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Mar 4, 2019 12:13:48   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RickyDCUSMC wrote:
Ok for all you c*****e c****e crazies, I have a science college degree so I believe I understand a little more than most of you. Proven fact that thousands of years ago a large portion of the North American continent was under a glacier. Warm blooded species were very sparse. Over the centuries the glaciers melted and exposed the land mass. What man made practice caused that reduction in the ice? Proven scientific fact is there was a very low oxygen content and a high carbon dioxide content at that time. That was the natural balance of nature.

Now lets advance a few thousand years carbon dioxide is less than 15% and oxygen levels are much higher. Why, because vegetation had flourished and produced their byproduct OXYGEN. As humans flourish we start cutting down the rain forests, slash and burn the natural vegetation and replace it with the vegetation humanity wants or eliminate it completely with the concrete jungle. Now man wants to suddenly eliminate the use of f****l f**ls in the stupid belief man and man alone can quickly alter nature. WRONG!!!

As the Carbon Dioxide (Co2) levels increase "again" as they did long ago, natures w*****r p*****ns are conforming to this to achieve "balance" of the planet. Humans like all mammals need oxygen to survive and vegetation needs Co2 to survive. As much as we believe we can effectively alter the earth's climate we cannot.

As I have told people many times, "we are 10% of 30% of 100% of planet earth". What I mean by this is we occupy 10% of the total land mass of the planet, the total land mass of earth is 30% the other 70% is water. Our minor disruption in the natural balance of earth is just that minor and nature WILL adjust and adapt to maintain natural balance.

In the 1940s there were screams and panic about c*****e c****e and we (humans) would all be dead in 20 years if we didn't change. In the 1970s if we don't do something we are all going to drown because water will rise. In 1989 if we don't change the planet will catch fire and burn by the year 2000. Then the inconvenient t***h comes out stating if we don't change we will die by 2016. Oops we are all still here!!!

Now AOC says if we don't completely change in ten years at a cost that is unrealistic and unachievable, we will all be dead in 12 years. Oh but wait the U.S. pollutes far less that other countries, but other countries don't have to comply with this stupidity! Mankind altering climate is all proven and debunked junk scientific BS and liberal panicking in an effort to get control of you and most importantly your MONEY.

In twelve years if this site is still here, I will be in my late 70s and laughing the same as I am today at all you c*****e c****e crazies! Man kind cannot sufficiently alter climate and cannot at all alter physics.
Ok for all you c*****e c****e crazies, I have a sc... (show quote)


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I'll bet I've asked at least a dozen times here how come the last ice age ended a day or two before the invention of the internal combustion engine, and never gotten an answer.

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Mar 4, 2019 12:48:41   #
Liberty Tree
 
RickyDCUSMC wrote:
Ok for all you c*****e c****e crazies, I have a science college degree so I believe I understand a little more than most of you. Proven fact that thousands of years ago a large portion of the North American continent was under a glacier. Warm blooded species were very sparse. Over the centuries the glaciers melted and exposed the land mass. What man made practice caused that reduction in the ice? Proven scientific fact is there was a very low oxygen content and a high carbon dioxide content at that time. That was the natural balance of nature.

Now lets advance a few thousand years carbon dioxide is less than 15% and oxygen levels are much higher. Why, because vegetation had flourished and produced their byproduct OXYGEN. As humans flourish we start cutting down the rain forests, slash and burn the natural vegetation and replace it with the vegetation humanity wants or eliminate it completely with the concrete jungle. Now man wants to suddenly eliminate the use of f****l f**ls in the stupid belief man and man alone can quickly alter nature. WRONG!!!

As the Carbon Dioxide (Co2) levels increase "again" as they did long ago, natures w*****r p*****ns are conforming to this to achieve "balance" of the planet. Humans like all mammals need oxygen to survive and vegetation needs Co2 to survive. As much as we believe we can effectively alter the earth's climate we cannot.

As I have told people many times, "we are 10% of 30% of 100% of planet earth". What I mean by this is we occupy 10% of the total land mass of the planet, the total land mass of earth is 30% the other 70% is water. Our minor disruption in the natural balance of earth is just that minor and nature WILL adjust and adapt to maintain natural balance.

