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Mar 11, 2019 16:28:47   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Airforceone wrote:
I cannot understand your response tell me where Obamacare was a scheme you denigrate the entire legislation without posting your perceptions. If you have areas of the ACA that is a scheme please post your concerns and we can debate your concerns.
I can assure you I have changed but the 4 people on OPP that helped get me to a bad spot in my life are very difficult for me to respond they also need to change.


Name the four who are responsible for your problem......Tom.

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Mar 11, 2019 16:29:41   #
bahmer
 
proud republican wrote:
Wow,Airforceone...So sorry to hear about your son and im glad he is doing good now....I dont think we ever should attack kids or loved ones of people we disagree with...I accept your apology...It takes a big man to apologize.....
Wow,Airforceone...So sorry to hear about your son ... (show quote)


Amen and Amen same here. I didn't see eye to eye with you so my way of dealing with you and the situation that you were bringing to the table every day or every other day as it seemed was to simply ignore you and your posts. That was unkind on my part and so I in turn ask you to forgive me for not at least trying to understand your situation and feelings. I intend to stop ignoring you and your posts and at least give you the benefit of the doubt and read your posts. Hopefully I will be able to be more sensitive and more understanding. I lost my son at the age of nineteen do to a hit and run driver and I oh so hope that you can find your son a kidney. Thanks for that post Airforceone.

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Mar 11, 2019 16:30:28   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
no propaganda please wrote:
There are times when someone says something absurd and I really want to post what I think abut them and their nastiness. Sp I write out what I would say on a piece of paper, go out to clean the dog run and use what I wrote to pick up the turds, a turd for a turd so to speak. Then I take a walk as far as my gimpy arthritic legs will carry me. By then I am too damn tired to be really angry, particularly with someone I don't even know and, from their posts, I don't CARE to know. And I am tire enough to take a nap, and happy that I actually wake up later in time for dinner.
There are times when someone says something absurd... (show quote)


Great philosophy No P. Good advice for many of us here on OPP!

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Mar 11, 2019 16:43:57   #
Airforceone
 
woodguru wrote:
Your story defines part of the divide in this country, and it is the kind of people who are small in number that end up painting the group as a whole. Those who would put down someone in the position your son got caught in are truly despicable. There are millions of hard working people who were caught in the self employed and pre existing condition loophole that couldn't get healthcare. And we are divided by people who want to lump them with deadbeats.

My wife and I had an odyssey that wasn't nearly on the magnitude of yours prior to the ACA that involved pre existing conditions and losing insurance because of a loss to a business that my healthcare had been through.

She was able to get Kaiser with her business as a group plan situation. I was on COBRA and had 18 months to find an insurance plan. It became obvious after a year that the gall bladder removal and hiatal hernia surgeries I'd had were going to keep me from getting any insurance at any cost, there were no offers of even cost prohibitive plans. I had the broker who had set up our business group plans jumping through hoops. With only a few months left he started looking at creative ways to get me insurance. He told us that my wife needed to put me on her business as a paid consultant. I already was an unpaid consultant and did an array of things that increased her revenues, so it wasn't hard to uphold as reality if ever questioned.

We got Kaiser, and the plans were the very highest tiers with the lowest copays and maximums even in catastrophic care that were capped at a $4500 max. We started at about $600 each a month a few years before the ACA. They couldn't drop us, but it was understood that if we ever missed or was even late that policy would not be renewed. The last years prior to the ACA Kaiser tried to get us to drop to a lower premium with higher shared copays but we refused. The last two years before the ACA they were raising rates at a level every year that had them at $850 and $950 for a combined $1800 a month plus copays on meds and tests. Kaiser promotes and wants the plans that have shared copays on catastrophic that are tens to even hundreds of thousands of dollars. People lose houses over these kinds of copays.

I looked into VA care and switched to that, so my wife's Kaiser was $950 a month the year before the ACA started. The first year her premium was $500mo, the second came down to about $450, 2016 was $350... 2017 was $950 and she was hit with a retro active charge back to 2016 of $900, so she was surprised with a $6000 healthcare bill at tax time. 2017 taxes had a $12,000 surprise because of changes to write offs.

So GOP lack of support and undermining the ACA at every turn had already caused insurance rates to go up significantly, and those who are in similar situations with pre existing conditions have been holding their breath on what the GOP was doing.

