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Mar 14, 2019 11:44:12   #
woodguru
 
byronglimish wrote:
Only our enemies want to disarm law abiding citizens.


Actually, and you really do need to understand the dynamics here...

Dems... and a whole lot of them support the right to have guns, they have a lot of guns themselves. Because they support sensible gun controls does not mean they will not be on the side that objects to having guns seized and taken in a martial action, I myself and millions of others will.

Democrats as politicians have a strong core of gun supporting politicians, they staunchly oppose bills that go too far. Fighting every single move for sensible gun control is creating the wave of public opinion that will push harder and harder against resistance to everything sensible...

Understand that and be part of the effort to keep things sensible, ignore that and trigger martial law and losing guns.

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Mar 14, 2019 12:04:36   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually, and you really do need to understand the dynamics here...

Dems... and a whole lot of them support the right to have guns, they have a lot of guns themselves. Because they support sensible gun controls does not mean they will not be on the side that objects to having guns seized and taken in a martial action, I myself and millions of others will.

Democrats as politicians have a strong core of gun supporting politicians, they staunchly oppose bills that go too far. Fighting every single move for sensible gun control is creating the wave of public opinion that will push harder and harder against resistance to everything sensible...

Understand that and be part of the effort to keep things sensible, ignore that and trigger martial law and losing guns.
Actually, and you really do need to understand the... (show quote)


In reality thats not true of democrat leadership. They have a strong core of just the opposite and they have tried putting the squeeze on from multiple directions - for example Obama banning lead ammo. Individual members of the democrat party are different but the leadership can’t be trusted to do what’s right. Neither can.

The democrat party individuals buy into false rhetoric without looking at the big picture.

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Mar 14, 2019 12:22:32   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
In reality thats not true of democrat leadership. They have a strong core of just the opposite and they have tried putting the squeeze on from multiple directions - for example Obama banning lead ammo. Individual members of the democrat party are different but the leadership can’t be trusted to do what’s right. Neither can.

The democrat party individuals buy into false rhetoric without looking at the big picture.




That's right there is spot on Rose!

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Mar 14, 2019 12:26:53   #
Kevyn
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
UK Population = 66 million

US Population = 327 million.

Do the math.......... Goober.


I did dummy, other than the actual number of gun murders the stats are based on proportion of population.

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Mar 14, 2019 12:35:12   #
Kevyn
 
4430 wrote:
So Kevy why did you avoid posting about all the knife attacks in the UK !

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251268/london-stabbings-2018-clapham-shepherds-bush-crouch-hill-kingsland-hammersmith-greenwich-latest/

ENDLESS KNIFE CRIME London stabbings 2018 – latest knife crime
statistics and attacks in Clapham, Crouch Hill, Hammersmith and Greenwich

Dozens of people have been fatally stabbed in the capital since the
beginning of this year as latest figures show knife crime has soared to
seven-year high

By Sofia Petkar and Jon Rogers
6th January 2019, 3:08 pm
Updated: 6th January 2019, 3:14 pm

STABBINGS in the capital have risen 16 per cent in 2018 as knife crime
surges across the UK.

As violent attacks spread from cities to the Home Counties, The Sun
Online takes a look at the harrowing statistics that are increasing by
the day.

Knife crime in Britain is on the rise - with London especially seeing
unprecedented numbers of stabbings

Knife crime in Britain is on the rise - with London especially seeing
unprecedented numbers of stabbings
How many stabbings have there been in London this year?


Figures from London's Metropolitan police showed that knife crime has
surged by 16 per cent in the capital — as Britain's crime epidemic
continues.

Excluding those k**led in terror attacks like London Bridge, Westminster
and Manchester, there was still a 12 per cent rise in murders — the
highest numbers in a decade.

The total number of offences involving a knife or bladed instrument that
have been recorded by cops in the year to March 2018 rose to 40,147, a
seven-year-high.

There were 1,299 stabbings in London up to the end of April, according
to official statistics from the Met Police.

A glut of cocaine flooding the country has been partly blamed for the
country's violent crime.

In February more than 250 knives and swords were seized across London in
just one week and 283 people, many of them teenagers, were arrested for
carrying them.