In the 1940s there were screams and panic about c*****e c****e and we (humans) would all be dead in 20 years if we didn't change. In the 1970s if we don't do something we are all going to drown because water will rise. In 1989 if we don't change the planet will catch fire and burn by the year 2000. Then the inconvenient t***h comes out stating if we don't change we will die by 2016. Oops we are all still here!!!

Now AOC says if we don't completely change in ten years at a cost that is unrealistic and unachievable, we will all be dead in 12 years. Oh but wait the U.S. pollutes far less that other countries, but other countries don't have to comply with this stupidity! Mankind altering climate is all proven and debunked junk scientific BS and liberal panicking in an effort to get control of you and most importantly your MONEY.

In twelve years if this site is still here, I will be in my late 70s and laughing the same as I am today at all you c*****e c****e crazies! Man kind cannot sufficiently alter climate and cannot at all alter physics.
Ok for all you c*****e c****e crazies, I have a sc... (show quote)


Great post!

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Mar 4, 2019 12:52:04   #
Iliamna1
 
My sister is married to a physicist who did years of weather and pollution studies (private, corporate and governmental) not only in the United States, but overseas, including Red China. He is a fascinating person to talk to. There absolutely IS something going on environmentally. However, something is always going on. The question really is how much is man-made. One good belch from a volcano can spew more pollution into the atmosphere than all the man-made pollution of centuries. Also, sunspots affect our temperatures and we're entering an approximately 7 year cycle with reduced sunspots. This can cause g****l c*****g. There have been multiple glacier ages lasting tens of thousands of year, only to re-cycle. There have also been world-wide heating cycles with unimaginable droughts. The glaciers and northern ice cap are receding, but the polar bear numbers have increased despite this over the last 50 years. What I do know is that the science is not 'fixed' and no one can with any accuracy predict what's going to happen over the next 12, 100, or 1000 years, except change is guaranteed. AOC is worried about farting cows. Anything that eats produces gas. Heck, they can't even predict a 7 day forecast with any reliability.

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Mar 4, 2019 13:14:39   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
My sister is married to a physicist who did years of weather and pollution studies (private, corporate and governmental) not only in the United States, but overseas, including Red China. He is a fascinating person to talk to. There absolutely IS something going on environmentally. However, something is always going on. The question really is how much is man-made. One good belch from a volcano can spew more pollution into the atmosphere than all the man-made pollution of centuries. Also, sunspots affect our temperatures and we're entering an approximately 7 year cycle with reduced sunspots. This can cause g****l c*****g. There have been multiple glacier ages lasting tens of thousands of year, only to re-cycle. There have also been world-wide heating cycles with unimaginable droughts. The glaciers and northern ice cap are receding, but the polar bear numbers have increased despite this over the last 50 years. What I do know is that the science is not 'fixed' and no one can with any accuracy predict what's going to happen over the next 12, 100, or 1000 years, except change is guaranteed. AOC is worried about farting cows. Anything that eats produces gas. Heck, they can't even predict a 7 day forecast with any reliability.
My sister is married to a physicist who did years ... (show quote)


7 day? Around here, they couldn't even get TODAY right.
They predicted slick, icy conditions North of here, and clearing off here. Well, I received a text from one of our drivers about 20 minutes ago saying that our weather people are r****ds. He said it's clear where he's going. I told him it's snowing here. LOL! It is snowing here!

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Mar 4, 2019 13:43:16   #
Iliamna1
 
And I forgot to mention the cycles of 'El Nino' and 'La Nina.' Those waters in the eastern Pacific have a lot of underwater volcanoes. NO ONE knows how many there are and usually those eruptions go undetected. And no one knows WHEN they're erupting or can predict when or if they're going to pop off. There are many deep undersea volcanoes in the infamous Pacific 'Ring of Fire.' The miracle to me is that we're still here.

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Mar 4, 2019 14:10:23   #
Kazudy
 
Richard94611 wrote:
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climate news: A new scientific study suggests that we have been vastly underestimating the climate feedback loop caused by reduced cloud cover in a warming world. Clouds, being reflective, reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the planet; as temperatures and carbon dioxide increase, cloud cover decreases.