The ACA could have worked significantly better had it not been undermined at every turn, including refusing to fund provisions that were to save billions in waste and fraud. It's a shame when only the people who fit the categories that need healthcare who will lose it are the ones who get it.
Your story defines part of the divide in this coun... (show quote)


Thank you Woodguru for sharing your experiences. But what catches my eye about you is you showed no h**e or anger and at most times you used common sense to explain your perception of ACA and most topics that you responded to but got hit with the same insults. But you maintained your composure. Since you arrived I OPP I have read most of your topics and responses. I actually learned a lot from you and I thank you for that.

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Mar 11, 2019 16:44:11   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
bahmer wrote:
Amen and Amen same here. I didn't see eye to eye with you so my way of dealing with you and the situation that you were bringing to the table every day or every other day as it seemed was to simply ignore you and your posts. That was unkind on my part and so I in turn ask you to forgive me for not at least trying to understand your situation and feelings. I intend to stop ignoring you and your posts and at least give you the benefit of the doubt and read your posts. Hopefully I will be able to be more sensitive and more understanding. I lost my son at the age of nineteen do to a hit and run driver and I oh so hope that you can find your son a kidney. Thanks for that post Airforceone.
Amen and Amen same here. I didn't see eye to eye w... (show quote)


Are you addressing to me or AF1???

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Mar 11, 2019 16:48:58   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Airforceone wrote:
I made many accusations against people on OPP. Put states and classes of people in my insults. I want to apologize to all OPP readers and Bloggers. I should should not have attacked all right wing bloggers because of the insults from a few.

I got invovled in the whole h**e and d******eness on OPP. When all these insults were lodged at me I responded with insults. But it was only the actions of a few which I refused to name these people.

The insults against me were generated by 4 bloggers that attacked me with personal insults denigrated my son and threaten me personally.

As I think back as to when all my h**e and insults started. It started when Congress under Obama first started debating Obamacare. My son has an incurable Kidney disease and he was at that time living in the state of Florida. His medical cost were growing as the disease advanced but he continued to work and coach youth hockey. He had a employee based Medical insurance which picked up 80% of his cost but 20% was still putting a major burden on his finances. So he moved in with me so we as a family could better manage his medical cost.

My son is single and my wife passed away at the age of 47 of pancreatic cancer.

Then came the worst thing that could happen his boss called him in and said he had to let him go because the insurance provider was going to increase his cost on the employee based system. So living in Florida and no worker protection my son now has no job and no insurance. His yearly income was $75,000 a year plus quarterly bonuses in 2009.

So this was okay because he is a very talented guy and could get another job, pay the COBRA till his new job picked up his insurance premium. Wrong when he applied for a new job guess what the first question at his interview is (WHY DID YOUR LAST EMPLOYER LET YOU GO AFTER 9 years)
Yes sir my last employer let me go because I have a kidney disease and his insurance premiums were going up because of my medical cost. (INTERVIEW ENDED) Now how do you get a job.

So again no problem my son begain an attempt at getting medical insurance on his own. Wrong again there was no insurance provider in this country that would give him insurance at any cost. (PRE-EXISTING CONDITION) ( THIS ALL OCCURED PRIOR TO THE ACA)

So no job no insurance and medical bills rising. But what I did was set up with his primary care physician and his specialist a payment plan. One of his biggest cost was medication. Then periodic hospital stays for 2 or 3 days I also requested payment plans.

So no job no insurance and under these payment plans the cost was anywhere from $3000 to $3,500 a month (THIS WAS PRIOR TO HIM GOING ON DIALYSIS) this does not include medication which varied from month to month between $800 to $1500 CVS has no payment plans. And yes I explained to OPP bloggers that I was financially sound and was able to pay these medical cost so my son could keep his doctors, and specialist. But it was beginning to drain my retirement funds and it wasn’t looking good for me so I had to resign from the private golf club sell my home and downsize. Now after playing golf 5 times a week to playing 5 times a month. But it was an easy decision.

Then Obamacare was passed and like I said I followed the Obamacare legislation from start to finish. I believe that nobody on OPP understands Obamacare as I do. I followed it through the legislation process, I read all the CBO reports as to cost. I studied the Massachusetts Affordable care act passed by Republican Gov Mitt Romney and a democratic legislators.

When Obamacare became law I was very excited. When the first open enrollment started I went on the Government web site and started to reseach the different providers and the level of insurance my son could get.

