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Mar 10, 2019 18:51:40   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
emarine wrote:
So Levin thinks the President is above the law... Seems the Supreme Court may disagree... Trump has had more than enough time to end this investigation if he could legally ...its not like Trump doesn't have Constitutional lawyers working on this 24/7 for over a year... Pure propaganda piece to incite the right with more f**e news... For Trump to stop anything at this point would just prove guilt... only dictators are above the law...
No, Mark Levin has never, not once, stated, suggested or implied that the president or anyone else is above the law. Levin's criticisms of some of president Trump's policies are just as powerful and thoroughly researched as are his praises for much of what the president has done.

The POTUS has the constitutional and legal authority as the Chief Executive to hire and fire any subordinate officer working in the Executive Branch. So, why do you think president Trump has not fired Mueller and ended this investigation? You say that for him to do so would prove his guilt. How so? By what legal standard is this an admission of guilt?

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Mar 10, 2019 23:15:05   #
Radiance3
 
emarine wrote:
So Levin thinks the President is above the law... Seems the Supreme Court may disagree... Trump has had more than enough time to end this investigation if he could legally ...its not like Trump doesn't have Constitutional lawyers working on this 24/7 for over a year... Pure propaganda piece to incite the right with more f**e news... For Trump to stop anything at this point would just prove guilt... only dictators are above the law...


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Had president Trump fired Mueller, all the radical DEMS and MSM, will accuse him of evading and covering his guilt. The president was confident that Mueller could never find collusion. So, the president did the right thing by letting the investigation completed. Which there was no Russian Collusion found.

Mueller was appointed in 2011, under Mr. Obama, and left in 2013. The next reigning king of FBI was Comey who exonerated Clinton. Who was supposed to be convicted of putting our country at security risk, In addition, Clinton destroyed so many evidences, that could have landed her in jail for many years.

18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records ..

First Mueller’s appointment was illegal. I think his appointment was long planned out by the Democrats’ Deep State, that was why all the members of Mueller’s team were all behind Hillary Clinton and Mr. Obama’s conspiracies. In addition, all the jurors were huge party donors to Hillary Clinton. All members of Mueller’s team were selectively chosen from the corrupt FBI who among each other framed, fabricated, criminal activities in order to accuse president Trump. Clinton paid the f**e Dossier fabricated against president Trump.

There was massive corruption in the FBI’s “investigation. The democrats continue to deny that Clinton had put security at risk.

Comey was paid $6 million by the Defense Lockheed Martin referred to by Hillary Clinton thus Comey had returned the favor to Clinton by exonerating her. Again, Comey had no right to exonerate Clinton. It must be the DOJ.

Comey’s brother was also the auditor for the most corrupt Clinton Foundation.
All the DEMS actions were illegal, dishonest, and the most corrupt activities in the history of our country.

Conclusion: The DEMS and Clintons are the most dangerous/corrupt enemies of our country's present Republic system.

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Mar 11, 2019 06:08:11   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
under the constitution, Mueller is an inferior officer, who can be fired by the officer who appointed him, by the AG or the president.

Even though constitutionally, Mueller is an inferior officer and an employee of the DOJ, he has assumed the powers of a principal officer equal to the Attorney General of the United States.

In a nutshell, Mueller went rogue, his mandate was officially limited to a counterintelligence investigation, but he immediately began criminal investigations BEFORE he had any evidence that crimes had been committed. Mueller assumed investigative power well beyond the authority granted him by the constitution, the DOJ, and man who hired him. Yes, the Mueller investigation is unconstitutional, and because of that, under the rule of law of our nation, everything Mueller has done is null and void. The jury is still out on whether or not there are enough honest and principled high ranking officials in Washington to do anything about that. I have my doubts.
i b under the constitution, Mueller is an inferi... (show quote)

So you are saying that if someone goes rogue then they have to be appointed by the President and the Senate?

As for everything Mueller is doing being null and void. Under what part of our Rule of Law states does it state that the discovery of crimes outside of a specific mandate can't be investigated? Would that even apply to parallel investigations not carried out by Mueller but are occurring because of discovery made by Mueller's office?

