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This thread is more for Trump's base and I think it would help in understanding if they could explain one of his latest tweet
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Mar 16, 2019 16:36:19   #
rumitoid
 
“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of Bikers for Trump,” Trump told Breitbart in the interview, which he later tweeted. “I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

The Left has said this is a thinly veiled threat of violence against them. Interestingly, in one of the few times he has deleted a tweet, after the attack in NZ those words were deleted. Why? No matter.

What I believe might help is the Right interpreting what he meant. Is there another explanation besides a threat against the Left of violence if pushed hard enough? What did he mean by "a certain point"? "It would be very bad, very bad" how? Two of the supports he claims have weapons and are organized; Bikers are somewhat notorious for their no-nonsense defense or retributions. What did he mean by "their support"? How? Against who?

For me, it goes along with other perceived approval of or invitation to attack the opposition.

His comments about the convicted criminal assault against a reporter (“any guy who can do a body slam, he is my type!”) by Gianforte. Was that encouraging violence against the media? And if so, are you okay with that?

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters. How is that not encouraging violence against the opposition? Please explain. And explain why he later said he never stated he would pay for those legal fees. (He is on video doing so.)

Is the Left daft or h**ers for seeing in what has been mentioned a threat of violence?

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Mar 16, 2019 16:41:38   #
woodguru
 
rumitoid wrote:
“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of Bikers for Trump,” Trump told Breitbart in the interview, which he later tweeted. “I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

The Left has said this is a thinly veiled threat of violence against them. Interestingly, in one of the few times he has deleted a tweet, after the attack in NZ those words were deleted. Why? No matter.

What I believe might help is the Right interpreting what he meant. Is there another explanation besides a threat against the Left of violence if pushed hard enough? What did he mean by "a certain point"? "It would be very bad, very bad" how? Two of the supports he claims have weapons and are organized; Bikers are somewhat notorious for their no-nonsense defense or retributions. What did he mean by "their support"? How? Against who?

For me, it goes along with other perceived approval of or invitation to attack the opposition.

His comments about the convicted criminal assault against a reporter (“any guy who can do a body slam, he is my type!”) by Gianforte. Was that encouraging violence against the media? And if so, are you okay with that?

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters. How is that not encouraging violence against the opposition? Please explain. And explain why he later said he never stated he would pay for those legal fees. (He is on video doing so.)

Is the Left daft or h**ers for seeing in what has been mentioned a threat of violence?
“I have the support of the police, the support of ... (show quote)


His context was in reference to opposition, his will being opposed by congress and the senate. Wait until his veto is overridden the first time, we will be seeing a tantrum, a call to arms.

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Mar 16, 2019 17:05:35   #
Gatsby
 
rumitoid wrote:
“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of Bikers for Trump,” Trump told Breitbart in the interview, which he later tweeted. “I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

The Left has said this is a thinly veiled threat of violence against them. Interestingly, in one of the few times he has deleted a tweet, after the attack in NZ those words were deleted. Why? No matter.

What I believe might help is the Right interpreting what he meant. Is there another explanation besides a threat against the Left of violence if pushed hard enough? What did he mean by "a certain point"? "It would be very bad, very bad" how? Two of the supports he claims have weapons and are organized; Bikers are somewhat notorious for their no-nonsense defense or retributions. What did he mean by "their support"? How? Against who?

For me, it goes along with other perceived approval of or invitation to attack the opposition.

His comments about the convicted criminal assault against a reporter (“any guy who can do a body slam, he is my type!”) by Gianforte. Was that encouraging violence against the media? And if so, are you okay with that?

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters. How is that not encouraging violence against the opposition? Please explain. And explain why he later said he never stated he would pay for those legal fees. (He is on video doing so.)

Is the Left daft or h**ers for seeing in what has been mentioned a threat of violence?
“I have the support of the police, the support of ... (show quote)




What did he mean by "a certain point"? You have to ask?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-protests-idUSKBN1540J7

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/donald-trump-inauguration-protests-begin-turn-viol/

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Mar 16, 2019 17:21:23   #
rumitoid
 


Exclude White Nationalist parades and gatherings?