I picked up the phone and called the government provided specialist and having a lot of knowledge about Obamacare I was able to ask my questions and how the whole process worked. When I got off the phone and having full knowledge of the different programs available was able to get a 80% policy, with $10 co-pays for primary care, $5 co-pays for medications $100 co-pays for specialist with a $750 deductiable for hospitalization. The cost was $385 a month and absolutly no government subsidies. Still incuring major cost with a 80% policy.

I explained this on OPP and was met with insults a government taker my son was a fraud, liar and also the fact I was financially sound comments like pay your own medical bills and stop living off the government. I was called a Marxist, C*******t, and the right wing favorite socialist. (SORRY I GOT VERY ANGRY AND OVER THE YEARS BEGAN TO ATTACK ANY RIGHT WING BLOGGER AND IT CONTINUED OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS YOU PEOPLE DID NOT DESERVE THE KIND OF INSULTS THAT I HAVE MADE) But I want all right wing bloggers to know it was only a few and I attacked, denigrated all right wing bloggers. (I WAS WRONG)

I have read every topic every blog about Obamacare and having full knowledge of Obamacare it became very frustrating for me to read the misinformation about Obamacare and when I attempted to explain and try to get the proper information posted on Obamacare the insults just kept coming and they never stopped.

The ACA/Obamacare was a massive piece of legislation it’s not something you will understand by reading it Once. Over the years I heard how the misinformation train by right wing bloggers that had there own perception on Obamacare but (PERCEPTION IS NOT REALITY) It all started with misinformation on the following topics in Obamacare.
(Mandate) (Insurance pools) (Keep your Doctor) (You can keep your insurance provider) ( PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS) (Cancelled policies) (Acused Obama from stealing $750 billion from Medicare) (Obamacare premiums rising) (Doctors refusing patients covered by Obamacare) (DEATH PANELS) (How can republicans v**e on a bill when they only had 24 hours to review) (This bill had 7000 pages) (Insurance company networks) all misinformation as to how Obamacare works. It was without a doubt the biggest misinformation campaign by the Right wing media, conspiracy theorist, Republican legislators this country has ever seen. I am not denying that there are problems with Obamacare so fix the problems. Not everything in Obamacare is bad. But for the right wing to just continue with repeal with no replacement as promised. With the Trump promise of creating new healthcare legislation giving all Americans affordable health insurance but first you have to repeal the ACA. Well that clearly will not happen.

So over the years I was attempting to explain how Obamacare functioned and explain the misinformation about the above topics. Let me explain just one example. Sarah Phalin coined the phrase death panels, and Doctors refusing coverage all due to Obamacare.

Death panels that was so obsurd, that so called death panel was a $225 allowance to meet with your doctor to be informed what was the best plan for your family. My son used that $225 and it was one of the best meetings he had because he had full knowledge as to best pick out a policy that would address his daily medical treatment and his long term medical care as his disease was never going to get better.
Then when my son choose the BC/BS platinum policy he got a phone call from his specialist that he would no longer be able to treat him because of his insurance policy. Well having full knowlege of Obamacare I called the specialist and asked why. What I got for an answer was he received a letter from the insurance company that they would no longer cover my son’s health cost. I thought that was strange because his policy was covered by all other doctors and hospitals. So I called BC/BS and what they told me was that this specialist was not signatory with there network of providers. So I got the name of there network of providers called my son’s specialist back and told him why they refused payment and the doctors office asked for the name of the network the doctor then signed onto that network and my son was able to keep his doctor. There are many networks set up by providers. But how many people just except this type of issue and don’t Follow up as to (WHY) I fixed that issue within a few hours. But not understanding Obamacare, Not understanding provider networks people just except this type of wrongdoing and the right wing blamed these cancelations on Obamacare. It was amazing to me reading right wing bloggers complaining about there doctors canceling them. When all it took was a simple phone call and problem corrected. These provider networks were in place long before Obamacare if you remember when HMO’s first came out.

Now over the years explaining to the the bloggers on OPP that post misinformation I was met with some of the most nasty insults you could imagine and I got mad and forgot who I was and went on the attack. I was told I was a liar and never read Obamacare. If it meant your son’s life (WOULD YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND OBAMACARE THE WAY I HAVE)

I have been battling this for over 10 years now. I have battled the state of Florida when Rick Scott the governor illegally allowed insurance providers to create high risk pools which was illegal. If Rick Scott got what he wanted and many OPP bloggers agreed with High Risk pools my son’s premiums would have gone up to $9,500 a month. But that was a way that insurance providers could cancel your policy and stay within the laws of the set by Obamacare that you could not cancel your policy. As it turned out Rick Scott did this illegally. But during the 3 months of this battle my son was on peritoneal home dialysis where it cost $11,500 a month just for the dialysis medication. I had to pick up that cost for two months. But when it was ruled illegal I was reimbursed.

