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Mar 11, 2019 11:37:31   #
karpenter (a regular here)
 
Socialism Appeals To The Emotion
The Most Irrational Part Of Our Minds
That's Why It's So Easily Picked Up

It Helps You To Feel Miserable And Wronged

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Mar 11, 2019 12:24:23   #
JediKnight (a regular here)
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
To me, having been in education and seen how it works, there already is equal education. The think which limits that is the culture found in the poorer neighborhoods. We could double the money going into poor neighborhoods and it would not change a thing. The comment down the line in this thread is apropos; you can lead a horse to water but can't make him do calculus. We often comment in our work in the ghettos over the years; parents don't want their kids to be more successful and have greater opportunity. Misery loves company. It isn't true across the board, of course, but it certainly seems to be prevalent.
To me, having been in education and seen how it wo... (show quote)


The "problems" in our education system are much bigger than 'how much money' each district receives. A major part of the problems are rooted in "the teachers and parents." If I had listened to the nay-sayers who predicted "I would be nothing because my parents were nothing" then I too would be perpetually in that long unemployment line. However, given parents who stayed interested in my education and personal growth coupled with 'teachers who actually cared' and I have turned out okay. I came from a broken, single-parent home of five. I was privileged to serve on active duty with the US Navy, once I separated from military service I earned both my Bachelor and MBA. I have a decent job, a lovely wife, and children who respect me and look up to me....all because I serve the one, true living God who does not know how to fail. BTW - it is accurate to say "misery loves company" - however, even more truth is found in: "Misery loves miserable company." // For many, it is not enough for me to feel miserable, I want you down here with me feeling it too. sad.

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Mar 11, 2019 14:14:15   #
Carol Kelly (a regular here)
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
I agree, an equal opportunity at an equal education would be quite appropriate.


But taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for it. My grandchildren are all getting University degrees and not at taxpayer expense. Scholarships are another thing.

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Mar 11, 2019 16:27:34   #
maximus
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Of course there is such a thing as privilege... And it can apply to all kinds of different categories...
Apologizing for a situation one did not contribute to is never going to solve the problem...
Education and equality under the law...
And certain individuals getting out from under the victimhood rag...

Excellent analogy...
Of course there is such a thing as privilege... An... (show quote)


Hello, Kyle, good to "see " you today. I believe there is white privilege for wealthy white AND black people, also white and black celebrities. I never had white privilege myself. In fact, I'm on the lower end of the financial pecking order...the upper end of poverty (yes, I'm serious).
Yet, there is a new housing project in town that each building has 2 townhouses, very pretty, very upscale. Driving by, I see Navigators, Escalades, and Lexus' in the driveways. I drive an 18 year old ex police car (because of it's durability), live in a tiny house that was built in 1938, and this is the best I've ever had it.
The NFL didn't get to where he was by being black, he got there by being outstanding at playing football. THAT is privilege WITHOUT a race color attached.
Still, I have privilege because I act like a decent citizen, I have good manners, I respect authority, and I'm usually a quiet man, unobtrusive. The way I see it, privilege can be given, earned, taken, and inherited. There are those like Bill gates and those that even in the ghetto, seem to get all the breaks.
I'll admit that there IS such a thing as white privilege, but I don't believe it has the wide scope and impact assigned to it from the left. What I DO believe is that there is all kinds of privilege spread out among all walks of life, among all races, and among all financial classes.