By August, stabbings were reported on a nearly daily basis as the summer
stabbing spree continued.

Two men in their 20s were found with "slash wounds" in Kensington High
Street in West London on June 11.

On the same day, a man in his early 20s was left fighting for his life
after being stabbed in Bermondsey, South London.

And on June 12, a man in his 20s was knifed outside Tesco in Kensington,
West London, and taken to hospital with stab wounds.

Five days later, a 15-year-old was rushed to hospital after being
stabbed multiple times in South East London.

On July 2 a teenage boy was stabbed in the stomach with a 10-inch
kitchen knife on a busy Islington street.

Ten days later Katerina Makunova, 17, was found dead in a block of flats
in Camberwell after a broad daylight attack.

Witnesses desperately tried to give her first aid before paramedics
arrived but she was pronounced dead less than an hour later.

A man believed to be in his 40s was stabbed inside a Leicester Square
casino on July 16. The incident took place just before 5pm.

London's air ambulance service flew a man to hospital after he was
stabbed in Mill Hill, North London on July 22.

On August 1, a 23-year-old was stabbed to death in Camberwell.

The victim, who was rapper in the drill group Moscow17, was identified
only by his stage name, Incognito.

Two other men were also stabbed and were taken to hospital.

On August 5, 2018, a man in his 20s was found dead with multiple knife
wounds in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames.

On August 17, a teen was "disembowelled with a machete" in Camberwell in
a 30-strong gang fight.

And that same day a 42-year-old man was stabbed to death in Waltham
Forest, East London, leading to the arrest of a 16-year-old boy and a
35-year-old woman.

On August 24, a 23-year-old was left in critical condition after being
knifed in Tulse Hill, South London in a broad daylight attack.

The same day a woman in her 60s was stabbed on Char**t Close around
9.50pm and was taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

Murder squad detectives are investigating whether an attack on a man who
was stabbed to death could have been sparked by a row breaking out in a
nearby bar.

Zakaria Bukar Sharif Ali, 26, was acting as a "peacemaker" as he stepped
in to calm down an argument before being murdered in Shoreditch, East
London.
The most recent stabbing occurred in Romford, where a teen was stabbed
outside a Lidl supermarket
Paul Edwards - The Sun
2
The most recent stabbing occurred in Romford, where a teen was stabbed
outside a Lidl supermarket

On Sunday, August 26, a 57-year-old woman was stabbed several times at
around 8.30pm and was taken to hospital, but her injuries were not
believed to be life threatening.

On August 27, Ivor Collingwood-Williams, 36 of Bow, was charged with two
counts of grievous bodily harm with intent and two counts of possession
of an offensive weapon.

The same day a man was stabbed on the final day of the Notting Hill
Carnival.

On August 28, a man in his 30s was rushed to hospital with knife wounds
after a street fight in Camden, North London at 1.30am.

On September 5, a teen was rushed to hospital after receiving multiple
stab wounds in a knife attack in Islington.

On November 2, a 17-year-old boy died after being stabbed outside
Clapham South Tube station in front of horrified commuters. Malcolm
Mide-Madariola, from Peckham, was rushed to a hospital in South London
but was pronounced dead shortly after. A 17-year-old boy was later
charged with murder and two other men, both 18, were arrested on
suspicion of murder.

On Bonfire Night, November 5, 2018, a 16-year-old boy, named as John
Ogunjobi, was stabbed to death in Tulse Hill, South London.

The teenager's death marked the 250th fatal stabbing in the UK.

He was known to be a local drill rapper called JaySav and a part of a
gang called Lower Tulse Hill (LTH) who rapped about drugs and violence.

On November 10, a man in his 30s was rushed to hospital after being
stabbed in Crouch Hill, North London.

The man was rushed to hospital for treatment, but police later said his
injuries were not life threatening.

On November 19, four men in their 20s were found with stab wounds in
Edmonton.

On November 20, a teen was rushed to hospital after being stabbed in
broad daylight outside a Lidl supermarket in Romford.

Three days later a British T***sport Police officer was knifed outside
Ilford Station at 9.45pm.

The officer was rushed to hospital by the London Ambulance Service for
his injuries, which are not thought to be life-threatening.