So there has been many bumps in the road over the last 10 years. I am not looking for sympathy because there are over 40 million people in this country that battled the same issues as my family has gone through without having medical insurance in different degrees.

But my son who now is fully employed has a great job earning over $100,000 a year with a employee base medical insurance and purchased a supplemental policy through Medicare and pays the premium because of his earnings. My son, my family, and myself have never asked for government subsidies we dealt with it as a family. All we ever wanted was to have the ability to purchase medical insurance.

My son goes to dialysis 3 times a week, he works 40 to 50 hours a week, He still coaches an elite hockey team for 16 to 17 years of age. With his contacts in hockey because he played college hockey he has been able to help Florida teenagers get hooked up with the northeast juniors program and get scholarships to Division one college teams. He also has many contacts on the devision 2 college teams and this less talented players were able to go to college and play hockey.

(MY SON NOW HAS TWO YEARS TO RECIEVE A KIDNEY T***SPLANT BEFORE HE GOES INTO TOTAL RENAL FAILURE THEN HE WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE) But it is just not happening in Florida due to the regulation of the t***splant centers in Florida. Another daily battle where my son has to text his blood pressure everyday and don’t forget To do it because they take you off the list. If your blood pressure rises they take you off the list, if you get the flu your off the list. But unknown to my son was when they take you off the list you have to re-Apply.

But I had no right denigrating all the right wing bloggers and denigrating all those southern red states that refused the Medicaid expansion. ( I JUST HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND IN SOME SMALL WAY WHY I GOT ANGRY AND HAD ALL THIS BUILT UP H**E BECAUSE THAT IS NOT ME.)
I made many accusations against people on OPP. Put... (show quote)


Airforceone,
I don't think I was one of the four people that treated you with disrespect, but if so, I apologize.

After reading about your son's medical issues, and your experience with Trump stiffing you on work performed, I can understand why you feel the way you do on Obamacare and President Trump.

My experience with Obamacare was not a positive experience at all, but that's a different story for another day. In your son's case, I'm glad it worked out for him.

After reading all the posts on this subject, all of us on OPP should realize that each of us have different experiences and circumstances, and making rash judgements and nasty comments without knowing all the facts about someone, .... well enough said.

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Mar 11, 2019 16:50:43   #
bahmer
 
proud republican wrote:
Are you addressing to me or AF1???


Airforceone but I used your post as a jumping off point sorry I should have explained it better.

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Mar 11, 2019 17:13:59   #
Airforceone
 
Pennylynn wrote:
In life we have so many challenges and it seems that some people have greater burdens than others. And then there are others who seem to float through life, entirely blessed. Certainly, now that I have read your heartbreaking story about your son and his medical conditions, your anger in those threads is understandable. I will be first to say that I have never understood obamacare, it still remains confusing to me..... but, my circumstances is different than most. I am having difficulty in understanding your attitude in other threads unrelated to obamacare and your treatment of individuals who maintained a level of respectful discussion even when you treated them badly.

I will not automatically accept your apology, I will wait to see if you are indeed contrite. I see nothing in your apology implying that you intend to treat others any differently. Only time will tell. Having said that, I will pray for your son. I hope that he gets his t***splant and hope that you will keep us updated on his condition.
In life we have so many challenges and it seems th... (show quote)


Thank you for your response and yes I do know you don’t get trust and respect that is something I have to earn. I don’t expect to automatically earn your apology the way I have acted wow I got a long way to go to earn your respect and others. As I have read thru some of the responses it actually brings a tear to my eye number one my stupidity and number two I am learning about people all over again and that seems to be something I forgot, and that’s what I want.

That’s not to mention that if I post a topic or you post a topic and I disagree I will in the future agree or disagree using respect for your beliefs. And post what I precieve as facts.

As for posting and replying on other issues other than the ACA it was my general h**e and anger that I had for the right wing but It was blind h**e for the right wing because everytime over the last 10 years I sat here and watched republicans 52 times to repeal the ACA. It was very difficult for me for ten years wondering if my son would loose his insurance. The latest attempt was when John McCain he stood there in the senate and gave a thumbs down I damm near broke out into tears I was so happy and relieved the stress on my son was unbelievable and with low kidney function the worst thing was stress so I did everything I could do to hide those v**es from him.