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Mar 16, 2019 18:14:20   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of Bikers for Trump,” Trump told Breitbart in the interview, which he later tweeted. “I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

The Left has said this is a thinly veiled threat of violence against them. Interestingly, in one of the few times he has deleted a tweet, after the attack in NZ those words were deleted. Why? No matter.

What I believe might help is the Right interpreting what he meant. Is there another explanation besides a threat against the Left of violence if pushed hard enough? What did he mean by "a certain point"? "It would be very bad, very bad" how? Two of the supports he claims have weapons and are organized; Bikers are somewhat notorious for their no-nonsense defense or retributions. What did he mean by "their support"? How? Against who?

For me, it goes along with other perceived approval of or invitation to attack the opposition.

His comments about the convicted criminal assault against a reporter (“any guy who can do a body slam, he is my type!”) by Gianforte. Was that encouraging violence against the media? And if so, are you okay with that?

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, he told audience members he would pay their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protesters. How is that not encouraging violence against the opposition? Please explain. And explain why he later said he never stated he would pay for those legal fees. (He is on video doing so.)

Is the Left daft or h**ers for seeing in what has been mentioned a threat of violence?
“I have the support of the police, the support of ... (show quote)


See #10 here (the last one) for your answer in a no-joke graphic depiction: https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-154711-1.html#2781211

I’m not condoning it, and I wouldn’t refer to myself as part of “Trump’s base”. He’s no where near as Constitutionally minded as I am, I’m just trying to show you something to explain because you asked. L*****ts are literally destroying this country, denigrating the constitution, the free enterprise system, they can’t even bring themselves to support babies born alive let alone defend living human beings in the womb, are making it illegal and unacceptable to acknowledge that the marriage of one man and one woman isnt only best and primary relationship, but is THE sole bedrock building block of society, and on and on I could go, and after you threaten all these perversions to all that is true and holy, then you cry foul because conservatives warn you that they will only let you push them so far!?

And you act all “superior” for seeing the rage build?!? This is just another hypocrisy to add to the list of l*****ts.

Answer me this mr self-righteous smarty pants- when you l*****ts make socialism the law of the land, and make loving liberty and this country’s founding principles illegal to express and defend, and then force compliance at the end of a gun, who will be the f*****t then! And why are you so cowardly as to insist that all their guns be taken away first? Tyrants all of you!

What do you expect your l*****t ideal of “fundamentally t***sforming” this country, that many of us love, to induce in those who love it, to do? Add that to the fact that the founders of this country warned that tyranny, just such as you l*****ts are heading this country toward, would need to be fought against with bloodshed, and what do you expect to happen?

You’re like those families of thieves who were shot in self defense by their victims, and you blame the intended victim instead of denouncing the thief or rapist in your family. THAT is how TWISTED your reasoning is.

If you are SO concerned about this divide between left and right turning violent, then it is YOU L*****T SOCIALISTS who should leave, not the constitutional patriots who are merely “self-defending” this great country that our founders bought with their blood and our soldiers and their families have sacrificed lives to defend ever since! And you think these patriots ought to submit to your ruination of this country with some kind of gratitude to you? Oh, you are so smart, not!

But none of you l*****ts will leave because you are that much of a collective of hypocrites, and self-conceited bigots and you h**e America that much, and you are that much of a group of tyrants yourselves that you think these “hicks” need you all to straighten out their country for them.

Go away. Move to Argentina. Or don’t complain when the violence starts in defence of this country from your treasonous, forcible, tyrannically imposed “fundamental change”! All the blood will be solely on your hands! The self-defenders of this country’s foundational principles will not be the guilty ones... not this time.

Does that answer your question?

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Mar 16, 2019 18:21:10   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
See #10 here (the last one) for your answer in a no-joke graphic depiction: https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-154711-1.html#2781211

I’m not condoning it, and I wouldn’t refer to myself as part of “Trump’s base”. He’s no where near as Constitutionally minded as I am, I’m just trying to show you something to explain because you asked. L*****ts are literally destroying this country, denigrating the constitution, the free enterprise system, they can’t even bring themselves to support babies born alive let alone defend living human beings in the womb, are making it illegal and unacceptable to acknowledge that the marriage of one man and one woman isnt only best and primary relationship, but is THE sole bedrock building block of society, and on and on I could go, and after you threaten all these perversions to all that is true and holy, then you cry foul because conservatives warn you that they will only let you push them so far!?

