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Mar 14, 2019 11:38:34   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
You must be a lot younger than I, Slatts. I used to be that way too. In the last several years I have slowed down a lot on eating. I used to be able to lose 10 lbs anytime I wanted but lately, I get full with half a sandwich. I used to eat a whole 10 inch pizza but now I'm lucky to eat half. All-you-can-eat places are definitely a thing of the past for me. We still eat out a lot but have had to cut down the amount.

Well, I am careful as to what I eat and how much of certain items. But, I still eat quite a bit. Having been blessed with and still maintaining a reasonably high metabolism, I also remain quite active. Thus, I manage to keep things under control. I will be seventy years old the 15th of April and maintain a weight of just under/around 180 lbs. at 5' 9" in height. I rarely eat pizza, but will take on those of a vegetarian style...my favorite being spinach, onion and mushroom. For the most part, I stay away from fast-foods.

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Mar 14, 2019 14:30:00   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
I don’ have time to vet your dates but believe they are most likely true..

Gerrymandering is as old as voting itself and always comes into contention every 10 years by the party that lost.. Everyone likes it when it Helps their party but not when it does not..Challenged just recently the SC has made unfavorable ruling with for four states now.. You may wish to look it up.

Another to consider; what do you call this?? Do you support this form of suppression??

One of the ways that New York slams the door in the face of voters is the one-two punch of its closed primaries and its draconian party switch rules. Here's how it works.

A minority of states, including New York, still cling to party rules that exclude so-called independent voters from participating in the major parties' primaries. While these primaries may have been a step forward decades ago, when they replaced an even more exclusionary nomination process, they are now locking out huge number of Democratic voters. What are the impact of these rules?

Today in New York, if you are not registered to vote at all, you can register and declare a party affiliation about one month before the primary. If you're registered as an independent, but are so inspired by a candidate like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that you want to switch your party registration to Democratic, you'd better be a good planner. To vote in New York's federal Democratic primary -- which was held on June 26, 2018 -- you would have had to have switched your party registration by October 13, 2017.

That's right. You had to switch your registration more than eight months before the primary.

How much bigger would Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's victory have been if young people of all races could have easily enrolled in the Democratic party and been eligible to vote in the primary? And how many more candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could be elected? The machine knows the answer and so they suppress the vote. It is so obviously a tool of voter suppression that the national Democratic Unity reform commission - comprised of members picked by Clinton, Sanders and the DNC -- unanimously voted to authorize the DNC to sanction the New York Democratic Party.

Some inside the Democratic Party retort that only someone who signs up for the donkey-emblazoned membership card should be allowed to vote in the primaries even if it means young people and disproportionately young people of color are locked out. They ignore how strikingly similar this argument is to those Republicans use to justify onerous voter ID laws.

Incredibly, the fix is easy. There is no statutory change needed in New York to open up the Democratic primaries to independents. According to testimony from New York election officials, the New York Democratic Party can change the practice by simply asking that it be done. But just like red state disenfranchisers, machine politicians use voter suppression to stay in power. The same political cowardice that motivates Republicans who want a rigged election process motivates these antiquated rules in New York -- fear that in a fair fight the voters will choose someone else.

But the onerous registration process and split primaries are not the only tool of voter suppression and disenfranchisement that New York uses. The New York City Board of Elections, for instance, admitted that it illegally purged over 200,000 names from its voter rolls during litigation with the United States Justice Department and others.

The same is true of the embarrassingly early party switch deadline -- which is by far the longest in the country. There are policies designed by those who don't want to build and expand the Democratic Party but rather to control it and make it less responsive to its base and the needs of voters.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/19/opinions/democrats-need-reform-new-york-primary-weaver/index.html
I don’ have time to vet your dates but believe the... (show quote)


Well, there is two schools of thought on the party switching rules, one being that it is extremely inconvenient if you legitimately want to support a specific candidate in a party that you do not typical support, on the other hand, it may be to protect the integrity of the party in question's primaries. If one were so inclined, they may attempt to vote in an opposing party's primaries as a way to sabotage their chances in the elections, you pick the opposing party's very worst candidate and garner as much support from your fellow party members and go and vote in the opposing party's primaries for the candidate that you believe will be the least competition for your party's candidate. That would be very evil and contemptuous but I really wouldn't put it past some unsavory individuals to think it up and even to attempt it.