What is significant about the new research findings is that they suggest a "tipping point" beyond which things become very dire, and very fast—and that we are very close to that tipping point right now.

The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million — a level that f****l f**l burning could push us past in about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.
Within a century, then, there may be an additional 14 degrees Fahrenheit of warming that previous models haven't accounted for. And 14 degrees of warming, within a century, is a level of calamity far beyond any plausible mitigation attempts. Sea level rise would happen far more rapidly; croplands worldwide would turn unviable; every ecosystem on the planet would be thrown into chaos. The resulting loss of snowpacks, permafrost, glaciers, and Antarctic ice would each compound the effects. All told, it points to precisely the sort of "feedback loop" that climate scientists have long feared, a measure of carbon concentration beyond which the climate does not change gradually, but as if a switch were flipped.

Geological records have long suggested that the Earth's climate has a history of changes far more extreme than our past models could account for. These findings are another attempt to understand why—and to find the exact numbers beyond which things turn from catastrophic to apocalyptic.

That is the news as of this Monday, Feb. 25. Also in the news, however, is that Trump's team of criminals and crackpots is prepared to announce a new "ad hoc" working group dev**ed exclusively to undermining the credibility of the government's own National Climate Assessment.

The administration intends to fill the group with longstanding climate skeptics, including those with financial ties to the f****l f**l industry. It is the brainchild of the astonishingly loony ultra-skeptic William Happer, now installed as a senior director in Trump's National Security Council, a man who has compared efforts to limit carbon emissions to the Holocaust.

And the panel is to be set up as an "ad hoc" group, not a formal committee, to evade federal t***sparency rules requiring public meetings and public records. This is a change from Happer's original plan, and no doubt one that was required by the sketchiness of those being recruited for the task.

This week's news, then, is already doubly dire. We have just learned there is credible reason to think the sort of apocalyptic c*****e c****e that scientists had seen in the geological records is not hundreds of years away, but on our very doorstep. And we have learned that the formal conservative, Republican, Trumpian response to government's own climate warnings will be the creation of a new group of f****l f**l-tied skeptics who will attempt to rebut the scientific evidence with, one presumes, the usual links to p***********e and YouTube videos.

Leaders of the climate movement have long warned that we cannot give in to despair—that no matter how long we wait to combat c*****e c****e, it is still far preferable to abandoning hope that such things can even be mustered. But it is difficult to take that advice to heart, watching the ever-more-extraordinary efforts by the powerful to shove us all off the cliff together.
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climat... (show quote)

C*****e c****e is a H**X!!!!! Get over it. Funding for the study STOPS when it's proven SO they fudge the numbers. They have been caught fudging the numbers pay attention. It's part of the g*******t conspiracy for a one world government.

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Mar 4, 2019 14:27:55   #
Auntie Lulu
 
byronglimish wrote:
So your emotions make you feel that a NWO is best for our future generations!


Bravo! I am distressed over so many folks who do not see this c*****e c****e h**x for what it is . . . a way to control human beings. Yet, we see so many of the elite, who have carbon footprints that are enormous when compared to those of us who are mere mortals. When the elite starts showing real concern by the way they live their lives . . . then perhaps I will listen to their message. Until then, I consider it to be Hog Wash!

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Mar 4, 2019 14:30:46   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Auntie Lulu wrote:
Bravo! I am distressed over so many folks who do not see this c*****e c****e h**x for what it is . . . a way to control human beings. Yet, we see so many of the elite, who have carbon footprints that are enormous when compared to those of us who are mere mortals. When the elite starts showing real concern by the way they live their lives . . . then perhaps I will listen to their message. Until then, I consider it to be Hog Wash!



Indeed Auntie! I'm with you.

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Mar 4, 2019 14:41:42   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Auntie Lulu wrote:
Bravo! I am distressed over so many folks who do not see this c*****e c****e h**x for what it is . . . a way to control human beings. Yet, we see so many of the elite, who have carbon footprints that are enormous when compared to those of us who are mere mortals. When the elite starts showing real concern by the way they live their lives . . . then perhaps I will listen to their message. Until then, I consider it to be Hog Wash!