And you act all “superior” for seeing the rage build?!? This is just another hypocrisy to add to the list of l*****ts.

Answer me this mr self-righteous smarty pants- when you l*****ts make socialism the law of the land, and make loving liberty and this country’s founding principles illegal to express and defend, and then force compliance at the end of a gun, who will be the f*****t then! And why are you so cowardly as to insist that all their guns be taken away first? Tyrants all of you!

What do you expect your l*****t ideal of “fundamentally t***sforming” this country, that many of us love, to induce in those who love it, to do? Add that to the fact that the founders of this country warned that tyranny, just such as you l*****ts are heading this country toward, would need to be fought against with bloodshed, and what do you expect to happen?

You’re like those families of thieves who were shot in self defense by their victims, and you blame the intended victim instead of denouncing the thief or rapist in your family. THAT is how TWISTED your reasoning is.

If you are SO concerned about this divide between left and right turning violent, then it is YOU L*****T SOCIALISTS who should leave, not the constitutional patriots who are merely “self-defending” this great country that our founders bought with their blood and our soldiers and their families have sacrificed lives to defend ever since! And you think these patriots ought to submit to your ruination of this country with some kind of gratitude to you? Oh, you are so smart, not!

But none of you l*****ts will leave because you are that much of a collective of hypocrites, and self-conceited bigots and you h**e America that much, and you are that much of a group of tyrants yourselves that you think these “hicks” need you all to straighten out their country for them.

Go away. Move to Argentina. Or don’t complain when the violence starts in defence of this country from your treasonous, forcible, tyrannically imposed “fundamental change”! All the blood will be solely on your hands! The self-defenders of this country’s foundational principles will not be the guilty ones... not this time.

Does that answer your question?
See #10 here (the last one) for your answer in a n... (show quote)


No. Not even close. Yet your h**e of the Left is overwhelming. So maybe you did answer my question.

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Mar 16, 2019 19:24:46   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
No. Not even close. Yet your h**e of the Left is overwhelming. So maybe you did answer my question.


The left’s desire to destroy America is what is overwhelming!

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Mar 16, 2019 19:54:18   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
The left’s desire to destroy America is what is overwhelming!


Explain how, please.

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Mar 16, 2019 19:55:29   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
No. Not even close. Yet your h**e of the Left is overwhelming. So maybe you did answer my question.


So when are you going to answer my question?

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Mar 16, 2019 20:33:01   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
So when are you going to answer my question?


I did, and if not ask it clearly again.

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Mar 16, 2019 20:37:46   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Explain how, please.


It’s called the tyranny of the majority, which is basically the definition of “Democratic Socialism.”
The l*****t agenda, like I stated earlier listing a few of the major points, is set out to utterly destroy, (they call it “fundamentally t***sform”) literally everything that is good about America.

Stop and ask yourself two questions:
What if a******n really is murder?
Would murder be okay with you?

The only thing l*****ts have to defend their theory that a******n isn’t murder, defined as the taking of a human life for no cause of the victim, is their own ideology. It is totally contrary to the science of life.

When you can justify murder, you can justify anything evil. And anything that can justify any evil is inherently evil. The left’s solution to man’s social ills is governmental control, BIG, trillions of dollars, government control, change your entire infrastructure government control. Secular governments have proven themselves in the last century to be, bar none, the most murderous enterprise on earth, and that is the direction l*****ts and Democrats are heading. Deny it all they want, it is an expected end.

America was created to thwart and keep in check exactly the type of governmental tyranny that l*****ts and Democrats now want to implement in America. There is nothing redeeming about the tyranny of socialism- nothing. It is legalized thievery, and that’s just how it starts.

And that is my answer to your question of the overwhelming hatred l*****ts have of America.

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Mar 16, 2019 20:46:29   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
It’s called the tyranny of the majority, which is basically the definition of “Democratic Socialism.”
The l*****t agenda, like I stated earlier listing a few of the major points, is set out to utterly destroy, (they call it “fundamentally t***sform”) literally everything that is good about America.

Stop and ask yourself two questions:
What if a******n really is murder?
Would murder be okay with you?

The only thing l*****ts have to defend their theory that a******n isn’t murder, defined as the taking of a human life for no cause of the victim, is their own ideology. It is totally contrary to the science of life.