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Mar 14, 2019 14:41:04   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
If you really do not like to hear hate, then you probably should not listen to CNN or MSNBC or read anything from Media Matters or any of the leftist organizations. How you can ascribe hate to only right wing source is way beyond me. I would suggest you devote more time to Dinesh D'Souza. I don't think you will find any hate there, even to left wing activists, just pure logic. You seem to like to twist everything to your point of view which wouldn't surprise any of us on the right. If you don't see hate in Kevyn's posts, then we are done talking.
If you really do not like to hear hate, then you p... (show quote)


Actually, I have NEVER ascribed hate to only the right, I also don't do cable news, far too much sensationalism in cable news and that tends to include opinion over fact and in many cases perhaps even to include hate as well. Since I don't watch cable news, I would have to take other peoples word for whether or not there is much hate in the liberal cable news programs.

As for your asinine assumption that I don't see the hate in Kevyn's posts, you couldn't be further from the truth and you making that statement, well, that says more about you than it does about me. I have seen the hate in Kevyn's post and I have seen as much and more in many of the posters from the right. I have also noticed that the hate from posters on the left, tends to be mostly surgical, aimed at one individual or small groups of individuals and very rarely at any large masses, the hate from the right, some may be surgical, but all too often, the hate has all the surgical precision of a nuclear bomb.

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Mar 14, 2019 15:59:48   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
slatten49 wrote:
Well, I am careful as to what I eat and how much of certain items. But, I still eat quite a bit. Having been blessed with and still maintaining a reasonably high metabolism, I also remain quite active. Thus, I manage to keep things under control. I will be seventy years old the 15th of April and maintain a weight of just under/around 180 lbs. at 5' 9" in height. I rarely eat pizza, but will take on those of a vegetarian style...my favorite being spinach, onion and mushroom. For the most part, I stay away from fast-foods.
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I've got you by 10 years and 10 months and by 15 lbs. Maybe I should be more active. When I was 70 I still had a pretty good metabolism. Did a lot of canoeing and yard work. I tried a little bowling last month and almost fell on my face the first few times. Hang in there and stay active.

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Mar 14, 2019 20:47:09   #
Sicilianthing (suspended)
 
PeterS wrote:
What always gives me a grin about conservatives is that they are so ashamed of their own history that they will adopt liberal ideals and actions as their own all while denouncing what would be typical conservative behavior of the time. In today's conservatives mind, they are the abolitionists all while not understanding that as conservatives--by definition--they are tasked to maintaining status quo thus would be the Southern plantation owner--or siding with such--who were in a fight for their way of life.

JW and I got in this very debate several weeks ago where he took the position that historically conservatives were the ones who were progressive and were responsible for pushing for change throughout the history of this country. According to JW, conservatives thumbed your noses as status quo--at tradition--and instead stood up for change whether in the creation of this country, the civil war and freeing of the slaves, standing against Jim Crow laws, standing FOR workers rights and child labor laws. Standing for women's rights etc, etc, etc.

Now I understand why JW is taking the position that he is taking--if he didn't then he would have to admit that historically conservatives were the racists and the bigots...and the ones who were trying to maintain racism and bigotry as a tradition in this country then...and today.

And as our countries number one bigot likes to say...that's just sad...
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Whattabuncha CRAP !

Wtf dude seriously ?

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Mar 14, 2019 21:53:03   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Actually, I have NEVER ascribed hate to only the right, I also don't do cable news, far too much sensationalism in cable news and that tends to include opinion over fact and in many cases perhaps even to include hate as well. Since I don't watch cable news, I would have to take other peoples word for whether or not there is much hate in the liberal cable news programs.