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Mar 11, 2019 18:31:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
maximus wrote:
Hello, Kyle, good to "see " you today. I believe there is white privilege for wealthy white AND black people, also white and black celebrities. I never had white privilege myself. In fact, I'm on the lower end of the financial pecking order...the upper end of poverty (yes, I'm serious).
Yet, there is a new housing project in town that each building has 2 townhouses, very pretty, very upscale. Driving by, I see Navigators, Escalades, and Lexus' in the driveways. I drive an 18 year old ex police car (because of it's durability), live in a tiny house that was built in 1938, and this is the best I've ever had it.
The NFL didn't get to where he was by being black, he got there by being outstanding at playing football. THAT is privilege WITHOUT a race color attached.
Still, I have privilege because I act like a decent citizen, I have good manners, I respect authority, and I'm usually a quiet man, unobtrusive. The way I see it, privilege can be given, earned, taken, and inherited. There are those like Bill gates and those that even in the ghetto, seem to get all the breaks.
I'll admit that there IS such a thing as white privilege, but I don't believe it has the wide scope and impact assigned to it from the left. What I DO believe is that there is all kinds of privilege spread out among all walks of life, among all races, and among all financial classes.
Hello, Kyle, good to "see " you today. I... (show quote)


Hello David...

There certainly is privilege... And at times it does seem more focused in one group or another...
Like you I have never benefited from my whiteness... My father was a logger and my mother a barmaid... Neither finished junior high... But they were hard workers and none of us went hungry...
Not everyone becomes a Bill Gates.. But we are all given to legs to get us to work and two hands to see that the work gets done... Asking for more just seems ungrateful, no?

Hope you are well

Your friend, Kyle

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Mar 11, 2019 18:51:29   #
Mikeyavelli (a regular here)
 
karpenter wrote:
You Can Lead A Horse To Water
But You Can't Make Him Do Calculus


😃

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Mar 11, 2019 19:26:03   #
maryjane
 
JFlorio wrote:
I actually changed my mind on whether or not white privilege exist in the US. In my opinion it does. At first I wanted to deny it because I’ve never gotten a job or anything special just because I was white and I felt insulted. As if everything I have was just handed to me. Recently a friend of mine who played ten years in the NFL put it how he and many of his friends see it. It’s like you’re in a corridor and there’s 100 doors. A couple lead to opportunity. What you do with that opportunity is up to the individual. He explained if your white maybe you get to try 99 doors. If your black maybe 50 doors. Not my fault I have more doors just the way it is. I asked him if it was the same in the NFL now because it’s obvious blacks are more athletic. He agreed it was but also didn’t like anyone thinking he accomplished 10 years of Pro Football just because he was black. We both see there is a privilege but both agree the way to fix it is not to try and level a playing field by taking from one and giving to another. He thinks the answer is education. Equal and mandatory. I don’t disagree. Thoughts?
I actually changed my mind on whether or not white... (show quote)


All a nation can do, or should do, is provide opportunities available for everyone regardless of race sex, or religion. After that, it is up to the individuals. Some human beings are just not willing to do the hard things (education, training, etc) to change his/her life path, to get ahead and no one can change that, only the individual. We have families that have lived on welfare for generations, not because none of them were ever smart enough, good enough, etc, to earn their own way in life, but because they CHOSE to be satisfied to live off the labors of others and blame their lives on someone or something else. Somehow, over the past 20-30 years, many of our poor citizens have come to believe that it is wrong for others to have more materially than they. The person who completed HS and advanced education/training, has been a good employee and hard worker, learned how to manage money wisely, expected to receive only what he earned and, after years of saving and postponing extras, this person is promoted to manager with an increased salary; he keeps moving up because he continues his good work ethics and his material wealth continues to increase because he spends and saves wisely, paying as he goes. Now, the welfare group seem to feel that they deserve everything this person has, though they have earned none of it, have made no effort to acquire any of it. We are each the product of our choices/decisions in life and our determination. Your friend did well in sports not just because God gave him a natural talent BUT because he had the determination to succeed and made the choices to do the hard work necessary to reach that goal. I often think that public welfare is one of the worst things ever generated in our country.

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Mar 11, 2019 19:54:45   #
Larry the Legend
 
JFlorio wrote:
I asked him if it was the same in the NFL now because it’s obvious blacks are more athletic. He agreed it was but also didn’t like anyone thinking he accomplished 10 years of Pro Football just because he was black.

