about us which pretty much detail our ordeal. For book list, see our web site at: www.nampows.org.

If that isn't enough, please contact us personally and get the straight story. Over 280 of our e-mail addresses are on the NAM-POW web site. We also list the 300 or so Phony POWs on the Hall of Shame. But please don't attribute anything to us that is not verified.

Thanks,

Mike

For those with a genuine interest to find out about us, I suggest you get a very recently released book, 700 pages of hard hitting researched reality, "Honor Bound", by Frederick Kiley and Stuart Rochester (recently nominated for a Pulitzer for this work).

This by far is the most comprehensive work ever done on our ordeal. Do you want to find out the t***h about the Cuban Program, the torture, the brutality, etc. Just pick up your phone and call the Naval Institute at: 1-800-233-8764.

Read this book first, then we'll talk to you about real POW experiences in Hanoi... not false stories of Hanoi."

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Thank you, P-R Though, I do defend one facet of him just above. I agree...let him R.I.P.

EmilyD

RIP. Nice excuse.
Hold him accountable before you do this. He was an A**hole of the first degree. Crew in the Navy refused to fly with him....look at the t***h.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

All of wh**ever John McCain was/is to be held accountable for is out of our hands.

I learned long ago that t***h is in the mind of the individual and each has to hold themselves accountable as to what they believe. It seems that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological or political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire to put it out.

EmilyD

What he did and what he really stands for is not "out of our hands" - it is what it is...just because he is dead does not mean that I have to respect him. I do not. That is what I believe. I have the right to believe it and I will not desist from believing it. Death does not excuse a person from being accountable. In fact it etches in stone what the person stood for in life. McCain was an awful person....his death will not change that.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Yes, Emily, one is certainly entitled to believe as they choose on any matter.

Clearly, IMO, John McCain's life (like most) was one that was unquestionably filled with both good and bad decisions. Yet, even as I recognize(d) his flaws, McCain earned and continues to hold my overall respect for his service and extended time in captivity.

Again, may he R.I.P.

SEMPER FI

Wonttakeitanymore

And our president deserves our respect for putting country first not political correctness! Death doesn’t make a scoundrel a good person!

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

For Slatten49 And Others... Benedict Arnold Is Still Pointed To In Our History As What Not To Be, So Could McCann... Don D.
P.S. I'm Not Suggesting McCann Was And Arnold, Only Using Them As Examples!!

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Noted, Don. But, the historical verdict on Arnold appears nearly unanimous. With McCain, my estimation is that respect for his service is more prevalent than him being reviled.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Those of us who know, know!

Remember when the MSM h**ed McCain? Now, since it works well with their anti-Trump agenda, they have deified him and made him a saint.

EmilyD

Their hypocrisy is showing.....again.