As for those being able to do something about "that" the president, the new AG, and Deputy AG will all have power to terminate Muller and the new AG will have the power to bury Mueller's work so that it never sees the light of day. Trump got the AG he wanted so if he doesn't bury the report then it would be Trump's fault for not getting an AG with the balls to deal with Mueller...

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Mar 11, 2019 08:38:41   #
Radiance3
 
PeterS wrote:
So you are saying that if someone goes rogue then they have to be appointed by the President and the Senate?

As for everything Mueller is doing being null and void. Under what part of our Rule of Law states does it state that the discovery of crimes outside of a specific mandate can't be investigated? Would that even apply to parallel investigations not carried out by Mueller but are occurring because of discovery made by Mueller's office?

As for those being able to do something about "that" the president, the new AG, and Deputy AG will all have power to terminate Muller and the new AG will have the power to bury Mueller's work so that it never sees the light of day. Trump got the AG he wanted so if he doesn't bury the report then it would be Trump's fault for not getting an AG with the balls to deal with Mueller...
So you are saying that if someone goes rogue then ... (show quote)


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Peter, this was a well-planned out sophisticated conspiracy by the Deep State to get rid or impeach president Trump. Mueller was hired as a an inferior officer by Rod Rosenstein, the acting DOJ at that time. However, Mueller went rogue and acted as a Principal Officer, with his greed of unlimited powers, with no one to report to. All his actions went beyond the scope of his authority. He acted as a Principal Officer, and summoned so many of the people that came across President Trump's life and campaign events, and even went beyond the period of his planned out p**********l ambition.

President Trump did not suspend Mueller because the radical DEMS and MSM are all lined up to accuse him of cover-up and preventing the investigation. Confident that president Trump did not have collusion with Russians, he allowed the investigation to complete its course. No collusion was found at the end.

DOJ Jeff Session when appointed, recused himself, and he was useless in that position, spending taxpayers' valuable time and money. Mueller was never held accountable for the abuses he did to president Trump. His actions as Principal Officers rendered all his decisions "null and void".

How to distinguish an Inferior Officer vs a Principal Officer? There are defined responsibilities, authorities, and appointing powers between the two. Mueller acted into the category of a Principal Officer.

The 81 subpoenas that Mueller did was not even part of his authority to investigate if he was an inferior officer. All his actions had carried the principal power. That must only be delegated to a Principal Officer appointed by the president, and must be confirmed by the Senate. That was why Mueller also violated the Art. 2 of the p**********l power.

This sophisticated case must be revisited, and all Mueller's decisions to be rendered null and void. Mueller's illegal investigation cost us taxpayers more than $25 million.

http://fortune.com/2018/12/14/mueller-investigation-cost-tax-c***ts/

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Mar 12, 2019 07:29:59   #
PeterS
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Peter, this was a well-planned out sophisticated conspiracy by the Deep State to get rid or impeach president Trump. Mueller was hired as a an inferior officer by Rod Rosenstein, the acting DOJ at that time. However, Mueller went rogue and acted as a Principal Officer, with his greed of unlimited powers, with no one to report to. All his actions went beyond the scope of his authority. He acted as a Principal Officer, and summoned so many of the people that came across President Trump's life and campaign events, and even went beyond the period of his planned out p**********l ambition.

President Trump did not suspend Mueller because the radical DEMS and MSM are all lined up to accuse him of cover-up and preventing the investigation. Confident that president Trump did not have collusion with Russians, he allowed the investigation to complete its course. No collusion was found at the end.

DOJ Jeff Session when appointed, recused himself, and he was useless in that position, spending taxpayers' valuable time and money. Mueller was never held accountable for the abuses he did to president Trump. His actions as Principal Officers rendered all his decisions "null and void".

How to distinguish an Inferior Officer vs a Principal Officer? There are defined responsibilities, authorities, and appointing powers between the two. Mueller acted into the category of a Principal Officer.

The 81 subpoenas that Mueller did was not even part of his authority to investigate if he was an inferior officer. All his actions had carried the principal power. That must only be delegated to a Principal Officer appointed by the president, and must be confirmed by the Senate. That was why Mueller also violated the Art. 2 of the p**********l power.