In other words, he wants us to think that he accomplished what he did because he merited it, not because of the color of his skin. He made millions off his 'merit', yet he will tell a blue-collar Caucasian all about their 'white privilege'.

Can you smell that?

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Mar 11, 2019 20:53:36   #
karpenter (a regular here)
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
In other words, he wants us to think that he accomplished what he did because he merited it, not because of the color of his skin. He made millions off his 'merit', yet he will tell a blue-collar Caucasian all about their 'white privilege'.

Can you smell that?

Yep
That's Pretty Much What It Said To Me

What Was His College Major
What Were His SAT's
That He Gave Up That Future For The NFL

The Regular Students At UCLA
Complain About The Double Standard For The Athletic Dept All The Time
And UCLA Isn't The Only Competitive Entry University That Does It

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Mar 11, 2019 21:48:33   #
Mikeyavelli (a regular here)
 
maryjane wrote:
All a nation can do, or should do, is provide opportunities available for everyone regardless of race sex, or religion. After that, it is up to the individuals. Some human beings are just not willing to do the hard things (education, training, etc) to change his/her life path, to get ahead and no one can change that, only the individual. We have families that have lived on welfare for generations, not because none of them were ever smart enough, good enough, etc, to earn their own way in life, but because they CHOSE to be satisfied to live off the labors of others and blame their lives on someone or something else. Somehow, over the past 20-30 years, many of our poor citizens have come to believe that it is wrong for others to have more materially than they. The person who completed HS and advanced education/training, has been a good employee and hard worker, learned how to manage money wisely, expected to receive only what he earned and, after years of saving and postponing extras, this person is promoted to manager with an increased salary; he keeps moving up because he continues his good work ethics and his material wealth continues to increase because he spends and saves wisely, paying as he goes. Now, the welfare group seem to feel that they deserve everything this person has, though they have earned none of it, have made no effort to acquire any of it. We are each the product of our choices/decisions in life and our determination. Your friend did well in sports not just because God gave him a natural talent BUT because he had the determination to succeed and made the choices to do the hard work necessary to reach that goal. I often think that public welfare is one of the worst things ever generated in our country.
All a nation can do, or should do, is provide opp... (show quote)


That's the kindest, sweetest way of saying that there are lazy bastards living off the programs of a liberal government.
The way I see it, I get a bill from the government to support these losers.
Government isn't a charity or a hospital.
Interstate roads and bridges, military, and constitutional enforcement.
That's all federal government should address. State and local governments govern the rest as determined by the voters.

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Mar 11, 2019 23:41:02   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
JFlorio wrote:
I actually changed my mind on whether or not white privilege exist in the US. In my opinion it does. At first I wanted to deny it because I’ve never gotten a job or anything special just because I was white and I felt insulted. As if everything I have was just handed to me. Recently a friend of mine who played ten years in the NFL put it how he and many of his friends see it. It’s like you’re in a corridor and there’s 100 doors. A couple lead to opportunity. What you do with that opportunity is up to the individual. He explained if your white maybe you get to try 99 doors. If your black maybe 50 doors. Not my fault I have more doors just the way it is. I asked him if it was the same in the NFL now because it’s obvious blacks are more athletic. He agreed it was but also didn’t like anyone thinking he accomplished 10 years of Pro Football just because he was black. We both see there is a privilege but both agree the way to fix it is not to try and level a playing field by taking from one and giving to another. He thinks the answer is education. Equal and mandatory. I don’t disagree. Thoughts?
I actually changed my mind on whether or not white... (show quote)


I'm white. In fact there's no way I could deny that as I was a tow headed, blue eyed kid. I mean my hair was as white as a piece of printer paper when I was younger. When I married at 29 my hair was banana blond. Now in my late 60s it's dark blonde with shades of grey finally touching the fringes. There's no way I can hide my whiteness. Doesn't matter how long I sit in the sun or slaver my body with potassium permanganate which will turn me a walnut color, my eyes and my hair will give me away.