A man has been arrested and police are asking for witnesses to get in touch.

On November 24, a man in his 20s was fatally stabbed in Hackney as he
tried to defuse a fight outside a bar.

On December 8 an 18-year-old man was k**led in a stabbing in Greenwich.

Aron Warren, named locally as Aron Murray, was stabbed at around 9.40pm,
inside a flat and died 40 minutes later.

On December 11, Jay Sewell, 18, was knifed to death in South London. The
bloodshed saw five people arrested. It came just days after Aron Warren,
also 18, was murdered three miles away in Greenwich.

And on December 22, a man was stabbed to death in Haringey, North London
and died later in hospital.

The following day, A 25-year-old man was stabbed in Tottenham, North
London at about 1.20am and died at the hospital.

Then, on December 27, a 16-year-old was stabbed in Hendon, North London.

On December 31, a victim believed to be in his mid-30s was taken to
hospital with life-threatening injuries after being stabbed in Hammersmith.
Stabbings in London in 2018
So Kevy why did you avoid posting about all the kn... (show quote)


Compare this with our cities like Detroit that are a tenth the size of London with a violent crime rate many times higher. Detroit is a great example to prove you wrong. Open carry is allowed in Detroit, you can walk down any street in town with two Desert Eagles strapped to your hips and a Kalashnikov slung over your shoulder and it will just make you a more lucrative target.

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Mar 14, 2019 12:48:43   #
Rose42
 
Kevyn wrote:
Compare this with our cities like Detroit that are a tenth the size of London with a violent crime rate many times higher. Detroit is a great example to prove you wrong. Open carry is allowed in Detroit, you can walk down any street in town with two Desert Eagles strapped to your hips and a Kalashnikov slung over your shoulder and it will just make you a more lucrative target.


There is no documented evidence that open carry makes you a target. You example is childish since only an i***t would do that.

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Mar 14, 2019 13:18:22   #
Kevyn
 
Rose42 wrote:
There is no documented evidence that open carry makes you a target. You example is childish since only an i***t would do that.


There is no shortage of right wing i***ts.





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Mar 14, 2019 13:31:45   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Kevyn wrote:
Compare this with our cities like Detroit that are a tenth the size of London with a violent crime rate many times higher. Detroit is a great example to prove you wrong. Open carry is allowed in Detroit, you can walk down any street in town with two Desert Eagles strapped to your hips and a Kalashnikov slung over your shoulder and it will just make you a more lucrative target.


Yo, Eaditt, styfle!...How about you go into a ghetto near you, and actually recognize where the overbearing statistics come from in any big city, even someone sporting a "liberal, progressively limited, situational awareness capacity program" as you yourself opererate in and on,... would soon be enlightened.

I had the opportunity to chat with a German Prog..a while back.

He told me that, we in the states do not get the news of terrorist attacks that are ongoing and avoided by the American press.

People who are shot with 22'S and small arms, who are sometimes just standing in their own doorways and get shot, by your brothers in arms..Islam!!

Or the muggings and assault robberies, that didn't used to be.

And here's one that was disheartening for this authentic German citizen...he had acquaintances who have been gang raped and males sodomized.

See Eaditt, just like in this nation, not all crime is reported.

This German tourist, who said that he and his nation where just waiting out Trump, when I wanted to know his political guild..also said in no uncertain terms, "Americans are lucky to have arms rights, or else you could be like us"

L*****ts have been mentally gelded and talked out of their testosterone of self preservation.

With how the underlying agenda of the Progs in this Nation, is to nuke our sovereignty and introduce outside Chaos, Confusion, and Dangerous streets even in peaceful neighborhoods as the results.

Once people like you Eaditt, have helped o*******w law and order here, your brothers in arms, will cut you down like dumb animals.

The freedoms that you oppose are your own!

This gentleman German lives 40 miles out of Hamburg, and will not go into that city after dark.

He told me of the little bombings in grocery stores and other places not deemed newsworthy.

These hidden crimes would obviously raise the numbers of the true danger and potential victimhood poised against Europe.

Your statistics are incomplete and therefore skewed, Eaditt!

They could be reassigned as rubbish!