Ma'am, with all due respect....While I appreciate your stance on the elites making this stuff up, I have an issue with being in the mortal crowd.
I consider myself to be a better man, a better human being than any of the immortal crowd.
I am not a mere mortal. I am a Texan!!

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Mar 4, 2019 14:49:44   #
Iliamna1
 
What part of Texas are you from? I lived in Texas from 1068 until 2017, mostly ini Georgetown.

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Mar 4, 2019 14:51:07   #
Iliamna1
 
Whups ! ! ! I meant 1968. i'm old, but not quite that ancient.

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Mar 4, 2019 15:07:09   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
What part of Texas are you from? I lived in Texas from 1068 until 2017, mostly ini Georgetown.


If you use quote reply, we can see who you are responding to. Who are you responding to?

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Mar 4, 2019 15:58:21   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Richard94611 wrote:
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climate news: A new scientific study suggests that we have been vastly underestimating the climate feedback loop caused by reduced cloud cover in a warming world. Clouds, being reflective, reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the planet; as temperatures and carbon dioxide increase, cloud cover decreases.

What is significant about the new research findings is that they suggest a "tipping point" beyond which things become very dire, and very fast—and that we are very close to that tipping point right now.

The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million — a level that f****l f**l burning could push us past in about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.
Within a century, then, there may be an additional 14 degrees Fahrenheit of warming that previous models haven't accounted for. And 14 degrees of warming, within a century, is a level of calamity far beyond any plausible mitigation attempts. Sea level rise would happen far more rapidly; croplands worldwide would turn unviable; every ecosystem on the planet would be thrown into chaos. The resulting loss of snowpacks, permafrost, glaciers, and Antarctic ice would each compound the effects. All told, it points to precisely the sort of "feedback loop" that climate scientists have long feared, a measure of carbon concentration beyond which the climate does not change gradually, but as if a switch were flipped.

Geological records have long suggested that the Earth's climate has a history of changes far more extreme than our past models could account for. These findings are another attempt to understand why—and to find the exact numbers beyond which things turn from catastrophic to apocalyptic.

That is the news as of this Monday, Feb. 25. Also in the news, however, is that Trump's team of criminals and crackpots is prepared to announce a new "ad hoc" working group dev**ed exclusively to undermining the credibility of the government's own National Climate Assessment.

The administration intends to fill the group with longstanding climate skeptics, including those with financial ties to the f****l f**l industry. It is the brainchild of the astonishingly loony ultra-skeptic William Happer, now installed as a senior director in Trump's National Security Council, a man who has compared efforts to limit carbon emissions to the Holocaust.

And the panel is to be set up as an "ad hoc" group, not a formal committee, to evade federal t***sparency rules requiring public meetings and public records. This is a change from Happer's original plan, and no doubt one that was required by the sketchiness of those being recruited for the task.

This week's news, then, is already doubly dire. We have just learned there is credible reason to think the sort of apocalyptic c*****e c****e that scientists had seen in the geological records is not hundreds of years away, but on our very doorstep. And we have learned that the formal conservative, Republican, Trumpian response to government's own climate warnings will be the creation of a new group of f****l f**l-tied skeptics who will attempt to rebut the scientific evidence with, one presumes, the usual links to p***********e and YouTube videos.

Leaders of the climate movement have long warned that we cannot give in to despair—that no matter how long we wait to combat c*****e c****e, it is still far preferable to abandoning hope that such things can even be mustered. But it is difficult to take that advice to heart, watching the ever-more-extraordinary efforts by the powerful to shove us all off the cliff together.
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climat... (show quote)


We have already come a long way in cleaning up our use of f****l f**ls. China has not. China has 407,935 more SQ kilometers than the US. Russia is not doing so great on emissions either.
In 1645 the second round of the little ice age began. Here is an excerpt from Environmental History Resources. " During this coldest phase of the Little Ice Age there are indications that average winter temperatures in Europe and North America were as much as 2°C lower than at present." In Fahrenheit, that's 35.6 degrees. That was like flipping the switch that you mentioned. What caused that one? There are speculations but no definite proof.