Just a quick story my son was at work I had the news on and I had to do a little work in the back yard. I left the TV on and while I was in the yard my son came home and they were debating the ACA and he over heard it. And wow he started to get stressed out because what was being reported was it was close and was looking like a 50/50 split and he knows the VP has the tie breaker. He called me and asked what the hell is going on here. So I told him it looked like a 50/50 split but McCain was still undecided. But McCain believed in the process of the senate and did not like the way MCConnel pushed this bill through by bypassing the process. So we sat and watched the v**e. Stressful time.

You mention you did not fully understand the ACA as most people do because who has the time to read it and understand as I have done. But if you ever have a question on the ACA just use the PM
And I can attempt to get the facts to you. I have helped many friends, and family members and Friends of family members obtain health Insurance.

But again thanks for the opportunity to earn your respect.

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Mar 11, 2019 17:16:00   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
ACP45 wrote:
Great philosophy No P. Good advice for many of us here on OPP!


I have my own health problems to deal with, from the scoliosis I was born with, which "earned" em the nickname from my father of "the gimp" to the serious heart problems I have developed, even going so far as to die twice on the operating table during heart surgery. God has blessed me greatly by keeping me alive through it all. We have both been heavily involved with helping boys from horribly abusive backgrounds survive, grow past the anger and pain to lead good and happy lives. Until about a month ago it was down to two boys needing us as surrogate grandparents and counselors, and both Pete and David are doing well, healing from the physical and emotional torture from their childhoods. So, of course, we HAD to say Yes to a new "grandson", another one of "our boys", this one in foster care with one of our boys from years ago and his wife. Guess that is what keeps me from giving up quite yet, and allow me to put the petty squabbles in perspective.
And when I need a break there are two Cane Corso Mastiffs, one Welsh Terrier and one Staffordshire Bull Terrier, whose smiles and wagging tails brighten each day and ask for so little in return.

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Mar 11, 2019 17:25:40   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
archie bunker wrote:
I think I'm one of the four. He's had the rest removed. Loki being the pinnacle of his achievement in his endeavor. I'm next....according to him.

Since his apology doesn't apply to me, I guess it's game on. No holds barred now.
This guy has a sordid past here, and has managed to poke several into making comments to him that, evidently, warrented expulsion by Admin.
Don't take his bait. Just saying.




Dang good advise from experience...good for all to know.

Thank you Archie.

Him, kimher, glaucon, ole wooden head..all are master- baiters! A******n Enthusiast Bob tries really hard, but is more goofy than antagonist.

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Mar 11, 2019 17:29:28   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
byronglimish wrote:
Dang good advise from experience...good for all to know.

Thank you Archie.

Him, kimher, glaucon, ole wooden head..all are master- baiters! A******n Enthusiast Bob tries really hard, but is more goofy than antagonist.


yes, they are master-baiters, baiting the masters. Freaken at the Freakers Ball

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Mar 11, 2019 17:49:31   #
Airforceone
 
woodguru wrote:
I personally know close to a dozen people who could not get healthcare due to pre existing conditions. A friend of mine who is a contractor got hepatitis when he was about 22 through blood t***sfusions before screening.He refused to drink because his liver was going to k**l him as it was, and he wasn't going to do anything that shortened his life. He could not afford the drug that cures hepatitis because the cost was ludicrous, something like $80,000 or that much a month for four months. He got that within the first couple months of getting healthcare, and is now cured. That money in preventive care saved the government hundreds of thousands in chemo later.

Here's an interesting aside on this guy. He works hard as a contractor and makes between ten to fifteen thousand a month. When he got healthcare he filed taxes based sort of on the expenses for materials he could show as a write off and added an income that seemed reasonable to him. He was claiming a minimal income, so his healthcare plan was highly subsidized and cost him a couple of hundred a month. He gets a new lease on life being the beneficiary of an expensive drug that cured him... and what does he do, what are his circumstances now?

I was talking to him a few days ago, he is having a tough time working because of severe hemorrhoids, he said the surgery will be about $8000. I asked him why his healthcare wasn't covering it, he said he hadn't filed taxes for two or three years so he didn't have any. Meantime over the last few years he's bought a custom Harley, put a supercharger performance package in his truck at about $8000, he put $20,000 into engine and suspension in his quad.