This sophisticated case must be revisited, and all Mueller's decisions to be rendered null and void. Mueller's illegal investigation cost us taxpayers more than $25 million.

http://fortune.com/2018/12/14/mueller-investigation-cost-tax-c***ts/
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Deputy AG is a Superior office and appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate...in this case appointed by Donald J Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate. That being the case DJT would have to be complicit in the Deep State and working for his own downfall for your theory to be true!

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Mar 12, 2019 07:49:48   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, Mark Levin has never, not once, stated, suggested or implied that the president or anyone else is above the law. Levin's criticisms of some of president Trump's policies are just as powerful and thoroughly researched as are his praises for much of what the president has done.

The POTUS has the constitutional and legal authority as the Chief Executive to hire and fire any subordinate officer working in the Executive Branch. So, why do you think president Trump has not fired Mueller and ended this investigation? You say that for him to do so would prove his guilt. How so? By what legal standard is this an admission of guilt?
No, Mark Levin has never, not once, stated, sugges... (show quote)

Trump can't fire Mueller directly and since Sessions recused himself the only one who could fire Mueller would be Rosenstein. Now that Sessions is gone Barr CAN fire Mueller but, with the investigation thought to be close to the end it highly unlikely that Barr would do anything to interfere with its conclusion. Like it or not--you cons are stuck with the investigation which means it will be up to you to loudly proclaim that the investigation absolves your fearless leader no matter what the conclusion suggests...

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Mar 12, 2019 08:09:14   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, Mark Levin has never, not once, stated, suggested or implied that the president or anyone else is above the law. Levin's criticisms of some of president Trump's policies are just as powerful and thoroughly researched as are his praises for much of what the president has done.

The POTUS has the constitutional and legal authority as the Chief Executive to hire and fire any subordinate officer working in the Executive Branch. So, why do you think president Trump has not fired Mueller and ended this investigation? You say that for him to do so would prove his guilt. How so? By what legal standard is this an admission of guilt?
No, Mark Levin has never, not once, stated, sugges... (show quote)

What policies of Trump's has Levin criticized? The only time that I can find where Levin was against anything Trump proposed was during the primary and he supported Ted Cruz. Once Trump became president Levin seems to have fallen in line with Trump and right or wrong proclaims support for anything that comes out of DJT's mouth. Levin, as with all of you cons, is more concerned with achieving and maintaining power than anything else...

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Mar 12, 2019 11:38:22   #
Radiance3
 
PeterS wrote:
Deputy AG is a Superior office and appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate...in this case appointed by Donald J Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate. That being the case DJT would have to be complicit in the Deep State and working for his own downfall for your theory to be true!


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Wrong. Atty. General or Deputy Atty. General does not have the power to appoint a Principal Officer.

Peter S, you are trying to complicate the matter and subordinate a principal officer, in order to to justify your own terms.

Rosenstein could not appoint a Principal Officer.

A principal officer by the president and confirmed by the Senate could not appoint another Principal officer. You are violating Art. 2 of the p**********l powers in the constitution.

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to: Represent the United States in legal matters. Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.

Principal officer comes only from direct nomination of the president and approval by the Senate.
The Appointments Clause gives the executive branch and the President, not Congress, the power to appoint federal officials. The President has the power to appoint federal judges, ambassadors, and other "principal officers” of the United States, subject to Senate confirmation of such appointments.

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Mar 13, 2019 02:19:09   #
PeterS
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Wrong. Atty. General or Deputy Atty. General does not have the power to appoint a Principal Officer.

Peter S, you are trying to complicate the matter and subordinate a principal officer, in order to to justify your own terms.

Rosenstein could not appoint a Principal Officer.

A principal officer by the president and confirmed by the Senate could not appoint another Principal officer. You are violating Art. 2 of the p**********l powers in the constitution.

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to: Represent the United States in legal matters. Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.