When you can justify murder, you can justify anything evil. And anything that can justify any evil is inherently evil. The left’s solution to man’s social ills is governmental control, BIG, trillions of dollars, government control, change your entire infrastructure government control. Secular governments have proven themselves in the last century to be, bar none, the most murderous enterprise on earth, and that is the direction l*****ts and Democrats are heading. Deny it all they want, it is an expected end.

America was created to thwart and keep in check exactly the type of governmental tyranny that l*****ts and Democrats now want to implement in America. There is nothing redeeming about the tyranny of socialism- nothing. It is legalized thievery, and that’s just how it starts.

And that is my answer to your question of the overwhelming hatred l*****ts have of America.
It’s called the tyranny of the majority, which is ... (show quote)


I understand your reasoning and appreciate your beliefs. A thought. When you say there is this "overwhelming hatred l*****ts have of America," do you h**e L*****ts? H**e is blinding, BTW.

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Mar 16, 2019 21:40:33   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
rumitoid wrote:
I understand your reasoning and appreciate your beliefs. A thought. When you say there is this "overwhelming hatred l*****ts have of America," do you h**e L*****ts? H**e is blinding, BTW.


Not the people, not at all. Its the destructive nature of the ideology that I find detestable. And I’d like to believe most people have been indoctrinated into it. So a lot of what I feel is my own frustration for not being able to explain it, and that may get interpreted as hatred, but it’s not. At least, I don’t believe so.

I was raised as a liberal. I learned about the true purpose of America basically on my own after becoming an adult. So part of my passion comes from knowing I was deceived or at least not told the full t***h, and wanting to wake people up like I was.

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Mar 16, 2019 22:08:10   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Not the people, not at all. Its the destructive nature of the ideology that I find detestable. And I’d like to believe most people have been indoctrinated into it. So a lot of what I feel is my own frustration for not being able to explain it, and that may get interpreted as hatred, but it’s not. At least, I don’t believe so.

I was raised as a liberal. I learned about the true purpose of America basically on my own after becoming an adult. So part of my passion comes from knowing I was deceived or at least not told the full t***h, and wanting to wake people up like I was.
Not the people, not at all. Its the destructive na... (show quote)


Thank you for your background. An exceptional gesture, given the volatile nature of the discussion. Taking a step back like you did is admirable.

I was raised Roman (but actually Irish) Catholic in da Bronx. We dominated. I did not get to know a Protestant until in my late 30s. Pretty indoctrinated. My family was passionate Liberals. I feel that that passion has shifted earnestly in me towards finding the unbiased t***h, yet I may deceive myself. Impossible to say.

We have more in common than not.

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Mar 17, 2019 02:00:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TommyRadd wrote:
It’s called the tyranny of the majority, which is basically the definition of “Democratic Socialism.”
The l*****t agenda, like I stated earlier listing a few of the major points, is set out to utterly destroy, (they call it “fundamentally t***sform”) literally everything that is good about America.

Stop and ask yourself two questions:
What if a******n really is murder?
Would murder be okay with you?

The only thing l*****ts have to defend their theory that a******n isn’t murder, defined as the taking of a human life for no cause of the victim, is their own ideology. It is totally contrary to the science of life.

When you can justify murder, you can justify anything evil. And anything that can justify any evil is inherently evil. The left’s solution to man’s social ills is governmental control, BIG, trillions of dollars, government control, change your entire infrastructure government control. Secular governments have proven themselves in the last century to be, bar none, the most murderous enterprise on earth, and that is the direction l*****ts and Democrats are heading. Deny it all they want, it is an expected end.

America was created to thwart and keep in check exactly the type of governmental tyranny that l*****ts and Democrats now want to implement in America. There is nothing redeeming about the tyranny of socialism- nothing. It is legalized thievery, and that’s just how it starts.

And that is my answer to your question of the overwhelming hatred l*****ts have of America.
It’s called the tyranny of the majority, which is ... (show quote)


Hi Tommy...
Just wanted to step in and say that I have never heard Rumi defend a******n or advocate for it... I have heard him speak out against it...


Nor have I heard him advocate socialism in any form...

He does have some strong opinions concerning Trump... But don't we all

Hope you are well...

Your friend, Kyle

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