As for your asinine assumption that I don't see the hate in Kevyn's posts, you couldn't be further from the truth and you making that statement, well, that says more about you than it does about me. I have seen the hate in Kevyn's post and I have seen as much and more in many of the posters from the right. I have also noticed that the hate from posters on the left, tends to be mostly surgical, aimed at one individual or small groups of individuals and very rarely at any large masses, the hate from the right, some may be surgical, but all too often, the hate has all the surgical precision of a nuclear bomb.
Actually, I have NEVER ascribed hate to only the r... (show quote)


I guess I've never broken hate down that far. I tend to think of hate as hate. Kind of like the SCOTUS justice said about pornography, I know it if I see it. I suppose it's like my dad used to say, it depends on whose ox is getting gored. I like to think that I never hate anyone. Sometimes I have serious dislikes for some things people say or do, but in the end, it's God who will judge, not I.

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Mar 14, 2019 21:53:07   #
RT friend
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Whattabuncha CRAP !

Wtf dude seriously ?


Breaking news, A gun man entered a Christchurch Mosque with an automatic rifle, many casualties reported, this could be the Christians in Christ's Church and the Muslims are being united against Terrorists, it sounds very ominous, perhaps it's time to drop the anti Muslim thing.

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Mar 14, 2019 21:55:15   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I guess I've never broken hate down that far. I tend to think of hate as hate. Kind of like the SCOTUS justice said about pornography, I know it if I see it. I suppose it's like my dad used to say, it depends on whose ox is getting gored. I like to think that I never hate anyone. Sometimes I have serious dislikes for some things people say or do, but in the end, it's God who will judge, not I.


In a perfect world, there would be no hate, a perfect world we will never see of course.

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Mar 14, 2019 21:58:48   #
Sicilianthing (suspended)
 
RT friend wrote:
Breaking news, A gun man entered a Christchurch Mosque with an automatic rifle, many casualties reported, this could be the Christians in Christ's Church and the Muslims are being united against Terrorists, it sounds very ominous, perhaps it's time to drop the anti Muslim thing.


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Huh? Where?
Do you have a link?
Drop anti Muslim why?
Wtf?

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Mar 14, 2019 21:59:01   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
In a perfect world, there would be no hate, a perfect world we will never see of course.


Some of us will, CSM. Will you?

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Mar 14, 2019 22:04:27   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
RT friend wrote:
Breaking news, A gun man entered a Christchurch Mosque with an automatic rifle, many casualties reported, this could be the Christians in Christ's Church and the Muslims are being united against Terrorists, it sounds very ominous, perhaps it's time to drop the anti Muslim thing.


Your statement I find somewhat confusing but I agree with what I believe you are saying. A few extremists claim to be Muslim and they are reading the Quran, just not as it was meant to be interpreted, and they paint the whole religion as bad. Is this "Christchurch Mosque" a Christian church or an Islamic church? Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ as a messiah but I haven't heard of Christian churches being called a mosque either.

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Mar 14, 2019 22:08:00   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Your statement I find somewhat confusing but I agree with what I believe you are saying. A few extremists claim to be Muslim and they are reading the Quran, just not as it was meant to be interpreted, and they paint the whole religion as bad. Is this "Christchurch Mosque" a Christian church or an Islamic church? Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ as a messiah but I haven't heard of Christian churches being called a mosque either.


I think he must be talking about a mosque in the city of Christchurch, NZ, since he is from NSW Australia. I may be wrong.

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Mar 14, 2019 22:20:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
In a perfect world, there would be no hate, a perfect world we will never see of course.


In my world there is no hate...
Some anger and judgement...
But no hate...
Each of us creates his own world...
Love conquers all

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Mar 14, 2019 22:25:40   #
RT friend
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Huh? Where?
Do you have a link?
Drop anti Muslim why?
Wtf?


Sorry about that, but I was on OPP reading your post and I got a Samsung message and I was a bit overcome, I spent some time in Christchurch had no idea there were any Muslims living there

This will be a big deal, plugging up the Dems anti Trump for sure, here in Australia anyway, I expect also it to reported around the World instantly, the shooter is in custody white young blond guy, probably on drugs I think could be up to 15 people dead.

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Mar 14, 2019 23:20:37   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
In my world there is no hate...
Some anger and judgement...
But no hate...
Each of us creates his own world...
Love conquers all


Well yes, we COULD all create a fantasy world where no hate permeates, but in the real world, there will still be hate. You may do your part to try and not let any hate out into the real world, but others will still be issuing their hate where they will.

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