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Mar 18, 2019 22:13:17   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
The left doesn’t have to be worried about inciting r****m and division - it is condoned. Its only wrong if the right does it.

Objecting isn’t wrong. Trying to control speech is. Its all well and good to say you believe in free speech when its comfortable. Its when it becomes uncomfortable that the real test begins. Americans used to be much tougher. Now everyone’s a victim


Okay, Rose. As your base disagreement about PC is that "The left doesn’t have to be worried about inciting r****m and division - it is condoned," very little left to say.

If you have read my comments before on this topic, and on this thread, I thoroughly agree with you that "when it becomes uncomfortable that the real test begins" and nearly any speaker should be allowed to address the student body. Notable exceptions may be infants, the dead, and the like.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:15:27   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I recall my father correcting me for ill manners and for being overly sensitive...

That being said... I notice many younger (politically correct) individuals are lacking in many of the basic manners that we used to cherish... Simple civilities have been replaced by a sort of collective policing...


There is a vast difference between carefully and consistently instilling core values with love and preaching how to "properly" behave.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:23:05   #
rumitoid
 
Seth wrote:
Again, such things as sensitivity in what one says or in ones descriptives when discussing others, good, bad or indifferent, should still be left up to the individual, not regulated by some level of government, for, among other reasons, the human nature perspective: once any body of government is given the power to police speech, it is inevitable that free speech will shrink until it becomes non-existent and the penalties for violating PC statutes will become extreme.

This has been proven every time a government has had any degree of speech policing authority.

There is also a double standard in play within our own political structure.

How do you think Trump supporters who liked what he was saying during his campaign felt when Hillary Clinton referred to them (us) as "deplorables?" Where was the sensitivity or, for that matter, criticism of her remarks from the political correctness advocates on the left?

Where were those same champions of hurt feelings, sensitivity and political correctness when Barack Obama made his comments about those who "cling to religion and guns?"

Was that "different?"

Sorry, but the entire political correctness argument seems to be profoundly one-sided, its goal being, ultimately, to silence those of us on the conservative side of the political divide.
Again, such things as sensitivity in what one says... (show quote)


Nothing is being regulated by "some level of government" : where did you get that odd statement? Or maybe you are referring to the infringements on the 1st Amendment enacted into law, such as those making plagiarism and libel illegal. That is true.

What you seem to overlook in all your comments is that your objection against the Left's objection to what they may deem h**eful or incitement to violence speech can be seen as just as oppressive, or for what it truly is on both sides: Free Speech.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:25:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is a vast difference between carefully and consistently instilling core values with love and preaching how to "properly" behave.


Agreed

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Mar 18, 2019 22:36:59   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
Nothing is being regulated by "some level of government" : where did you get that odd statement? Or maybe you are referring to the infringements on the 1st Amendment enacted into law, such as those making plagiarism and libel illegal. That is true.

What you seem to overlook in all your comments is that your objection against the Left's objection to what they may deem h**eful or incitement to violence speech can be seen as just as oppressive, or for what it truly is on both sides: Free Speech.
Nothing is being regulated by "some level of ... (show quote)


My reference was to past societies that have regulated free speech, such as C*******t countries and self-styled socialist countries.

However, we see the roots of such phenomenon beginning here in America as the political left defines areas of conservative and Judeo-Christian belief that disagree with certain "liberal" based agendas as "h**e speech," much of this gaining momentum in state judiciary circles (for example, Oregon and Colorado).

A slippery slope has begun to manifest itself, more "boiling frog" activity from the port side of the political equation.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:39:00   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Agreed


Thank you and this is off the point, somewhat. The problem with the parental tactic of reward and punishment is that it works at the surface and not in the heart. We are being taught to be correct, on the ruling side, or else. The seeds of values are not usually given ground. In such an either/or existence, the child most often learns cleverness and avoidance, not what is best or good. Many naturally create a facade, a workable front. That is just smart: who wants to be hurt or embarrassed? Plus the acceptance is very pleasing. And can become all that really matters. Just a thought to consider.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:47:49   #
rumitoid
 
Seth wrote:
My reference was to past societies that have regulated free speech, such as C*******t countries and self-styled socialist countries.

However, we see the roots of such phenomenon beginning here in America as the political left defines areas of conservative and Judeo-Christian belief that disagree with certain "liberal" based agendas as "h**e speech," much of this gaining momentum in state judiciary circles (for example, Oregon and Colorado).

A slippery slope has begun to manifest itself, more "boiling frog" activity from the port side of the political equation.
My reference was to past societies that have regul... (show quote)


I agree with you there, Seth: this calling people of faith homophobes or h**ers based on their faith is repugnant. That definitely falls into an attempt to stifle free speech. Or make them caricatures of ignorant superstition, not worth respecting or noticing. That is just wrong.

I also agree that the "slippery slope" has begun, but yet I feel this movement comes from both sides despite the attitude against Christians. "Boiling frogs" seems the new fast food of politics.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:48:41   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Okay, Rose. As your base disagreement about PC is that "The left doesn’t have to be worried about inciting r****m and division - it is condoned," very little left to say.

If you have read my comments before on this topic, and on this thread, I thoroughly agree with you that "when it becomes uncomfortable that the real test begins" and nearly any speaker should be allowed to address the student body. Notable exceptions may be infants, the dead, and the like.