Principal officer comes only from direct nomination of the president and approval by the Senate.
The Appointments Clause gives the executive branch and the President, not Congress, the power to appoint federal officials. The President has the power to appoint federal judges, ambassadors, and other "principal officers” of the United States, subject to Senate confirmation of such appointments.
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Mueller can be fired by the AG and Deputy AG but not by the president which makes him an inferior officer. Both the AG and Deputy AG are "Superior" officers which is why they are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate and both can be terminated by the president. No such confirmation is necessary with inferior officers...

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Mar 13, 2019 02:41:04   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
What policies of Trump's has Levin criticized? The only time that I can find where Levin was against anything Trump proposed was during the primary and he supported Ted Cruz. Once Trump became president Levin seems to have fallen in line with Trump and right or wrong proclaims support for anything that comes out of DJT's mouth. Levin, as with all of you cons, is more concerned with achieving and maintaining power than anything else...
Levin opposed a number of Trump's appointments to cabinet offices and heads of departments, Levin was all over Tillerson as a terrible appointment. Levin opposed the GOP tax cut, thought Trump could get a much better deal. Levin strongly opposes Trump's tariff policies, all except China. There are other issues for which Levin has criticized president Trump, but for the most part he wholeheartedly supports him, and, he didn't get there by simply "falling in line with Trump", he got there by judging what he does and has done.

Levin is an honest man with one helluva resume in the legal profession, both at the federal level and in private practice, he is a phenomenal scholar in American history, particularly our nation's founding. Levin likely knows more about the history of our founding and our constitution than all the people in congress combined.

That last statement of yours about "achieving and maintaining power" is absolute horses**t, projection at its finest.

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Mar 13, 2019 05:40:38   #
Radiance3
 
PeterS wrote:
Mueller can be fired by the AG and Deputy AG but not by the president which makes him an inferior officer. Both the AG and Deputy AG are "Superior" officers which is why they are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate and both can be terminated by the president. No such confirmation is necessary with inferior officers...


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Wrong! The DOJ Sec., or Deputy Atty. General, are both appointed by the president with Senate confirmation. They could not appoint a Principal Officer. That is the job of the president on Art. 2.

Rosenstein appointed Mueller as an Inferior Officer. But the problem was Mueller acted as a Principal Officer. He went beyond the scope of his authority. It was his greed and over reaching of power that Mueller had screwed up this whole thing. Mueller reported to nobody, and nobody was able to account for his responsibilities and non-compliance of authority.

Yes, Mueller could be fired by the Atty. General or by the Deputy Atty. General. Session was useless and recused himself. I regretted he was appointed. But the Deputy Rosenstein did not fire Mueller. This was a well-planned scheme by the left to destroy the president.

Now DOJ Barr could fire Mueller. The case is about to end without Russia Collusion. That is why waiting for the case to expire is the best decision to make. Then Mueller could be held accountable for non-compliance of his position, which made his efforts unconstitutional.

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Mar 13, 2019 20:35:17   #
PeterS
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Wrong! The DOJ Sec., or Deputy Atty. General, are both appointed by the president with Senate confirmation. They could not appoint a Principal Officer. That is the job of the president on Art. 2.

Rosenstein appointed Mueller as an Inferior Officer. But the problem was Mueller acted as a Principal Officer. He went beyond the scope of his authority. It was his greed and over reaching of power that Mueller had screwed up this whole thing. Mueller reported to nobody, and nobody was able to account for his responsibilities and non-compliance of authority.

Yes, Mueller could be fired by the Atty. General or by the Deputy Atty. General. Session was useless and recused himself. I regretted he was appointed. But the Deputy Rosenstein did not fire Mueller. This was a well-planned scheme by the left to destroy the president.

Now DOJ Barr could fire Mueller. The case is about to end without Russia Collusion. That is why waiting for the case to expire is the best decision to make. Then Mueller could be held accountable for non-compliance of his position, which made his efforts unconstitutional.
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If Barr can fire Mueller then by definition Mueller is an inferior officer--that is, he is accountable to someone else and how YOU think he behaved is irrelevant to the argument. Also, Rosenstein was appointed by Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate so if this was a well planned "scheme" by the left the argument you are making is that Trump was complicit in a conspiracy to take him down. Is that really what you want to argue or do you want to rethink your argument?