As for privilege, I left upstate New York where at the age of 6 I worked rock boats (followed a tractor and gathered rocks out of the plowed field and tossed them on the sleds). In the fall I stacked Hay bales first on the wagons and then in the lofts. Those who have never done the hay thing, the sweat bees and flies will drive you crazy.

After moving to the Tidewater area (Norfolk, Va.) at 8 I got a paper route and I began going to the local row boat rental in the early morning and toting engines, gear to their boats for the fishermen for tips. I eventually became one of the paid crew after a year or two.

While I was only 12 I was working the paper route, the boat house and began working a beer joint just up from the boat house between hours. I bussed tables of National Wrestlers and stacked beer lockers (at 12) I also started running the beer joints owner's 43' boat off shore while he took patrons fishing. I served as bait boy on the way out and captain on the way in as they slept off their great angling exploits.

I moved to Va. Beach in 1965. There I worked at a local small boat yard scraping barnacles and other discussing stuff off of boat bottoms. I even had a 28' boat dropped on me which has affected my back to this day. At the same time I was commercially crabbing, gathering oysters and helping with gill net fishing off the beach. In fact one of my jobs was to gather shoe sole oysters which entailed gathering 12" oysters (many from the pre-revolution time) in waist deep water in February by hand because you had to feel for them. The water was in the low 40's.

I could go on but my point is that though I'm white, there is not white privilege on my part at least. I've earned my place on this hard rock. I owe a lot to a lot of people, both black and white, who had patience enough to teach me things which have gotten me through life without a ton of strain except what I've put on myself and I've put plenty of that.

After a long haul in construction I went to work for the City of Chesapeake at a 760 acre city park (think boondocks) as in charge of all of the maintenance. I was in love. That lasted 23 years but politics got thrown into the equation which I'm not good at as I tend to speak what I think, right or wrong. I saw the writing on the wall and knew I'd be better off retiring (which I truly regret having to do) or probably being fired as I didn't agree with the direction things were going. Best decision I've ever made except I miss getting up early, the 20 minute drive on a windy road and the splendor of 760 acres of woods, meadows and visiting hoards and being able to fix things nobody else had any idea how to. Look up North River Park. Mike

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Mar 12, 2019 00:02:42   #
Iliamna1 (a regular here)
 
Opportunity doors are there for nearly everyone. Many years ago I had a cousin with Down's syndrome but he loved and lived to clean ANYTHING. He ended up living in a half-way-house, run by the Presbyterian church, with other individuals with various issues, but they all worked for a janitorial service and he ended up being a supervisor and making a pretty decent salary. He worked there until he died at 38 years old. He didn't tolerate anyone shirking their duties. He wasn't nearly as smart as some of his subordinates, but he knew what clean was! I had friend with a rather severe physical handicap and was black, but she was soo determined to get a degree in sociology despite being a black woman and is still helping patients navigate the health care system.
My point is a strong work ethic can overcome insurmountable odds and I believe that ethic is stronger than white privilege. Is there white privilege? I'm white, but I can agree there is white privilege, but we are not all endowed with the same physical or intellectual abilities. There is also beauty privilege (I never had that one) and depending where you are, there is black privilege, athletic privilege, gay privilege, feminine privilege and male privilege and others.

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Mar 12, 2019 00:09:07   #
JFlorio (a regular here)
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
In other words, he wants us to think that he accomplished what he did because he merited it, not because of the color of his skin. He made millions off his 'merit', yet he will tell a blue-collar Caucasian all about their 'white privilege'.

Can you smell that?


I either gave the wrong impression on his attitude or you read me wrong. He actually is a big believer in merit and hard work. Big on family. Thinks the dis function in the black family is the number one problem.

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Mar 12, 2019 02:58:38   #
maximus
 
teabag09 wrote:
I'm white. In fact there's no way I could deny that as I was a tow headed, blue eyed kid. I mean my hair was as white as a piece of printer paper when I was younger. When I married at 29 my hair was banana blond. Now in my late 60s it's dark blonde with shades of grey finally touching the fringes. There's no way I can hide my whiteness. Doesn't matter how long I sit in the sun or slaver my body with potassium permanganate which will turn me a walnut color, my eyes and my hair will give me away.