The custom paint job on his $40k Harley was several thousand dollars, it says "live free or die" on the tank
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I do not know anybody that was refused health insurance on the open exchange. I have helped many people to obtain healthcare because on the open exchange they do not even ask about pre existing conditions. They are not even allowed to ask what medications your taking.
They wanted (Your Name) (YOUR ADDRESS) (THE STATE YOU LIVE IN WAS IMPORTANT TO DETERMINE YOUR PREMIUM COST BECAUSE PREMIUMS WERE A LOT HIGHER IN STATES THAT DID NOT SIGN ONTO THE MEDCAID EXPANSION) (YOUR AGE) ( AND WHAT PLAN YOU WANTED BRONZE, PLATINUM OR GOLD) (YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO DETERMINE IF YOU QUALIFY FOR GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES)
Never with over 50 to 60 people I helped obtain medical insurance did they ask question like what prescriptions are you taking or anything about pre existing conditions because that is 100% illegal and should have been reported.

You have to understand that even prior to the ACA the law stipulates that insurance companies could not ask about pre-Existing condition. But they could ask you if you were taking any medications, that’s how the insurance carriers determined if you had a pre-existing condition.

During the last ten years I have heard the same stories about not being able to get health insurance. From Doctors refusing treatment because of the type of insurance, people not being able to get coverage and they blamed it all on the ACA. Then listen to states having one insurance carrier and charging high premiums this was caused by states not signing onto Medicaid expansion.

This bill is so massive that if you want to discuss one issue at a time I sure would attempt to help you get insurance for those 10 people you say were denied coverage for pre existing conditions. I am so confident that within 72 hours I will have medical Insurance for those ten people. My record is 100%

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Mar 11, 2019 18:16:13   #
Airforceone
 
byronglimish wrote:
Your supposed apology is not complete without acknowledging your extreme hatred and unforgiving stance against people who have opposed you, according to your past that you are supposedly apologizing for.


Exactly and I thought I addressed that issue. The only thing I need is the opportunity to respond without h**e and anger. But I expect the same respect from OPP bloggers. I have a long way to go to prove myself on OPP I offended many because of the actions of a few. I took my anger created by a few and took it out on all bloggers. That was wrong. I need to earn your respect not expect you to give it to me.

You have to understand there are a few people on OPP that called democrats Marxist, then c*******t, then socialist now common sense tells you that you can’t be all three.

Someone calls me a Marxist Democrat I asked the question where did you come up with that so I ask them to look up the difinition of Marxism and then explain how my response fits into such a remark. To this date I have never received a response or an answer. Same with the c*******t statements.

Now socialism I have tried repeatedly to get OPP bloggers to give me there definitions of socialism and apply it to our government programs as to which ones fall under there perception of socialism. But after hundreds of blogs of Republicans calling democrats socialist I still to this day have not received a response. Now Trump is clear as to what one of his main topics for the upcoming campaign is to call democrats socialist. But no right wing blogger will respond to a simple question the diffinition of socialism and then apply it to what programs in our government is actually socialism and yes there are a couple but these socialism programs are just as abundant on the left and right.

So no more sarcastic remarks let’s leave the insults about Hilliary, Obama, Trump or any other politician just use there name to explain there ideology and explain why you think they are right or wrong, let’s stop the using words like i***ts, lunitics, Dummycrats, moron, baby k**lers, lets be respectful.

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Mar 11, 2019 18:17:29   #
Carol Kelly
 
byronglimish wrote:
I hope that this new attitude is genuine.

I will reply back to you in the future, according to how you present yourself.

Obama never cared and his half baked insurance scheme made him and his friends millions.



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Mar 11, 2019 18:21:41   #
Airforceone
 
EmilyD wrote:
If you really mean what you say - that you want to have common sense debates here - telling someone that you need them to go away because you don't like what they have to say, or how they say it defeats your own purpose.

We all know that you can keep this person (and any others you don't like) from commenting on threads you create by using the ignore function. And we all know that when you are on a thread that involves that person (Archie) and any others you don't like, you simply ignore them and don't respond to them. You apologize and say you don't want to get involved with certain people, and then you go ahead and get involved by responding (and telling them to go away!). I have a feeling your apology is not sincere, but we'll see, I guess.
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Okay Archie is actually one of the first people on OPP to insult me and yes to this day he continues to insult. I responded with insults. He has a few followers that think his insults are funny but Archie has never responded to any topic I put on OPP without adding a few insults.

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