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Mar 14, 2019 13:36:02   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is no shortage of right wing i***ts.


Yo E, again...styfle! Nobody at all is alarmed by the sentry in the market picture, look in the background.

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Mar 14, 2019 13:36:07   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Kevyn wrote:
Compare this with our cities like Detroit that are a tenth the size of London with a violent crime rate many times higher. Detroit is a great example to prove you wrong. Open carry is allowed in Detroit, you can walk down any street in town with two Desert Eagles strapped to your hips and a Kalashnikov slung over your shoulder and it will just make you a more lucrative target.


You can take all the guns away from law abiding citizens as well as taking all knives away from law abiding citizens and criminals will still find something to k**l someone !

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Mar 14, 2019 14:49:50   #
Rose42
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is no shortage of right wing i***ts.


Or left wing i***ts. Gavin Newsom is a prime example of a left wing i***t. Claiming that picture is the new normal in Texas is good old fashioned lying. Newsom is very good at that.

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Mar 14, 2019 15:01:48   #
woodguru
 
Rose42 wrote:
In reality thats not true of democrat leadership. They have a strong core of just the opposite and they have tried putting the squeeze on from multiple directions - for example Obama banning lead ammo. Individual members of the democrat party are different but the leadership can’t be trusted to do what’s right. Neither can.

The democrat party individuals buy into false rhetoric without looking at the big picture.


And what is your objection to banning lead ammo? Do you even know what the issues are?

Six little shotgun pellets will k**l a bird when they eat them, three will cause neurological problems that will incapacitate a bird to where they will be k**led. By the way, my wife is a bird veterinarian, I'm pretty sure she knows more about it, and I've seen enough cases to know what it does.

Right wingers are completely ignorant, they refuse to listen to science, and they simply do not care if they do. People have been making the switch to steel shot and surviving it...

This is the kind of issue the right makes a big deal about like the next step is "taking their guns".

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Mar 14, 2019 15:10:04   #
woodguru
 
Rose42 wrote:
In reality thats not true of democrat leadership. They have a strong core of just the opposite and they have tried putting the squeeze on from multiple directions - for example Obama banning lead ammo. Individual members of the democrat party are different but the leadership can’t be trusted to do what’s right. Neither can.

The democrat party individuals buy into false rhetoric without looking at the big picture.


Dems helped pass laws that make it legal to carry in parks, are you aware that the Obama admin scored higher in pro gun legislation than the Bush admin did?

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Mar 14, 2019 15:16:36   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
And what is your objection to banning lead ammo? Do you even know what the issues are?


Of course I do.

Quote:
Six little shotgun pellets will k**l a bird when they eat them, three will cause neurological problems that will incapacitate a bird to where they will be k**led. By the way, my wife is a bird veterinarian, I'm pretty sure she knows more about it, and I've seen enough cases to know what it does.


Right. Of course she is. Or you have a friend that is. Or a brother. Or a cousin.
I know what happens when they ingest lead.

Quote:
Right wingers are completely ignorant, they refuse to listen to science, and they simply do not care if they do. People have been making the switch to steel shot and surviving it...


You invariably end up calling people ignorant which is interesting because you parrot a lot of party talking points. I know the science and I also know why they were banned. It wasn't at all about the environment - that was the spin so people would accept it. We've had lead bullets for many years now all of a sudden people care about its effects. Baloney.

It's all about making it more and more expensive to own guns inch by inch. It really is that simple. If people could easily afford switching they would. The anti-gun faction works the same way as animal rightists do. The latter I am very familiar with.

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This is the kind of issue the right makes a big deal about like the next step is "taking their guns".


That's because that is the ultimate goal. Too many on the left wear blinders to that agenda.

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Mar 14, 2019 17:25:27   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
4430 wrote:
Now in the de-armed UK they are have knife attacks which would less happening if they had access to conceal carry !


There wouldn't be so many knife attacks here under the same circumstances............it takes a modicum of intelligence to figure out which end to stab with, and a certain amount of courage to get close enough to actually stab someone. With a firearm, it'd be hard to shoot yourself when pointing at someone else, and absolutely no courage at all to k**l someone at a distance.

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