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Trump Will Only Get A Few Vetoes Before He Is Smacked Down...That's A Dangerous Game
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Mar 14, 2019 16:08:49   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipartisan issue, and a veto will be challenged at some point, perhaps the next bipartisan bill which is the rebuke of legislative war powers authority. Congress wants it's control back and the senate isn't happy about Trump policies in Yemen and with the Saudi's, among other unfavorable foreign war policy issues.

When the first veto he makes is overturned he is a dead duck because legitimate impeachment grounds will result in the senate having 2/3rds.

Congress wants it's control back that had been given up by the GOP, and the senate is going to be forced to follow suit, the optics look too bad if they don't exercise their control over the executive branch.

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Mar 14, 2019 16:19:16   #
proud republican (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipartisan issue, and a veto will be challenged at some point, perhaps the next bipartisan bill which is the rebuke of legislative war powers authority. Congress wants it's control back and the senate isn't happy about Trump policies in Yemen and with the Saudi's, among other unfavorable foreign war policy issues.

When the first veto he makes is overturned he is a dead duck because legitimate impeachment grounds will result in the senate having 2/3rds.

Congress wants it's control back that had been given up by the GOP, and the senate is going to be forced to follow suit, the optics look too bad if they don't exercise their control over the executive branch.
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipar... (show quote)


His first veto is NOT going to be overturned!!!!.....What legitimate impeachment grounds????..Even Pelosi is staying faaaar away from impeachment!!!....

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Mar 14, 2019 16:49:32   #
bahmer (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
His first veto is NOT going to be overturned!!!!.....What legitimate impeachment grounds????..Even Pelosi is staying faaaar away from impeachment!!!....


Amen and Amen

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Mar 14, 2019 16:50:12   #
Larry the Legend (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipartisan issue

woodguru wrote:
Defectors

In politics, a defector is a person who gives up allegiance to one state in exchange for allegiance to another, in a way which is considered illegitimate by the first state. Are you implying that there are separate governing bodies in our Federal government? That there are people who consider themselves allied or duty bound to some entity other that the United States in our government?

woodguru wrote:
[A]nd a veto will be challenged at some point, perhaps the next bipartisan bill which is the rebuke of legislative war powers authority.

Presidential vetoes are not 'challenged'. They are overridden. The only way Congress can override a Presidential veto is to pass the legislation for a second time with a 2/3 majority in each chamber. At that point, the President is 'overridden' and the legislation becomes law over his objections.

woodguru wrote:
Congress wants it's control back and the senate isn't happy about Trump policies in Yemen and with the Saudi's, among other unfavorable foreign war policy issues.

Sadly, for you anyway, Congress does not set foreign policy, the President does. That's part of his function as President. If you had ever read the Constitution all this is based on, you would know this. So how does Congress regain control over something it never controlled in the first place?

woodguru wrote:
When the first veto he makes is overturned he is a dead duck because legitimate impeachment grounds will result in the senate having 2/3rds.

That makes absolutely zero sense. What does overriding a Presidential veto have to do with grounds for impeachment? Do you think that the President disagreeing with an act of Congress and being overridden is somehow an equivalent? Did you 'take your meds' today?

woodguru wrote:
Congress wants it's control back that had been given up by the GOP, and the senate is going to be forced to follow suit, the optics look too bad if they don't exercise their control over the executive branch.

Again, there's that pesky Constitution getting in the way of Congress ordering the executive around. Just think, if we didn't have all these so-called 'patriots' throwing these old, worn-out 250 year old ideas around, we could have a modern government with modern problems instead of the stability we have enjoyed since inception. Who do they think they are, telling us what is legal and what isn't? How dare they?

What you need to do is first and foremost, read this, and pay special attention to Article II:

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

Okay, did you read it? Good, now go back and read it again, and keep reading it until you can see why the President is not beholden to a bunch of scallywags sitting in the chambers of Congress. Just keep going over it, you'll 'get it' eventually.

Now, is there anything else I can help you with today?

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Mar 14, 2019 16:51:24   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
His first veto is NOT going to be overturned!!!!.....What legitimate impeachment grounds????..Even Pelosi is staying faaaar away from impeachment!!!....


I didn't say his first one, there is a rebuke and taking back control of foreign policy with the vote on Yemen, and how about the unanimous house vote to release the Mueller investigation to the public? Unanimous in the house, what do you think that means for the senate? How will Trump feel about signing that little killer about Mueller's report being made public as opposed to having Barr hide everything that isn't specifically about collusion... when it's pretty clear that the white house using Barr fully intends to refuse to release parts of the investigation?

Pelosi used double speak, and said "unless clear evidence comes out", and unless there is republican support... two wild cards. In no way do I read that as you stated that Pelosi is staying Faaar away. The house is being careful and putting the evidence together on what we already know.

Whitaker just recanted his original denial about Trump asking him about replacing NY prosecutors and said he did, that is hardcore obstruction. Trump has done dozens of impeachable things, the fact that the GOP basically will not support any of it is what saves him. My point was that the more defectors he has in the senate and house the more will support an impeachment if the reasons are clearly supported that he violated clear laws.