As for privilege, I left upstate New York where at the age of 6 I worked rock boats (followed a tractor and gathered rocks out of the plowed field and tossed them on the sleds). In the fall I stacked Hay bales first on the wagons and then in the lofts. Those who have never done the hay thing, the sweat bees and flies will drive you crazy.

After moving to the Tidewater area (Norfolk, Va.) at 8 I got a paper route and I began going to the local row boat rental in the early morning and toting engines, gear to their boats for the fishermen for tips. I eventually became one of the paid crew after a year or two.

While I was only 12 I was working the paper route, the boat house and began working a beer joint just up from the boat house between hours. I bussed tables of National Wrestlers and stacked beer lockers (at 12) I also started running the beer joints owner's 43' boat off shore while he took patrons fishing. I served as bait boy on the way out and captain on the way in as they slept off their great angling exploits.

I moved to Va. Beach in 1965. There I worked at a local small boat yard scraping barnacles and other discussing stuff off of boat bottoms. I even had a 28' boat dropped on me which has affected my back to this day. At the same time I was commercially crabbing, gathering oysters and helping with gill net fishing off the beach. In fact one of my jobs was to gather shoe sole oysters which entailed gathering 12" oysters (many from the pre-revolution time) in waist deep water in February by hand because you had to feel for them. The water was in the low 40's.

I could go on but my point is that though I'm white, there is not white privilege on my part at least. I've earned my place on this hard rock. I owe a lot to a lot of people, both black and white, who had patience enough to teach me things which have gotten me through life without a ton of strain except what I've put on myself and I've put plenty of that.

After a long haul in construction I went to work for the City of Chesapeake at a 760 acre city park (think boondocks) as in charge of all of the maintenance. I was in love. That lasted 23 years but politics got thrown into the equation which I'm not good at as I tend to speak what I think, right or wrong. I saw the writing on the wall and knew I'd be better off retiring (which I truly regret having to do) or probably being fired as I didn't agree with the direction things were going. Best decision I've ever made except I miss getting up early, the 20 minute drive on a windy road and the splendor of 760 acres of woods, meadows and visiting hoards and being able to fix things nobody else had any idea how to. Look up North River Park. Mike
I'm white. In fact there's no way I could deny tha... (show quote)


Wow! You've had quite a colorful life. I started work at 17 and only to buy a motorcycle. After that, I believe I've had as many as 50 jobs. I have worked in a nuclear reactor producing plant, made ammunition, worked on an off shore drilling oil rig in waters from the far east of Louisiana waters to about 35 miles shy of Mexican waters. I have flown a Cessna 172 and 2 gliders (with a pilot of course), built custom cabinets for 26 years, and now I'm an armed security officer. I guess I've been around the block at least once, but nothing like you. You're an impressive man.

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Mar 12, 2019 03:06:23   #
maximus
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hello David...

There certainly is privilege... And at times it does seem more focused in one group or another...
Like you I have never benefited from my whiteness... My father was a logger and my mother a barmaid... Neither finished junior high... But they were hard workers and none of us went hungry...
Not everyone becomes a Bill Gates.. But we are all given to legs to get us to work and two hands to see that the work gets done... Asking for more just seems ungrateful, no?

Hope you are well

Your friend, Kyle
Hello David... br br There certainly is privilege... (show quote)


Sometimes, privilege is like this question...the question is....what is stopping you from being a millionaire?
The answer is....nothing! The truth is that anyone can be rich if they are willing to do what it takes to get there. Everyone is privileged in that they can make themselves rich with very hard work, long hours, no vacati.....yada, yada, yada. But, that's what is takes.
I'm fine, thanks for asking. We've had rain, rain, rain, then very cold for 3 days, then rain, rain, and more rain. How's the weather in China?

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