I'm neither convinced of or in denial of c*****e c****e being the fault of mankind. Deniers may have connections to the f****l f**l industry, but on the other side of the aisle, the promoters of c*****e c****e are also making money off of their predictions.
My question is, what if it's NOT mans fault? Will that change anything? I don't believe so.

And what if it IS mans fault? I don't see any way for the countries of the earth to reduce emissions enough to stem wh**ever is coming, wh**ever is responsible for the change. The rest of the world won't comply and we can't do enough on our own, but if enough countries come together to form a big coalition, will it be big enough to make China or ANY of the third world industrializing nations stop their polluting? It brings up AOC's Green New Deal under which our or any society cannot maintain life in a conceivable state. People won't accept it. So, you give power to the few over the masses to MAKE them accept it, and long story short...corruption! The few living sumptuously while the masses fend poorly. C*****e c****e or not, you can't take the greed or evil heart out of man.

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Mar 4, 2019 16:12:19   #
Iliamna1
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Whups ! ! ! I meant 1968. i'm old, but not quite that ancient.


Archie Bunker, who said he's not mortal because he's a Texan.

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Mar 4, 2019 17:26:26   #
son of witless
 
Richard94611 wrote:
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climate news: A new scientific study suggests that we have been vastly underestimating the climate feedback loop caused by reduced cloud cover in a warming world. Clouds, being reflective, reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the planet; as temperatures and carbon dioxide increase, cloud cover decreases.

What is significant about the new research findings is that they suggest a "tipping point" beyond which things become very dire, and very fast—and that we are very close to that tipping point right now.

The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per million — a level that f****l f**l burning could push us past in about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.
Within a century, then, there may be an additional 14 degrees Fahrenheit of warming that previous models haven't accounted for. And 14 degrees of warming, within a century, is a level of calamity far beyond any plausible mitigation attempts. Sea level rise would happen far more rapidly; croplands worldwide would turn unviable; every ecosystem on the planet would be thrown into chaos. The resulting loss of snowpacks, permafrost, glaciers, and Antarctic ice would each compound the effects. All told, it points to precisely the sort of "feedback loop" that climate scientists have long feared, a measure of carbon concentration beyond which the climate does not change gradually, but as if a switch were flipped.

Geological records have long suggested that the Earth's climate has a history of changes far more extreme than our past models could account for. These findings are another attempt to understand why—and to find the exact numbers beyond which things turn from catastrophic to apocalyptic.

That is the news as of this Monday, Feb. 25. Also in the news, however, is that Trump's team of criminals and crackpots is prepared to announce a new "ad hoc" working group dev**ed exclusively to undermining the credibility of the government's own National Climate Assessment.

The administration intends to fill the group with longstanding climate skeptics, including those with financial ties to the f****l f**l industry. It is the brainchild of the astonishingly loony ultra-skeptic William Happer, now installed as a senior director in Trump's National Security Council, a man who has compared efforts to limit carbon emissions to the Holocaust.

And the panel is to be set up as an "ad hoc" group, not a formal committee, to evade federal t***sparency rules requiring public meetings and public records. This is a change from Happer's original plan, and no doubt one that was required by the sketchiness of those being recruited for the task.

This week's news, then, is already doubly dire. We have just learned there is credible reason to think the sort of apocalyptic c*****e c****e that scientists had seen in the geological records is not hundreds of years away, but on our very doorstep. And we have learned that the formal conservative, Republican, Trumpian response to government's own climate warnings will be the creation of a new group of f****l f**l-tied skeptics who will attempt to rebut the scientific evidence with, one presumes, the usual links to p***********e and YouTube videos.

Leaders of the climate movement have long warned that we cannot give in to despair—that no matter how long we wait to combat c*****e c****e, it is still far preferable to abandoning hope that such things can even be mustered. But it is difficult to take that advice to heart, watching the ever-more-extraordinary efforts by the powerful to shove us all off the cliff together.
America woke up on Monday to new, and dire, climat... (show quote)


The latest computer model by C*****e C****e expert Professor Poulard Little suggests that yes indeed the sky is falling.

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