He has clearly violated laws about lying to the public and that is impeachable. Tell me he didn't lie about the affair with the porn star... then no NDA... then not knowing how it was paid for... then knowing Cohen paid for it... Those lies are impeachable offenses.

What you don't realize is that Pelosi is playing the long game, the constant damage being done to Trump is being done to the GOP because they failed to do anything about it for two years. Everything they get their hands on that was suppressed by the GOP, every witness they call that the GOP refused to hold accountable for the truth that comes out is another cut closer and closer to the election. By the time we get into 2020 they will be bleeding a thousand cuts, Pelosi can afford to wait until the GOP sends the signal that they've had enough.

This whole year is going to get uglier and uglier as it becomes apparent that the GOP has covered for Trump rather than do their jobs.

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Mar 14, 2019 16:53:45   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Again, there's that pesky Constitution getting in the way of Congress ordering the executive around. Just think, if we didn't have all these so-called 'patriots' throwing these old, worn-out 250 year old ideas around, we could have a modern government with modern problems instead of the stability we have enjoyed since inception. Who do they think they are, telling us what is legal and what isn't? How dare they?

What you need to do is first and foremost, read this, and pay special attention to Article II:

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

Okay, did you read it? Good, now go back and read it again, and keep reading it until you can see why the President is not beholden to a bunch of scallywags sitting in the chambers of Congress. Just keep going over it, you'll 'get it' eventually.

Now, is there anything else I can help you with today?
Again, there's that pesky Constitution getting in ... (show quote)


That pesky constitution says that congress and the senate, otherwise known as the legislative branch are equal to the executive. When the executive steps out of line it is actually their duty to reign him in.

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Mar 14, 2019 16:56:45   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Again, there's that pesky Constitution getting in the way of Congress ordering the executive around. Just think, if we didn't have all these so-called 'patriots' throwing these old, worn-out 250 year old ideas around, we could have a modern government with modern problems instead of the stability we have enjoyed since inception. Who do they think they are, telling us what is legal and what isn't? How dare they?

What you need to do is first and foremost, read this, and pay special attention to Article II:

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

Okay, did you read it? Good, now go back and read it again, and keep reading it until you can see why the President is not beholden to a bunch of scallywags sitting in the chambers of Congress. Just keep going over it, you'll 'get it' eventually.

Now, is there anything else I can help you with today?
Again, there's that pesky Constitution getting in ... (show quote)


It's just woody's wishful thinking.

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Mar 14, 2019 17:23:32   #
waldowales
 
bahmer--Thank you so much for your thoughtful and profound post.

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Mar 14, 2019 17:32:53   #
son of witless (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipartisan issue, and a veto will be challenged at some point, perhaps the next bipartisan bill which is the rebuke of legislative war powers authority. Congress wants it's control back and the senate isn't happy about Trump policies in Yemen and with the Saudi's, among other unfavorable foreign war policy issues.

When the first veto he makes is overturned he is a dead duck because legitimate impeachment grounds will result in the senate having 2/3rds.

Congress wants it's control back that had been given up by the GOP, and the senate is going to be forced to follow suit, the optics look too bad if they don't exercise their control over the executive branch.
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipar... (show quote)


Go right ahead and impeach President Donald Full Time Jobs. Trump. Let the House do it. It will fail in the Senate and Democrats will get burned. No you guys go right ahead.

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Mar 14, 2019 17:35:03   #
bahmer (a regular here)
 
waldowales wrote:
bahmer--Thank you so much for your thoughtful and profound post.


Your welcome.

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Mar 14, 2019 18:12:49   #
padremike
 
woodguru wrote:
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipartisan issue, and a veto will be challenged at some point, perhaps the next bipartisan bill which is the rebuke of legislative war powers authority. Congress wants it's control back and the senate isn't happy about Trump policies in Yemen and with the Saudi's, among other unfavorable foreign war policy issues.

When the first veto he makes is overturned he is a dead duck because legitimate impeachment grounds will result in the senate having 2/3rds.

Congress wants it's control back that had been given up by the GOP, and the senate is going to be forced to follow suit, the optics look too bad if they don't exercise their control over the executive branch.
Defectors are going to be growing with every bipar... (show quote)


You are so easy to dismiss. However, on this occasion I would remind you that it was Obama who declared, in his contempt for Congress, that he needed only his pen and a phone.

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Mar 14, 2019 18:38:21   #
Larry the Legend (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
How will Trump feel about signing that little killer about Mueller's report being made public as opposed to having Barr hide everything that isn't specifically about collusion...

That was a non-binding resolution. Presidents don't sign resolutions, they're not executables like acts or bills. In any case, I'm sure he's just fine with it, as are the rest of us. I'm going to enjoy watching how they react when there's no 'there' there.

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Mar 14, 2019 18:40:37   #
Larry the Legend (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
That pesky constitution says that congress and the senate, otherwise known as the legislative branch are equal to the executive. When the executive steps out of line it is actually their duty to reign him in.

Most certainly. Just like the President can call out any unconstitutional action by the Congress or the judicial branch. It's called legal action. When someone breaks a law, they are subject to legal action and the branches of government are no different, though you might be led to think differently the way they act.

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