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Mar 14, 2019 23:21:30   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
RT friend wrote:
Sorry about that, but I was on OPP reading your post and I got a Samsung message and I was a bit overcome, I spent some time in Christchurch had no idea there were any Muslims living there

This will be a big deal, plugging up the Dems anti Trump for sure, here in Australia anyway, I expect also it to reported around the World instantly, the shooter is in custody white young blond guy, probably on drugs I think could be up to 15 people dead.
Sorry about that, but I was on OPP reading your ... (show quote)


Yes, another poster enlightened me to the fact that Christchurch is the name of a town.

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Mar 15, 2019 02:00:48   #
Sicilianthing (suspended)
 
RT friend wrote:
Sorry about that, but I was on OPP reading your post and I got a Samsung message and I was a bit overcome, I spent some time in Christchurch had no idea there were any Muslims living there

This will be a big deal, plugging up the Dems anti Trump for sure, here in Australia anyway, I expect also it to reported around the World instantly, the shooter is in custody white young blond guy, probably on drugs I think could be up to 15 people dead.
Sorry about that, but I was on OPP reading your ... (show quote)


>>>

Did he kill Muslims ?

Wooo hooooooo

Payback

Woooo hoooooo?

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Mar 15, 2019 09:33:18   #
okie don (a regular here)
 
47 or so Sici.
It's all over the news worldwide now.

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Mar 15, 2019 09:47:31   #
TrueAmerican (a regular here)
 
PeterS wrote:
What always gives me a grin about conservatives is that they are so ashamed of their own history that they will adopt liberal ideals and actions as their own all while denouncing what would be typical conservative behavior of the time. In today's conservatives mind, they are the abolitionists all while not understanding that as conservatives--by definition--they are tasked to maintaining status quo thus would be the Southern plantation owner--or siding with such--who were in a fight for their way of life.

JW and I got in this very debate several weeks ago where he took the position that historically conservatives were the ones who were progressive and were responsible for pushing for change throughout the history of this country. According to JW, conservatives thumbed your noses as status quo--at tradition--and instead stood up for change whether in the creation of this country, the civil war and freeing of the slaves, standing against Jim Crow laws, standing FOR workers rights and child labor laws. Standing for women's rights etc, etc, etc.

Now I understand why JW is taking the position that he is taking--if he didn't then he would have to admit that historically conservatives were the racists and the bigots...and the ones who were trying to maintain racism and bigotry as a tradition in this country then...and today.

And as our countries number one bigot likes to say...that's just sad...
What always gives me a grin about conservatives is... (show quote)


The only one who appears confused is you !!!!!!

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Mar 15, 2019 09:52:50   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
In my world there is no hate...
Some anger and judgement...
But no hate...
Each of us creates his own world...
Love conquers all


There should be some hate - a hatred for evil and sin.

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Mar 15, 2019 10:36:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
There should be some hate - a hatred for evil and sin.


Disagree...
Hate is a sin...
One does not cancel out sin with sin...
But with love...

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Mar 15, 2019 10:55:56   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Disagree...
Hate is a sin...
One does not cancel out sin with sin...
But with love...


Hatred of evil and sin is not sin. We hate sin by refusing to condone it. God hates sin. If righteous hatred is a sin are you implying that God is sinning by hating all that is evil?

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Mar 15, 2019 11:06:45   #
bylm1-Bernie (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
Hatred of evil and sin is not sin. We hate sin by refusing to condone it. God hates sin. If righteous hatred is a sin are you implying that God is sinning by hating all that is evil?



Sounds like the basis for a good Theological discussion - maybe for Philosophy class.

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Mar 15, 2019 11:20:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
Hatred of evil and sin is not sin. We hate sin by refusing to condone it. God hates sin. If righteous hatred is a sin are you implying that God is sinning by hating all that is evil?


God is perfect...
We are not...
The refusal to condone sin is not hatred of the sin, but awareness of the danger posed by the sin...

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Mar 15, 2019 11:27:27   #
Sicilianthing (suspended)
 
okie don wrote:
47 or so Sici.
It's all over the news worldwide now.


>>>

Right ON !

Payback is going to become popular, works both ways, it’s called WAR

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Mar 15, 2019 11:28:30   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
God is perfect...
We are not...
The refusal to condone sin is not hatred of the sin, but awareness of the danger posed by the sin...


That is not a valid answer though. He commands us to love and we do. If He hates sin then why shouldn't we? Christians hate sin - they have to and it is right to do so. We are to become more like Christ - who is God. It is not logical to on the one hand love - which He does - but then not hate sin - which He also does.

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Mar 15, 2019 11:36:28   #
bylm1-Bernie (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
That is not a valid answer though. He commands us to love and we do. If He hates sin then why shouldn't we? Christians hate sin - they have to and it is right to do so. We are to become more like Christ - who is God. It is not logical to on the one hand love - which He does - but then not hate sin - which He also does.


I think we need a workable definition of hate here. I'm not sure if dislike is strong enough but I don't understand exactly how, if we love God and his precepts, it is wrong to hate sin as He does. Shouldn't our goal be to try to be more like Jesus who is God? Is the definition of hate 'intense dislike.? or worse.

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Mar 15, 2019 11:45:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
That is not a valid answer though. He commands us to love and we do. If He hates sin then why shouldn't we? Christians hate sin - they have to and it is right to do so. We are to become more like Christ - who is God. It is not logical to on the one hand love - which He does - but then not hate sin - which He also does.


God is the God of love...
We are not comnanded to be like Him, but to love Him...
If He wished us to be as Him, then we would be as Him...
He created us imperfectly for a reason..
Avoidance of sin and awareness of sin are fine... Hatred is not...

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Mar 15, 2019 11:47:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I think we need a workable definition of hate here. I'm not sure if dislike is strong enough but I don't understand exactly how, if we love God and his precepts, it is wrong to hate sin as He does. Shouldn't our goal be to try to be more like Jesus who is God? Is the definition of hate 'intense dislike.? or worse.


I agree...
Rose and I could very well be arguing over semantics...
Hate to me is the complete and utter condemnation of something... It is a form of ultimate judgement... And belongs only to God...

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Mar 15, 2019 11:52:35   #
bylm1-Bernie (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree...
Rose and I could very well be arguing over semantics...
Hate to me is the complete and utter condemnation of something... It is a form of ultimate judgement... And belongs only to God...


Makes sense, CD! I was just reading Romans 12:9 where Paul says, "Hate what is evil." Sometimes I think I don't hate it enough. Bernie

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