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Mar 13, 2019 21:03:38   #
Radiance3
 
PeterS wrote:
If Barr can fire Mueller then by definition Mueller is an inferior officer--that is, he is accountable to someone else and how YOU think he behaved is irrelevant to the argument. Also, Rosenstein was appointed by Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate so if this was a well planned "scheme" by the left the argument you are making is that Trump was complicit in a conspiracy to take him down. Is that really what you want to argue or do you want to rethink your argument?


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President Trump did not hire Rosenstein. It was the inept Jeff Session who hired him, when he recused from his duty as Chief Justice.

Rod J. Rosenstein was sworn in as the 37th Deputy Attorney General of the United States on April 26, 2017, by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Rosenstein could not hire a Principal Officer. He appointed Mueller in disguise as inferior officer, but acted as Principal Officer.

The whole system was a planned scheme. Considering that all members of the FBI who created all these schemes Lisa Page, McCabe, Bruce Ohr, and FBI's witch hunt against president Trump.
They h**ed that Comey was fired, they the FBI could not accept it. They launched a political c**p against president Trump.

What about the crimes of Hillary Clinton? She was exonerated by Comey, before completion of her investigation. Comey did not have the power to exonerate Clinton. All of them at the FBI violated the law. Their actions were all unconstitutional. They are all lawless.

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Mar 14, 2019 02:20:08   #
PeterS
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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President Trump did not hire Rosenstein. It was the inept Jeff Session who hired him, when he recused from his duty as Chief Justice.

Rod J. Rosenstein was sworn in as the 37th Deputy Attorney General of the United States on April 26, 2017, by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Rosenstein could not hire a Principal Officer. He appointed Mueller in disguise as inferior officer, but acted as Principal Officer.

The whole system was a planned scheme. Considering that all members of the FBI who created all these schemes Lisa Page, McCabe, Bruce Ohr, and FBI's witch hunt against president Trump.
They h**ed that Comey was fired, they the FBI could not accept it. They launched a political c**p against president Trump.

What about the crimes of Hillary Clinton? She was exonerated by Comey, before completion of her investigation. Comey did not have the power to exonerate Clinton. All of them at the FBI violated the law. Their actions were all unconstitutional. They are all lawless.
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The office of Deputy Attorney General is a Principle Office and therefore can only be filled by appointment from the president and consent of the Senate. The only way for Sessions to be able to appoint Rosenstein is if he were the president--an office he didn't run for nor was he elected. You keep putting power into the hands of individuals for who that power doesn't exist. Plus you still have a kink in your argument in that Trump appointed Sessions so even if your argument were true--which it isn't--than Trump would still have a hand in appointing those who, in your minds, are trying to dispose of him. That makes Trump complicit in his own downfall which is a silly position to argue--even for a conservative.

As for Hillary and Comey, there are two things that you are overlooking. 1) Lynch recused herself, largely at conservatives insistence, which is the reason Hillary's fate was left in his hands and 2) Comey dropped a major bombshell with just 10 days left in the e******n when he reopened the email case against Hillary. That's a strange thing for Comey to do when secretly working with someone to topple the innocent and wonderful Donald J Trump.

If they were lawless than Sessions and the DoJ would have moved against them and if not Sessions then Barr would be moving against them now. That you see no action taking place means that there is no case to be had and all your anger is just frustration with no place to go.

You should simply rejoice in having DOJ as your president and stop worrying about things that you can't change. Besides, in case you haven't noticed, Mueller isn't your biggest worry but the State of New York which just brought 16 indictments against Monafort and has a slew they can bring against Trump which means even if he is cleared by Mueller he still very likely will be going down...

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Mar 14, 2019 03:31:17   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
You keep putting power into the hands of individuals for who that power doesn't exist.
That's pretty much what Obama did with the DOJ and FBI (among many others), and that is pretty much what Rosenstein did when he appointed Mueller to head the investigation then washed his hands of it.

BTW: President Trump appointed Rod Rosenstein to the Dpty AG post, he was confirmed by the senate.

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