No i haven’t read your comments on it before. Bit this -

“Outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric is encouraged as being just forthright, exalted as a breathe of fresh air by the GOP,“

Is patently ridiculous. I have no love for the GOP and am not a member but your claim is dishonest.

Political correctness is everyone’s enemy as is the progressivism that spawned it.

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Mar 18, 2019 22:52:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you and this is off the point, somewhat. The problem with the parental tactic of reward and punishment is that it works at the surface and not in the heart. We are being taught to be correct, on the ruling side, or else. The seeds of values are not usually given ground. In such an either/or existence, the child most often learns cleverness and avoidance, not what is best or good. Many naturally create a facade, a workable front. That is just smart: who wants to be hurt or embarrassed? Plus the acceptance is very pleasing. And can become all that really matters. Just a thought to consider.
Thank you and this is off the point, somewhat. The... (show quote)


Would make a good thread...
As a father of a young child I am always looking for advice and viewpoints...

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Mar 18, 2019 23:17:58   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
No i haven’t read your comments on it before. Bit this -

“Outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric is encouraged as being just forthright, exalted as a breathe of fresh air by the GOP,“

Is patently ridiculous. I have no love for the GOP and am not a member but your claim is dishonest.

Political correctness is everyone’s enemy as is the progressivism that spawned it.


T***h is what it is, Rose. "“Outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric is encouraged as being just forthright, exalted as a breathe of fresh air by the GOP.“ Not all yet yes by many. I am about to play some online relaxing golf but I will show you in verifiable quotes tomorrow this is fact. Or you can google something like "have any republicans stated or implied outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric? But what often happens with such search results by the Right is deflections, such as "my comments were misunderstood, taken out of context, blown out of proportion, a joke, poorly worded," and so forth. Here is an example: To say "welfare queen" to the Right is not r****t but the simple description of a problem in our entitlement programs. When the Left objects, they are labeled whiny PC wimps. "They just can't take talking straight."

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Mar 18, 2019 23:21:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
T***h is what it is, Rose. "“Outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric is encouraged as being just forthright, exalted as a breathe of fresh air by the GOP.“ Not all yet yes by many. I am about to play some online relaxing golf but I will show you in verifiable quotes tomorrow this is fact. Or you can google something like "have any republicans stated or implied outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric? But what often happens with such search results by the Right is deflections, such as "my comments were misunderstood, taken out of context, blown out of proportion, a joke, poorly worded," and so forth. Here is an example: To say "welfare queen" to the Right is not r****t but the simple description of a problem in our entitlement programs. When the Left objects, they are labeled whiny PC wimps.
T***h is what it is, Rose. "“Outright xenopho... (show quote)


What is wrong with the term 'welfare queen'?
Not all, but many welfare users are not in dire need and are meerly taking advantage of the system....

Sorry... Just reread the first part...
Relax and enjoy the golf...
See you tomorrow....

Your friend, Kyle

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Mar 18, 2019 23:56:04   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
T***h is what it is, Rose. "“Outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric is encouraged as being just forthright, exalted as a breathe of fresh air by the GOP.“ Not all yet yes by many. I am about to play some online relaxing golf but I will show you in verifiable quotes tomorrow this is fact. Or you can google something like "have any republicans stated or implied outright xenophobic, Islamophobic, r****t, and anti-gay rhetoric? But what often happens with such search results by the Right is deflections, such as "my comments were misunderstood, taken out of context, blown out of proportion, a joke, poorly worded," and so forth. Here is an example: To say "welfare queen" to the Right is not r****t but the simple description of a problem in our entitlement programs. When the Left objects, they are labeled whiny PC wimps. "They just can't take talking straight."
T***h is what it is, Rose. "“Outright xenopho... (show quote)


Cherry picking quotes won’t make your opinion true. You’re like the right with its ‘democrats h**e America’ silliness

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Mar 19, 2019 00:01:20   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
What is wrong with the term 'welfare queen'?
Not all, but many welfare users are not in dire need and are meerly taking advantage of the system....

Sorry... Just reread the first part...
Relax and enjoy the golf...
See you tomorrow....

Your friend, Kyle


Did Reagan make a distinction between mothers truly in need of assistance and honest and those abusing the system? No. It was a dog whistle to find all of welfare nefarious and wrong. Bottom feeders taking advantage of the system and stealing tax payer dollars. Similar phrases by the Right have been used for decades to stoke up their base, but want to claim they are plain spoken folks telling it like it is. Which is in a way true, to r****t.

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Mar 19, 2019 00:03:12   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
Cherry picking quotes won’t make your opinion true. You’re like the right with its ‘democrats h**e America’ silliness


An example of outright r****m by the president of the United States at that time is not cherry-picking: it is illustrative of the GOP.

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Mar 19, 2019 00:09:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Did Reagan make a distinction between mothers truly in need of assistance and honest and those abusing the system? No. It was a dog whistle to find all of welfare nefarious and wrong. Bottom feeders taking advantage of the system and stealing tax payer dollars. Similar phrases by the Right have been used for decades to stoke up their base, but want to claim they are plain spoken folks telling it like it is. Which is in a way true, to r****t.


Sorry Rumi...
Reagan was before my time...

Some of them are bottom feeders....

Got myself a bottom feeder cousin back home... Shames the whole family...

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